RNC Opens with Prayer to Ancient Demon

[civilwarbuff]

To love my neighbors, and to spread the Gospel.

There you go......the rest of it is between that person and the Holy Spirit.....not you.

 

[AlexB23]

Yeah, I doubt hearing a single prayer as an aside at a political convention is going to cause somebody to convert.

Yeah, same here, but it just reminds me of End Times stuff, where people turn away from Christ.

 

[AlexB23]

There you go......the rest of it is between that person and the Holy Spirit.....not you.

True, but it is up to us to try and spread our faith, and tell others the Good News.

 

[civilwarbuff]

True, but it is up to us to try and spread our faith, and tell others the Good News.

And that is all....it is not to 'convert' anyone. That job description belongs to God.....not us......

 

[AlexB23]

And that is all....it is not to 'convert' anyone. That job description belongs to God.....not us......

Bro... Remember what Matthew 28 and Mark 16 said?

Christ said this:

Matthew 28:16-20 (NIV): "Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.'"

Mark 16:15 (NIV): "He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation."

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

This is a good a reminder to Christians to be less invested in an America which doesn't reflect them or their values.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Why is religion (of any sort) “allowed” to be part of a political party‘s ethos?

It's a free country.

Why are Christian prayers at a Party’s National Convention “okay”, but prayers to other deities frowned upon?

That's a better question.

 

[rambot]

This is a good a reminder to Christians to be less invested in an America which doesn't reflect them or their values.

Like when things don't go your way tou take the ball away and go home?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,

Disciple:
1 : one who accepts and assists in spreading the doctrines of another: such as Christianity :one of the twelve in the inner circle of Christ's followers according to the Gospel accounts
Definition of DISCIPLE
Nothing about converting anyone; only about spreading information/knowledge.......
The rest of that sentence and the next is covered.......

 

[civilwarbuff]

Why is religion (of any sort) “allowed” to be part of a political party‘s ethos?
Why are Christian prayers at a Party’s National Convention “okay”, but prayers to other deities frowned upon?

I have no doubt that there are a number of atheists in that crowd.....unless you think atheists can only be liberals?

 

[essentialsaltes]

I have no doubt that there are a number of atheists in that crowd.....

No doubt, but that has nothing to do with either of Pommer's questions.

 

[civilwarbuff]

No doubt, but that has nothing to do with either of Pommer's questions.

They don't have to be there if they don't like it. I have no doubt that there is a program printed beforehand that describes what occurs and when it occurs.....maybe even a very short description of what is to occur. If someone objects to something, they don't have to be there.

 

[AlexB23]

Disciple:
1 : one who accepts and assists in spreading the doctrines of another: such as Christianity :one of the twelve in the inner circle of Christ's followers according to the Gospel accounts
Definition of DISCIPLE
Nothing about converting anyone; only about spreading information/knowledge.......
The rest of that sentence and the next is covered.......

Yes, so we can spread the knowledge of Christianity to others, hoping that others may convert on their own volition.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Yes, so we can spread the knowledge of Christianity to others, hoping that others may convert on their own volition.

With the help and guidance of the Holy Spirit not simply on their 'own volition'......and don't think that means that other Christians simply turn their backs as if to say 'You are on your own'. We are all responsible to help those in search of God. And if you are in someplace where they don't do that....you are in the wrong place.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Like when things don't go your way tou take the ball away and go home?

Or rather you recognize the political reality and act accordingly. Christians don't intrinsically owe America their devotion, only a baseline political loyalty that is purely practical.

 

[AlexB23]

With the help and guidance of the Holy Spirit not simply on their 'own volition'......and don't think that means that other Christians simply turn their backs as if to say 'You are on your own'. We are all responsible to help those in search of God. And if you are in someplace where they don't do that....you are in the wrong place.

It is a combination of the two. We must be in the proper state of mind to accept Jesus.

 

[civilwarbuff]

We must be in the proper state of mind to accept Jesus.

So what is, IYO, the proper state of mind?

 

[AlexB23]

So what is, IYO, the proper state of mind?

I will get back to you on this, but the best state of mind is one that is open minded, and has heard the forgiveness part of the Gospel instead of the Old Testament stuff which can be a little dark.

 

[civilwarbuff]

and has heard the forgiveness part of the Gospel instead of the Old Testament stuff which can be a little dark.

But you do understand that one cannot be understood without the other? The OT explains the NT as the NT explains the OT.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. KJV

 

[durangodawood]

But you do understand that one cannot be understood without the other? The OT explains the NT as the NT explains the OT.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. KJV

Hopefully this doesnt mean all the OT law applies.