RNC Opens with Prayer to Ancient Demon

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

How is prayer to the god of one religion different from a prayer to the god of your religion?

And, no, you don't get to say yours "is true".

A true Conservative or Liberal Christian would never pray to what they consider a fake God.They should be nice to all people. But not pray to what they think is false God's .

 

[rambot]

What do you think nonchristians and people who worship Waheguru feel when they are forced to pray to God?


Living in a pluralistic society means you gotta learn to get along with everyone not force yourself or beliefs on others because you don't like it when it happens to you.

This is empathy.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Well, this is a wake up call to my fellow Republican friends, that no party is Christian.

We actually know this.

Political parties represent their constituents' - their voters' - wishes when making laws.

We have a framework for our government and our laws that comes from our Christian faith, it's an outline for our Christian worldview, but it doesn't represent God, God stands above and outside of that framework and is the Entity which gives us our inalienable rights which the government cannot infringe upon.

But over many lifetimes we have a constituency that wants to live in accordance with our values as outlined in our constitution as our friends and neighbors, but doesn't always share our faith.

Because the government is not there representing God but rather the constituents themselves, when there are benedictions given the attempt has always been made to be inclusive of the various beliefs held by the voters.

I do block my ears and don't listen to benedictions given by those of other faiths because it does bother me, it's not something I'm used to and when I don't know what people are saying I don't know if they are cursing me.

But I do know that making sure our countries invited guests feel like they are a welcome part of our country is important, and both sides of the aisle have tried to make everyone feel represented.... Even in the benedictions.

In the end, I know the God I worship is the only God. Any other spiritual entity has no power before my God so I and my country are perfectly safe even if they are cursing me.... That's really all I need to know.

Something Christians can all do when people of other faiths pray, is that we pray to our God at the same time against the forces of darkness and ignorance... It's quite beneficial if you're worried about curses and the like.

 

[AlexB23]

What do you think nonchristians and people who worship Waheguru feel when they are forced to pray to God?


Living in a pluralistic society means you gotta learn to get along with everyone not force yourself or beliefs on others because you don't like it when it happens to you.

This is empathy.

I see your point. It would be uncomfortable if someone forced me to pray to another god. However, it feels uncomfortable for one to hear someone to go on live TV and pray to another god as well. So, it is best that the parties do not open with any prayer, to avoid alienating any religion.

 

[AlexB23]

We actually know this.

Political parties represent their constituents' - their voters' - wishes when making laws.

We have a framework for our government and our laws that comes from our Christian faith, it's an outline for our Christian worldview, but it doesn't represent God, God stands above and outside of that framework and is the Entity which gives us our inalienable rights which the government cannot infringe upon.

But over many lifetimes we have a constituency that wants to live in accordance with our values as outlined in our constitution as our friends and neighbors, but doesn't always share our faith.

Because the government is not there representing God but rather the constituents themselves, when there are benedictions given the attempt has always been made to be inclusive of the various beliefs held by the voters.

I do block my ears and don't listen to benedictions given by those of other faiths because it does bother me, it's not something I'm used to and when I don't know what people are saying I don't know if they are cursing me.

But I do know that making sure our countries invited guests feel like they are a welcome part of our country is important, and both sides of the aisle have tried to make everyone feel represented.... Even in the benedictions.

In the end, I know the God I worship is the only God. Any other spiritual entity has no power before my God so I and my country are perfectly safe even if they are cursing me.... That's really all I need to know.

Something Christians can all do when people of other faiths pray, is that we pray to our God at the same time against the forces of darkness and ignorance... It's quite beneficial if you're worried about curses and the like.

Yeah, we do know this. We should be very careful with opening prayers. Prayers from other religions bother me, and it makes me feel bad for our world. But yes, YHWH is the one true God. The opening part of the RNC could have been a speech about uniting religions instead of a prayer.

 

[rambot]

I see your point. It would be uncomfortable if someone forced me to pray to another god. However, it feels uncomfortable for one to hear someone to go on live TV and pray to another god as well. So, it is best that the parties do not open with any prayer, to avoid alienating any religion.

That is one solution.

Personal I like the idea of always opening with differing religious communities traditions. I can see what they do and understanfnrhrm a bit more. It's certainly nor going to make me become bhai or whatever. It's just a curiosity.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Yeah, we do know this. We should be very careful with opening prayers. Prayers from other religions bother me, and it makes me feel bad for our world. But yes, YHWH is the one true God. The opening part of the RNC could have been a speech about uniting religions instead of a prayer.

"YHWH is the one true God", is your belief. Not everyone shares it.

It seems to me that in governmental situation we should stick with the language of our founding documents.

The first mention of God occurs in the very first sentence of the declaration which refers to the source of power being the “Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God.” The beginning of this powerful document openly acknowledges from Whom power comes. The founders recognized that they had not created the power to establish a nation, but rather that power was given to them from God.

Second, God is referred to as the Creator Who endows humans with unalienable rights. In other words, God is the granter of human rights and the Creator of natural law. A year before the Declaration of Independence Alexander Hamilton wrote, “The sacred rights of mankind are not to be rummaged for, among old parchments, or musty records. They are written, as with a sun beam, in the whole volume of human nature, by the hand of the divinity itself; and can never be erased or obscured by mortal power.”

Third, God is called the “Supreme Judge of the world.” Our founding fathers recognized that justice is God’s idea, not man’s. He judges the actions of all people and ensures that ultimately true justice will prevail.

Fourth, the final sentence of the declaration says, “with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.” The founders entrusted themselves to God, the “divine Providence,” Who they believed had protected them and would continue to do so.

There is no mention of God in the constitution, only religion.

All but four state constitutions – those in Colorado, Iowa, Hawaii and Washington – use the word “God” at least once. The constitutions in Colorado, Iowa and Washington refer to a “Supreme Being” or “Supreme Ruler of the Universe,” while Hawaii’s constitution makes reference to the divine only in its preamble, which states that the people of Hawaii are “grateful for Divine Guidance.”


It seems to me that rather than trying to honor and recognize all gods and religions we should stick simply with "Creator" or "Supreme Judge". And since "God" is on our currency, that also. So for government invocations something like "God, our creator & Judge" seems to me most appropriate.

 

[dzheremi]

understanfnrhrm

Woah.

Get off the keyboard, rambot's cat!

 

[Hans Blaster]

I see your point. It would be uncomfortable if someone forced me to pray to another god. However, it feels uncomfortable for one to hear someone to go on live TV and pray to another god as well. So, it is best that the parties do not open with any prayer, to avoid alienating any religion.

Now let's extend this thought to sessions of Congress, school board meetings, and municipal councils.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Woah.

Get off the keyboard, rambot's cat!

It made more sense than some posts I've seen here.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Hello folks. Today's news is very dark, but is important for Christians and atheists alike, and goes to show how both parties have corruption. The Republican National Convention had an opening prayer by Dhillon to an ancient entity, a false god named Waheguru today on July 17, 2024. Prayers for those who are misled by the world. Makes me wanna vote for the American Solidarity party, a centrist, Christian party which is pro-life and pro-environment, and it does not force religion on others. For reference, I was never a Republican, and have moved closer to the center from the left over the past few years, and especially over the past few months.

Source:

US: Indian-American lawyer Harmeet Dhillon offers 'Ardas' at Republican event in Trump's presence | WATCH

Dhillon, the former vice chairwoman of the California Republican Party, lauded Trump's values of 'Nirbhaya' (fearlessness) and the absence of hate and thanked God for protecting him. Trump was targeted in an assassination bid during a Pennsylvania rally on Saturday.

www.indiatvnews.com

Opening "prayer" to ancient demon: "Dear Waheguru, our one true God, we thank you for creating America as a unique haven on this Earth, where all people are free to worship according to their faith. We seek your blessings and guidance for our beloved country. Please bless our people with wisdom as they vote for the upcoming election and please bless with humility, honesty, skill and integrity all those who conduct the election".

Info about Waheguru: Beliefs about God - Waheguru (God) and authority - Edexcel - GCSE Religious Studies Revision - Edexcel - BBC Bitesize

American Solidarity party: American Solidarity Party - Wikipedia

I don't know why, if a Christian is not actively participating in such a prayer, it should be any issue. Let those who agree with her participate; let those who don't go about their business.

 

[rambot]

Woah.

Get off the keyboard, rambot's cat!

That's impressive.

 

[Hans Blaster]

That's impressive.

Many of us have had a co-typist.

 

[adrianmonk]

I see your point. It would be uncomfortable if someone forced me to pray to another god. However, it feels uncomfortable for one to hear someone to go on live TV and pray to another god as well. So, it is best that the parties do not open with any prayer, to avoid alienating any religion.

Maybe this is a first step to understanding why people are opposed to prayer in schools or legislating the ten commandments to be displayed on public structures.

I understand this, and many Sikh folks are nice.

But you started this thread by declaring they worship demons (which if I understand your religion, are agents of evil).

 

[eleos1954]

Hello folks. Today's news is very dark, but is important for Christians and atheists alike, and goes to show how both parties have corruption. The Republican National Convention had an opening prayer by Dhillon to an ancient entity, a false god named Waheguru today on July 17, 2024. Prayers for those who are misled by the world. Makes me wanna vote for the American Solidarity party, a centrist, Christian party which is pro-life and pro-environment, and it does not force religion on others. For reference, I was never a Republican, and have moved closer to the center from the left over the past few years, and especially over the past few months.

Source:

US: Indian-American lawyer Harmeet Dhillon offers 'Ardas' at Republican event in Trump's presence | WATCH

Dhillon, the former vice chairwoman of the California Republican Party, lauded Trump's values of 'Nirbhaya' (fearlessness) and the absence of hate and thanked God for protecting him. Trump was targeted in an assassination bid during a Pennsylvania rally on Saturday.

www.indiatvnews.com

Opening "prayer" to ancient demon: "Dear Waheguru, our one true God, we thank you for creating America as a unique haven on this Earth, where all people are free to worship according to their faith. We seek your blessings and guidance for our beloved country. Please bless our people with wisdom as they vote for the upcoming election and please bless with humility, honesty, skill and integrity all those who conduct the election".

Info about Waheguru: Beliefs about God - Waheguru (God) and authority - Edexcel - GCSE Religious Studies Revision - Edexcel - BBC Bitesize

American Solidarity party: American Solidarity Party - Wikipedia

It is supposed to be our country's constitution that guides our nation not any one god. That choice is left up to the individual .... this was an example of the right to freedom of religion ... according to our constitution ... which is a good thing ... it's not representative of anything else ... nor does it mean Republicans are endorsing this belief.

 

[RileyG]

It is supposed to be our country's constitution that guides our nation not any one god. That choice is left up to the individual .... this was an example of the right to freedom of religion ... according to our constitution ... which is a good thing ... it's not representative of anything else ... nor does it mean Republicans are endorsing this belief.

I agree and that’s fair.

 

[wing2000]

Just another reason not to have *any* prayer offered a political convention.

 

[wing2000]

RNC makes tiny effort to make tent bigger.

Onlookers: Demons!

I wasn't going to mention the gross comments by rightwing racists like Nick Fuentes, but... I guess now I am. Can't be worse than demonic invocations.

MAGA Makes Racist Attacks Against JD Vance's Wife​

"Who is this guy, really?" Fuentes said on his podcast. "Do we really expect that the guy who has an Indian(*) wife and named their kid Vivek is going to support white identity?"

Vincent James Foxx, who was present at the January 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, wrote on X: "JD Vance gets tapped as VP and immediately there's a Hindu(**) prayer at the RNC."

(*) Usha Vance is an American born to Indian immigrants
(**) Dhillon (and her prayer) is Sikh

That's sad....

I watched a portion of her speech introducing her husband. No one applauded when she mentioned her background....and what I would characterize as polite applause when she spoke of her matrimony as testament to this great country.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Hello folks. Today's news is very dark, but is important for Christians and atheists alike, and goes to show how both parties have corruption. The Republican National Convention had an opening prayer by Dhillon to an ancient entity, a false god named Waheguru today on July 17, 2024. Prayers for those who are misled by the world. Makes me wanna vote for the American Solidarity party, a centrist, Christian party which is pro-life and pro-environment, and it does not force religion on others. For reference, I was never a Republican, and have moved closer to the center from the left over the past few years, and especially over the past few months.

Source:

US: Indian-American lawyer Harmeet Dhillon offers 'Ardas' at Republican event in Trump's presence | WATCH

Dhillon, the former vice chairwoman of the California Republican Party, lauded Trump's values of 'Nirbhaya' (fearlessness) and the absence of hate and thanked God for protecting him. Trump was targeted in an assassination bid during a Pennsylvania rally on Saturday.

www.indiatvnews.com

Opening "prayer" to ancient demon: "Dear Waheguru, our one true God, we thank you for creating America as a unique haven on this Earth, where all people are free to worship according to their faith. We seek your blessings and guidance for our beloved country. Please bless our people with wisdom as they vote for the upcoming election and please bless with humility, honesty, skill and integrity all those who conduct the election".

Info about Waheguru: Beliefs about God - Waheguru (God) and authority - Edexcel - GCSE Religious Studies Revision - Edexcel - BBC Bitesize

American Solidarity party: American Solidarity Party - Wikipedia

I followed through with your article, and then looking up the term itself: This is what that word means, according to several sources:

"Waheguru (Punjabi: ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ, romanized: vāhigurū[note 1], pronunciation: [ʋaːɦɪɡuɾuː], literally meaning "Wow Guru",[1] figuratively translated to mean "Wonderful God" or "Wonderful Lord"[2][3]) is a term used in Sikhism to refer to God as described in Guru Granth Sahib.[4][5][6][7] It is the most common term to refer to God in modern Sikhism."

The prayer was this, according to this article:

"Dear Waheguru, our one true God, we thank you for creating America as a unique haven on this Earth, where all people are free to worship according to their faith. We seek your blessings and guidance for our beloved country. Please bless our people with wisdom as they vote for the upcoming election and please bless with humility, honesty, skill and integrity all those who conduct the election," she said after the prayer."

If the term means Wonderful God or Wonderful Lord, that's ok.

 

[Pommer]

Well, this is a wake up call to my fellow Republican friends, that no party is Christian. Many folks associate the Republicans for having a Christian moral ground, when in reality, no party has a Christian moral ground.

And hey, whatever works for you. If one is Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh or Mormon, these folks have every right to believe in their own religion, as long as it is not forced onto us. For myself, I believe Jesus is the one true God. In our prayers as Christians (well as a Catholic), we pray in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the three parts of the Trinity. Jesus died for our sins as stated in John 3:16. None of these other gods died for our sins, nor have forgiveness on the level that Jesus does.

And yet we haven’t had threads created about the opening prayers on other days of the convention...the difference being the prayer wasn’t going to the “correct god”.

Most of the time we cannot perceive our own hypocrisy, it has to be pointed out to us…that you’ve seemingly taken offense at this opening prayer alerts me to inform you that you might wanna do some introspection ?