That's a nice, succinct way of putting it. And I obviously agree. The country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. Now it seems our foundation (if we still have one) is crumbling.
I also very much agree that changing people's attitudes is far more important than passing new laws.
One, it was Abraham, not Lot, who asked. Two, he stopped asking at 10. However your question, "Do they have to suffer to?" is a valid one and the answer is yes and no. Until the Rapture, we will suffer the consequences of a declining moral and spiritual ethic in this country, and more than likely will be subject to the kind of persecution that our brothers and sisters in Micronesia, China, South Yemen and a host of other nations and regions of the world are facing. I can't help but laugh when Americans speak of the "persecution" we face because we don't even know what persecution is, compared to what exists overseas now and will not that long from now come to roost in the US. But the Rapture is coming and judgment on the world will follow, though it must suffer even further atrocities at the hands of the antichrist and his minions. But Jesus is coming, first for us, then for judgment, and that is the blessing to the world.What about the righteous people in the US who love the Lord. Do they have to suffer to? Remember when Lot (was it Lot or someone else?) asked God "If 15 people were holy in the city would you destroy them along with the city?" and God said no. Then Lot said, "what if only 5 people were holy, were you still destroy them with everyone else?" and God said no.
Thank you for the correction!One, it was Abraham, not Lot, who asked. Two, he stopped asking at 10.
East Coast Liberal? Well good for you sis.Being gay is not a cause for rising healthcare costs. The soda law was a long time coming. A McDonald's small soda used to a large, once upon a time. By the way, I am an East Coat liberal.
I do agree completely. We were founded on Judeo - Christian principles. I agree also that our vision of a Utopian society based on the ideals expressed or implied by our founding fathers is slipping away.
This post isn't directed towards anyone, but I just want to go public with a thought I've had for a long time. The USA used to be a great and powerful nation. While compared to some others, it's still a good place to live, but I think we've been going downhill for quite a while now. People will debate issues and ask, "What's wrong if we allow xyz?" Well, we've been allowing many "xyz's" to creep into our society for a long time, and I think that's what has taken us down. Prov. 14:34 says, "Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people." I think today's society is living proof of that.
That's a nice, succinct way of putting it. And I obviously agree. The country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. Now it seems our foundation (if we still have one) is crumbling.
Our country was founded on the values of Western Civilization which were partially derived from our Christian experience.
You are absolutely correct. Not only the USA but many other nations as well.
The sad thing is that the modern church has allowed the standards of the world, the humanist philosphy to creep into the church. The church's refusal to call sin by its rightful name hinder the church in its witness to the nation. I believe that the church has lost its vision. The church has become weak morally so the nation will become weak morally too. A nation that has forsaken God can only look forward to judgement and destruction.
Our country was founded on the values of Western Civilization which were partially derived from our Christian experience.
Generally, I believe each generation has to fight this fight.
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We are what we are, and this generation is no different than the last.
Separation of church is used like a club to exclude any discussion of right and wrong from the debate.
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I won't disagree with "partially", but I suspect it's a pretty large percentage. Just look at some of the stuff coming out of the Founding Fathers:
- Andrew Jackson -- The Bible is the rock on which our republic rests
- Declaration of Independence -- appeals to the "Supreme Judge of the world"
- Declaration of Independence -- calls on the "reliance on the protection of Divine Providence"
- John Adams -- "I must beg you to read that Psalm ... read the thirty-fifth Psalm to your friends. Read it to your father.
- John Adams -- "Millions will be upon their knees at once before their great Creator, imploring His forgiveness and blessings; His smiles on American councils and arms."
- John Adams -- "It appears to me the eternal Son of God is operating powerfully against the British nation."
- George Washington -- "The hand of Providence has been so conspicuous in all this that he must be worse than an infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked, that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge his obligations"
- John Adams -- "The general principles on which the Fathers achieved independence were the ... general principles of Christianity"
- John Witherspoon -- "I entreat you in the most earnest manner to believe in Jesus Christ, for there is no salvation in any other. If you are not reconciled to God through Jesus Christ - if you are not clothed with the spotless robe of His righteousness - you must forever perish."
- Charles Thompson -- "I am a Christian. I believe only in the Scriptures, and in Jesus Christ my Savior."
- Benjamin Rush -- "My only hope of salvation is in the infinite transcendent love of God manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the cross. Nothing but His blood will wash away my sins. I rely exclusively upon it. Come Lord Jesus! Come quickly!"
- Samuel Adams -- "I rely upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins."
- Roger Sherman -- "God commands all men everywhere to repent. He also commands them to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and has assured us that all who do repent and believe shall be saved. God has promised to bestow eternal blessings on all those who are willing to accept Him on the terms of the Gospel - that is, in a way of free grace through the Atonement."
- John Adams -- "The Holy Ghost carries on the whole Christian system in His truth. Not a baptism, not a marriage, not a sacrament can be administered but by the Holy Ghost. There is no authority, civil or religious - there can be no legitimate government - but what is administered by the Holy Ghost. There can be no salvation without it. All without it is rebellion and perdition, or, in more orthodox words, damnation."
- Charles Carroll -- "I am grateful to Almighty God for the blessings which, through Jesus Christ our Lord, He has conferred on my beloved country."
- Charles Carroll -- "On the mercy of my Redeemer I rely for salvation, and on His merits; not on the works I have done in obedience to His precepts."
- George Washington -- "Of all the habits and dispositions which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars."
- Mathias Burnet -- "To God and posterity you are accountable for your rights and your rulers. Let not your children have reason to curse you for giving up those rights and prostrating those institutions which your fathers delivered to you."
Personal opinions were kept separate from government business in the day of statesmen. Just review the treaty of Tripoli and see what I mean.I won't disagree with "partially", but I suspect it's a pretty large percentage. Just look at some of the stuff coming out of the Founding Fathers:
- Andrew Jackson -- The Bible is the rock on which our republic rests
- Declaration of Independence -- appeals to the "Supreme Judge of the world"
- Declaration of Independence -- calls on the "reliance on the protection of Divine Providence"
- John Adams -- "I must beg you to read that Psalm ... read the thirty-fifth Psalm to your friends. Read it to your father.
- John Adams -- "Millions will be upon their knees at once before their great Creator, imploring His forgiveness and blessings; His smiles on American councils and arms."
- John Adams -- "It appears to me the eternal Son of God is operating powerfully against the British nation."
- George Washington -- "The hand of Providence has been so conspicuous in all this that he must be worse than an infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked, that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge his obligations"
- John Adams -- "The general principles on which the Fathers achieved independence were the ... general principles of Christianity"
- John Witherspoon -- "I entreat you in the most earnest manner to believe in Jesus Christ, for there is no salvation in any other. If you are not reconciled to God through Jesus Christ - if you are not clothed with the spotless robe of His righteousness - you must forever perish."
- Charles Thompson -- "I am a Christian. I believe only in the Scriptures, and in Jesus Christ my Savior."
- Benjamin Rush -- "My only hope of salvation is in the infinite transcendent love of God manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the cross. Nothing but His blood will wash away my sins. I rely exclusively upon it. Come Lord Jesus! Come quickly!"
- Samuel Adams -- "I rely upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins."
- Roger Sherman -- "God commands all men everywhere to repent. He also commands them to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and has assured us that all who do repent and believe shall be saved. God has promised to bestow eternal blessings on all those who are willing to accept Him on the terms of the Gospel - that is, in a way of free grace through the Atonement."
- John Adams -- "The Holy Ghost carries on the whole Christian system in His truth. Not a baptism, not a marriage, not a sacrament can be administered but by the Holy Ghost. There is no authority, civil or religious - there can be no legitimate government - but what is administered by the Holy Ghost. There can be no salvation without it. All without it is rebellion and perdition, or, in more orthodox words, damnation."
- Charles Carroll -- "I am grateful to Almighty God for the blessings which, through Jesus Christ our Lord, He has conferred on my beloved country."
- Charles Carroll -- "On the mercy of my Redeemer I rely for salvation, and on His merits; not on the works I have done in obedience to His precepts."
- George Washington -- "Of all the habits and dispositions which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars."
- Mathias Burnet -- "To God and posterity you are accountable for your rights and your rulers. Let not your children have reason to curse you for giving up those rights and prostrating those institutions which your fathers delivered to you."
The Treaty of Tripoli is a red herring. No one claims the US is a democratic theocracy, though everyone who brings up the Treaty of Tripoli acts as though that is the argument regarding the nature of the men who founded this country. The fact is, the democracy of the US is found in no other place except the principles Jesus taught to His disciples. No other nation has attempted to offer the level of freedom and participation in government that the US has. The men who founded this nation were, to varying degrees, men of God who trusted in the Creator of the universe to guide them in establishing this nation and to govern it justly. Far more so than our current president, or even George W. Bush or Jimmy Carter, who were very overt about their faith.Personal opinions were kept separate from government business in the day of statesmen. Just review the treaty of Tripoli and see what I mean.
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