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Revelation 6 through 22 : Discuss

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What is Petra?
Its in southern Jordan. It has a very narrow entrance and is a city built into a Rock.
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This is not proved, but it is just speculation as to where they will flee.
 
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Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

The beast currently in the bottomless pit that was, and is not - where is that person from ?

And when does he ascend out of the bottomless pit during the 70th week?

And what does this mean "continue a short space" regarding King 7 ?

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

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The little horn will be King 7 descended from the Roman line of Julio-Claudians - not an Assyrian. He becomes the Anti-Christ, the King of Israel. After the person is killed and brought back to life - he continues the short space as the beast - because the beast - who is associated as being assyrian and tied to the tower of babel - will ascend out of the bottomless pit to possess him.

Where is Assyria? This is the Assyrian captivity at the time of those passages in the Tanach. Where was the tower of Babel?

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Isaiah says he will be of Assyrian heritage. Then Daniel 7 says he arises out of the geo-political beast hat was the Fourth Beast or Rome, that doesn't mean that his heritage has to be of any Roman. And he is born in Greece, just as Daniel 8 says, he arises out of one of the Four Generals Kingdoms.

He is of Assyrian Heritage, arises out of one of the Four Generals Kingdoms, which then has to be IN THE REVIVED ROME FOOTPRINT !! Greece is in the European Union. Turks live in Greece.

The Bible has the clues, we just have to figure them out. In these last days, God is revealing hem unto us.
 
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Isaiah says he will be of Assyrian heritage. Then Daniel 7 says he arises out of the geo-political beast hat was the Fourth Beast or Rome, that doesn't mean that his heritage has to be of any Roman. And he is born in Greece, just as Daniel 8 says, he arises out of one of the Four Generals Kingdoms.
The beast in Revelation 17:8a is currently in the bottomless pit. When does he come out of the bottomless pit? And what is your bible proof?
 
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The beast in Revelation 17:8a is currently in the bottomless pit. When does he come out of the bottomless pit? And what is your bible proof?
You are confusing the Man and the Demon. One is the 7th King the other is the 8th King. The Demon will live in he Anti-Christs body at the mid-way point of the Final week.

Demons do not have a body, they have to use humans.
 
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You are confusing the Man and the Demon. One is the 7th King the other is the 8th King. The Demon will live in he Anti-Christs body at the mid-way point of the Final week.

Demons do not have a body, they have to use humans.
I don't know what to say to somebody who calls President Kennedy, Senator Kennedy, when he is in the white house. You are misusing the title "the Antichrist". You have a dull eschatology pencil that badly needs sharpening.

Instead of saying the demon will live in the Antichrist's body - say the demon will live in the person's body who has become the beast. The title the Antichrist has nothing to do with it. The person is not the Antichrist any more - after he becomes the beast.

If anyone is the Assyrian - it is referring to the demon - not the human. The woman is riding the beast, having it written on her forehead, Mystery, Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots and abominations upon the earth. Go back to the tower of babel - that is the beast she is riding - who is currently in the bottomless pit - but is represented by Satan, the scarlet color, from who he got his power.
 
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I don't know what to say to somebody who calls President Kennedy, Senator Kennedy, when he is in the white house. You are misusing the title "the Antichrist". You have a dull eschatology pencil that badly needs sharpening.

Instead of saying the demon will live in the Antichrist's body - say the demon will live in the person's body who has become the beast. The title the Antichrist has nothing to do with it. The person is not the Antichrist any more - after he becomes the beast.

If anyone is the Assyrian - it is referring to the demon - not the human. The woman is riding the beast, having it written on her forehead, Mystery, Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots and abominations upon the earth. Go back to the tower of babel - that is the beast she is riding - who is currently in the bottomless pit - but is represented by Satan, the scarlet color, from who he got his power.
The Beast, Ant-Christ, Man of Sin, the Assyrian, its all the same person. A man. He becomes possessed at the 3 1/2 year Mark.
 
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But not at the same time!
Yes, if a man is possessed and Alive, doesn't he live and the Demon live in him ? The Anti-Christ is going to be a Man, Satan is going to possess the Anti-Christ, who will still be alive.
 
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Yes, if a man is possessed and Alive, doesn't he live and the Demon live in him ? The Anti-Christ is going to be a Man, Satan is going to possess the Anti-Christ, who will still be alive.
I am saying to you the person is first the little horn
next phase the prince who shall come
next phase the Antichrist
next phase the revealed man of sin
next phase the beast

To illustrate the point using John F. Kennedy.

JFK - captain, PT109,
Then Senator, Massachusetts
Then President of the United States

The person when he is the Antichrist, he is not the beast, nor the revealed man of sin. The person when he is the Antichrist is the King of Israel, instead of Jesus the rightful king. The person gets rejected as continuing as the King of Israel, when he commits the transgression of desolation, revealing himself as the man of sin.

When you say the Antichrist gets possessed by the demon - that is like saying Senator JFK was assassinated in Dallas. The Senator wasn't assassinated; The President of the United States was assassinated.

You should actually be saying the slain and come back to life man of
sin gets possessed by the demon.

It makes a big big difference to call the person the Antichrist in the right context because as the Antichrist the Jews embrace him as their King Messiah. When he becomes the beast for that second half of the 7 years - the Jews will have rejected him and he persecutes them. BIG difference between being the Antichrist, their perceived messiah, and being the beast, their persecutor.

To be fair to you RT, nearly everyone misuses the term Antichrist - without thinking - because they really haven't thought it through, mostly because not having ever argued back and forth with Jewish (judaism) countermissionaries about the messiah, to understand what the term and role of the Antichrist actually means.

Sharpen your eschatological pencil, and you will help others understand the sequence of roles the person goes through - eventually becoming the beast.
 
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I am saying to you the person is first the little horn
next phase the prince who shall come
next phase the Antichrist
next phase the revealed man of sin
next phase the beast

To illustrate the point using John F. Kennedy.

JFK - captain, PT109,
Then Senator, Massachusetts
Then President of the United States

The person when he is the Antichrist, he is not the beast, nor the revealed man of sin. The person when he is the Antichrist is the King of Israel, instead of Jesus the rightful king. The person gets rejected as continuing as the King of Israel, when he commits the transgression of desolation, revealing himself as the man of sin.

When you say the Antichrist gets possessed by the demon - that is like saying Senator JFK was assassinated in Dallas. The Senator wasn't assassinated; The President of the United States was assassinated.

You should actually be saying the slain and come back to life man of
sin gets possessed by the demon.

It makes a big big difference to call the person the Antichrist in the right context because as the Antichrist the Jews embrace him as their King Messiah. When he becomes the beast for that second half of the 7 years - the Jews will have rejected him and he persecutes them. BIG difference between being the Antichrist, their perceived messiah, and being the beast, their persecutor.

To be fair to you RT, nearly everyone misuses the term Antichrist - without thinking - because they really haven't thought it through, mostly because not having ever argued back and forth with Jewish (judaism) countermissionaries about the messiah, to understand what the term and role of the Antichrist actually means.

Sharpen your eschatological pencil, and you will help others understand the sequence of roles the person goes through - eventually becoming the beast.
You see, I do not think that Israel accepts anyone as their Messiah accept Jesus, this happens right before the Mid-way point in the 70th Week. There is basically nowhere that says or implies this. Malachi says that Elijah will turn Israel back to God before the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord. Zechariah 12:10 says Israel turns back to their Messiah, Zechariah 13:1 says that a Fountain (Jesus' Blood) is Opened to Israel for Sins and Uncleanness. Daniel tells of the Daily sacrifice being taken away, but the scripture only says the daily is taken away. There was an evening and a morning sacrifice, so this was common knowledge. Once Israel accepts Jesus, that daily Sacrifice is going to be Jesus, and Jesus and the worshiping of him will be forbidden by the Anti-Christ.

To find out who the beast is lets visit Rev. 20:10.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

This Man that is placed in hell is called the Beast and the False Prophet is in hell with him.
 
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The beast in Revelation 17:8a is currently in the bottomless pit. When does he come out of the bottomless pit? And what is your bible proof?
Revelation 9:1-11
1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
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11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Believe it or not but his seat is already prepared ... Remember that angels can appear in human form...

The Vacant Seat Number 666 in the European Parliament
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/End of the World/seat_666.htm
I am saying to you the person is first the little horn
next phase the prince who shall come
next phase the Antichrist
next phase the revealed man of sin
next phase the beast
The beast [Abaddon/Apollyon] coming out of the bottomless pit, will play all these roles in the sequence you presented....

We will never know that he his a fallen angel ...the king of the locusts ,...."He"under a human form will be presented on the World scene by the European Parliament or the UN as a great man of peace and great defender of the cause of Israel having the solution to all the humanity problems.


The Vacant Seat Number 666 in the European Parliament
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/End of the World/seat_666.htm

Interesting declaration made by Paul-Henri Spaak (1899 - 1972)a founder of the European Union:
"We do not want another committee, we have too many already. What we want is a man of sufficient stature to hold the allegiance of all people, and to lift us out of the economic morass into which we are sinking.
Send us such a man, and be he god or devil, we will receive him."

Paul-Henri Spaak (1899 - 1972) was a former Belgian Prime Minister and one of the principal architects of what has, since its origins, now become the European Union. His words are chillingly 'prophetic' regarding the current meltdown in the Eurozone.

More:
http://www.christianstogether.net/A...ristians_and_Politics/EU_architect_would.aspx
 
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The Vacant Seat Number 666 in the European Parliament
I wouldn't put too much stock into the number of a seat, it is said to be the number of a Man, whatever that means.
Is a vial going to be poured yet in
Rev. 21? Look at the angel part where one
comes to speak to John.
Why would a vial be poured out in Rev. 21 when NJ is coming down and all the Seven vials have already been poured out ?
 
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I wouldn't put too much stock into the number of a seat, it is said to be the number of a Man, whatever that means.
What that mean is that they [political leaders of the EU] wait for the AC ...to occupy that seat Number 666.

Clearly, the European Union is preparing the way for the Man of Sin—The Antichrist! Few people realize just how saturated the United Nations and the European Union are with Satanism. The United Nations has all of their materials printed by The Lucis Trust, originally founded in 1922 as The Lucifer Trust.
Link
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Illuminati/lucifer_trust.htm


The Vacant Seat Number 666 in the European Parliament
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/End of the World/seat_666.htm


Interesting declaration made by Paul-Henri Spaak (1899 - 1972)a founder of the European Union:
"We do not want another committee, we have too many already. What we want is a man of sufficient stature to hold the allegiance of all people, and to lift us out of the economic morass into which we are sinking.
Send us such a man, and be he god or devil, we will receive him."

Paul-Henri Spaak (1899 - 1972) was a former Belgian Prime Minister and one of the principal architects of what has, since its origins, now become the European Union. His words are chillingly 'prophetic' regarding the current meltdown in the Eurozone.

More:
http://www.christianstogether.net/A...ristians_and_Politics/EU_architect_would.aspx
 
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You see, I do not think that Israel accepts anyone as their Messiah accept Jesus, this happens right before the Mid-way point in the 70th Week. There is basically nowhere that says or implies this.
The first part of your statement that you don't believe the Antichrist will be the Jewish perceived messiah (in error of course) - I acknowledge that you don't believe it. The second part is like saying there is no such thing as the Antichrist coming. How were them in 1John2:18 already aware that antichrist is coming, what was their basis ?

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

You think the Antichrist is some leader who confirms a 7 year peace treaty with Israel - but where is your proof that is what those persons in 1 John2:18 were thinking that about the Antichrist ?

My proof is that in the rest of 1John2:18 as John was likening them who were leaving Christianity and denying Father and son - as antichrists, that basis is found in John 5. And in the same breath, Jesus said he comes in his Father's name and they reject him (as their king), but if another comes in his own name they will receive. That is where they were aware that Antichrist shalll come.
 
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The first part of your statement that you don't believe the Antichrist will be the Jewish perceived messiah (in error of course) - I acknowledge that you don't believe it. The second part is like saying there is no such thing as the Antichrist coming. How were them in 1John2:18 already aware that antichrist is coming, what was their basis ?

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
A fake Christ is the opposite of an Anti-Christ. Anti-means opposed to or against a particular person or idea, why do you all insist they are going to be a False or Fake Messiah ? Man of Sin is the Opposite of Jesus Christ, Man of Lawlessness is the opposite of Jesus Christ, Little Horn is described as having many characteristics that is just the opposite of Jesus Christ.

The Second part does no such thing, it is just me putting the facts together. If Israel turns back to God before the Day of the LORD (Tribulation period) then during the Tribulation period they will not be sacrificing in the Temple, the Sacrifice that will be taken away is Jesus, he will be barred from being worshiped by Israel who has by now accepted Jesus, WHY ELSE, would God protect them in the Wilderness ? They turn back to God, just like Zechariah 12:10 and 13:1 says.
You think the Antichrist is some leader who confirms a 7 year peace treaty with Israel - but where is your proof that is what those persons in 1 John2:18 were thinking that about the Antichrist ?

My proof is that in the rest of 1John2:18 as John was likening them who were leaving Christianity and denying Father and son - as antichrists, that basis is found in John 5. And in the same breath, Jesus said he comes in his Father's name and they reject him (as their king), but if another comes in his own name they will receive. That is where they were aware that Antichrist shalll come.
Many Anti-Christs means all in the world that oppose Jesus. That is real simple, you see an Atheist, he is Anti-Christ. That has nothing do with the Man of Sin who is possessed by Satan himself. They make a Deal with Israel, that is shown in Daniel.
 
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A fake Christ is the opposite of an Anti-Christ. Anti-means opposed to or against a particular person or idea, why do you all insist they are going to be a False or Fake Messiah ? Man of Sin is the Opposite of Jesus Christ, Man of Lawlessness is the opposite of Jesus Christ, Little Horn is described as having many characteristics that is just the opposite of Jesus Christ.
Paul doesn't call the revealed man of sin - the Antichrist - for good reason. So them in 1john2:18 who were already aware that antichrist shall come - was not based upon anything Paul wrote.

The fundamental problem is that you are not recognizing that the Christ, greek for the messiah, anointed, means the promised great King of Israel. And that Anti not only means against, but also instead of.
 
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Paul doesn't call the revealed man of sin - the Antichrist - for good reason/ So them in 1john2:18 who were already aware that antichrist shall come - was not based upon anything Paul wrote.

The fundamental problem is that you are not recognizing that the Christ, greek for the messiah, anointed, means the promised great King of Israel. And that Anti not only means against, but also instead of.
The Man of Sin is the Anti-Christ. No one calls the man the Anti-Christ as far as that goes, they call him the Assyrian, the Little Horn, the Man of Sin, the Beast, the Man of Lawlessness etc. I understand that Christ means Messiah, which means the Promised Deliverer. Yeshua or Jesus means Salvation. I am well informed on these meanings.

And by the way, he calls him the Man of Sin, the son of perdition. Who opposes and exalts himself.................it is very clear, this is exactly what Daniel and Rev. says.
 
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The Man of Sin is the Anti-Christ. No one calls the man the Anti-Christ as far as that goes, they call him the Assyrian, the Little Horn, the Man of Sin, the Beast, the Man of Lawlessness etc. I understand that Christ means Messiah, which means the Promised Deliverer. Yeshua or Jesus means Salvation. I am well informed on these meanings.

And by the way, he calls him the Man of Sin, the son of perdition. Who opposes and exalts himself.................it is very clear, this is exactly what Daniel and Rev. says.
Paul also doesn't say the Man of Sin is the Antichrist. You are doing that in error.

Paul doesn't call him the revealed man of sin the Antichrist. The person is not being revealed as the Antichrist, by the act.

When the person commits the transgression of desolation - that will end his time as the Antichrist, illegitimate King of Israel, as the Jews will reject him as continuing as their king.

The transgression of desolation act ends his time as the Antichrist - not begins it.

I understand that Christ means Messiah, which means the Promised Deliverer. Yeshua or Jesus means Salvation. I am well informed on these meanings.

No, you are not well informed. You are poorly informed. Because you did not say one word about "the Christ" referring to specifically being the promised King of Israel, Son of David. What was written on the sign Pilate had placed above Jesus's head on the cross? What did Pilate ask Jesus in his interview? Anything about him being Savior, or Promised Deliverer?

You need to read through Matthew 27.
 
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As for the numbering of a king/man.

After doing wickedly with the holy vessels -Belshazzar was
weighed - to find his number. He went wanting? Why?
Because information was lacking - the vessels had not
been weighed/counted by Solomon - since there were so
many - in abundance.

Solomon had 666 talents of gold? Why? David had given
supplies for the building of the temple to God and told him
-of that there was no number - but he was to add to it.

This 666 talents of gold is listed as not coming from specific
sources. David had told the princes of Israel to build the
sanctuary.
The number 666, the number of his name is a sum based on numberic equivalents of the letters in his name. The rule of thumb of the significance of something in Scripture is you go to the first mention of it. With the number six it the day God made man, six is the human number. When you see the beast arise it I'd out of a stormy sea of humanity. The beast is the monster We made.
 
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