Revelation chronological or not?

[vinsight4u]

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[Tellastory]

Is the book of Revelation written in chronological order from start to finish or not? If not how does it flow? What are your reasons? I know there are a lot of opinions on this. I would like to hear yours.

Revelation is not in chronological order. Proof of this can be found by comparing Revelations 18th chapter of going into detail of the destruction of Babylon with the saints within her being made to rest from their labours and Revelations 14th chapter talking about the first fruits redeemed from the earth at the pre trib rapture event and then going into how the hour of trial is being set up on the earth on those wayward & unrepentant saints left behind..by the way those three angels are setting up that hour of trial.

Note the second angel in Revelations 14:8 as heralding the fall of Babylon which is described in detail in Revelations 18th chapter.

So that is proof that Revelations is not in chronological order. Wisdom is needed from the Lord in discerning the chronological placement of the events in that book.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Postvieww]

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The vials will start being poured before the the time of Rev. 16:20.

trumpets....end....vials - last seven plagues start
Satan's wrath time .....God's wrath time...vials...Armageddon...

What are we disagreeing on?


Rev16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.


I agree the vials are poured out before Rev. 16:20, the last one is poured out in 16:17.

I believe the sixth seal, the seventh trumpet, and the seventh are all at the end. I stand by my statement Rev 6:14 and Rev 16:20 are two mentions of the same event. How many times can the Mountains and Islands be moved? The wording suggest the same event.

 

[BABerean2]

What are we disagreeing on?


Rev16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.


I agree the vials are poured out before Rev. 16:20, the last one is poured out in 16:17.

I believe the sixth seal, the seventh trumpet, and the seventh are all at the end. I stand by my statement Rev 6:14 and Rev 16:20 are two mentions of the same event. How many times can the Mountains and Islands be moved? The wording suggest the same event.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.


Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

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[vinsight4u]

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[Postvieww]

Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. The church is still here at least through the 6th vial. If not, who are these that are blessed, watching and keeping their garments in verse 15?

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Postvieww]

Moving out of their places and can't be found situations are not the same.
The earthquake in Rev. 16 is followed by great hail.

You seem to place a high priority on exact wording being required in different passages that refer to the same event. With all due respect I believe that is one of the reasons we have so many doctrinal differences in the church.
In the four gospels the superscriptions on the cross are all described differently. Yet there was only one crucifixion.When we come across these difficulties we must harmonize these passages and not create a new doctrines or events because wording is not identical. 1 Corinthians 15 and 1 Thess. 4 are the same event yet 1 Corin. does not mention the voice of the arch angel. 1 Thess. doesn't say last trump. Shall we then say they are not identical in wording, so it must be a separate event. We can't just pick the passages we want to fit our doctrine and make them fit by making up our own rules that are not consistent. I've debated this issue over the sun and moon being darkened passages, the return of Christ, the chronology of Revelation, the mountains and islands being moved. There are many more examples. If one wants use that standard at least be consistent about it.

 

[BABerean2]

Moving out of their places and can't be found situations are not the same.
The earthquake in Rev. 16 is followed by great hail.

My uncle had a pen full of quail that had the roof blown off during a storm.

The quail were moved out of their places.

It could also be said that...

The quail fled away and were no longer found.

There may have been hail during the storm, but I do not remember that part.
However, if there was hail and I included it in only one of the phrases, it would not mean they were not the same event.

Both phrases describe the same event.

The quail were gone from my uncle's barnyard.
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[vinsight4u]

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[Postvieww]

The earthquake of Rev. 16 is during God's wrath.

The earthquake of the 6th seal is shown before the moon turns to blood
and that is before God's wrath begins.
The every mountain and island move is not during God's wrath as some way
down the road event, as it is when it is just starting.

The vials are the seven last plagues.
The trumpets are the first plagues.
The trumpets do not begin in the day of the Lord, but the vials are all in the day
of the Lord.

At the end of the trumpets time - comes an earthquake.

At the end of the vials time - comes an earthquake.

It is impossible for them to be the same quake.

The trumpet quake - the same hour the two witnesses will rise from the dead.
The same hour -the wicked stop buying gifts.

This earthquake comes after a wicked party time, not a bunch of sores and sun
scorched people have been trying to survive ahead of a great earthquake and
great hail.

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The earthquake of Rev. 16 is during God's wrath.


The earthquake of the 6th seal is shown before the moon turns to blood

and that is before God's wrath begins.


I understand what you are saying and you are ignoring what I’ve been saying. I have contended over and over on these forums that the seals, trumpets and vials while starting at different times all end at about the same time. Therefore the sixth seal is at the end just as the seventh vial is at the end and that makes the earthquake of each passage the same. Show me why this is incorrect don't just keep ignoring it. If your only evidence is the wording try dealing with my last post in detail.


The every mountain and island move is not during God's wrath as some way

down the road event, as it is when it is just starting.


The mountains of the sixth seal and the mountain of the seventh vials are the same mountains since the sixth seal and seventh vial are at the same time.


The vials are the seven last plagues.

The trumpets are the first plagues.

The trumpets do not begin in the day of the Lord, but the vials are all in the day

of the Lord.


At the end of the trumpets time - comes an earthquake.


At the end of the vials time - comes an earthquake.


It is impossible for them to be the same quake.


Not if the trumpets and vials end at the same time.


The trumpet quake - the same hour the two witnesses will rise from the dead.

The same hour -the wicked stop buying gifts.


This earthquake comes after a wicked party time, not a bunch of sores and sun

scorched people have been trying to survive ahead of a great earthquake and

great hail.


We have a fundamental disagreement on the order of Revelation. We keep talking apples and oranges.


I am trying to offer scriptural evidence as to why Rev. is not chronological and that the seals , trumpets and vials over lap and all end with the return of Christ and Armageddon. We would make more progress if you would deal with the points I’ve raised and not just keep stating your position as if it were the only possible interpretation. It is not.

 

[Interplanner]

Guys all this is irresolvable because you are spending way too much time overthinking it. Once you realize it is saying nothing other than Rom 2A about the day of God's judgement, you can let go of "issues." Notice the size of this forum; these things never resolve.

 

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[Interplanner]

Vinsight:
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