Revelation 20:6 "The First Resurrection" Explained

[Truth7t7]

Therefore, interpretation of the prophetic riddle of Revelation to mean two physical resurrections is incorrect because it disagrees with apostolic teaching of only one physical resurrection, at the end of time (1 Th 4:15-17).

I Disagree With Your Claims, there are no riddles whatsoever in God's words below

The time of resurrection is on "The Last Day" there are "Two" completely different groups that will be resurrected on this day as seen below

(The Dead In Christ Shall Rise First) In The (First Resurrection) To Eternal Life On This (Last Day) It Doesn't State 2nd or 3rd But (First) Read It Again And Again

There will be "Two Future Resurrections" on "The Last Day" the righteous saved are "Blessed" to be in "The First Resurrection" to eternal life, the second death resurrection has no power over the righteous saved

The second death will see the unsaved wicked being in "The Second Resurrection" to eternal damnation in the lake of fire, or the "Second Death"

Revelation 20:6KJV
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1.) The First Resurrection To Eternal Life
2.) The Second Resurrection To Eternal Damnation, Second Death

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

(The First Resurrection Of The Righteous Saved) The Dead In Christ Shall Rise "First"

1 Thessalonians 4:16KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(The Second Resurrection Of The Wicked To The Second Death In Eternal Damnation)

Revelation 20:13-14KJV
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

The last day is the seventh day.
Also know as the Sabbath.


Them who are resurected in the first resurection keep the Sabbath.
You obviously won't as you openly say that you will miss it.

You have no scripture to support your opinions, so what reason do we have to take you seriously?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

I Disagree With Your Claims, there are no riddles whatsoever in God's words below

The time of resurrection is on "The Last Day" there are "Two" completely different groups that will be resurrected on this day as seen below

(The Dead In Christ Shall Rise First) In The (First Resurrection) To Eternal Life On This (Last Day) It Doesn't State 2nd or 3rd But (First) Read It Again And Again

There will be "Two Future Resurrections" on "The Last Day" the righteous saved are "Blessed" to be in "The First Resurrection" to eternal life, the second death resurrection has no power over the righteous saved

The second death will see the unsaved wicked being in "The Second Resurrection" to eternal damnation in the lake of fire, or the "Second Death"

Revelation 20:6KJV
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1.) The First Resurrection To Eternal Life
2.) The Second Resurrection To Eternal Damnation, Second Death

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

(The First Resurrection Of The Righteous Saved) The Dead In Christ Shall Rise "First"

1 Thessalonians 4:16KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(The Second Resurrection Of The Wicked To The Second Death In Eternal Damnation)

Revelation 20:13-14KJV
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

If the first resurrection occurs when Jesus comes and refers to the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ, as you claim, then, according to Revelation 20:6, that would mean no one would reign with Christ for a thousand years until He comes again, which is normally only what premils believe. Yet, you are an amil like me. Do you think that no one reigns with Christ a thousand years until He comes again? What about Satan's little season? Where does that fit in your view?

 

[Truth7t7]

If the first resurrection occurs when Jesus comes and refers to the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ, as you claim, then, according to Revelation 20:6, that would mean no one would reign with Christ for a thousand years until He comes again, which is normally only what premils believe.

The dead in Christ will rise "First", there are "Two" completely different resurrections on the last day

Those seen reigning are in the Lords spiritual realm where one day is a thousand years, no literal times is seen, it could have been a Zillion years, those souls will reign in the spiritual and will do so until the return of Jesus Christ in the bodily resurrection on the last day when the believers reign for eternity with Jesus Christ

What about Satan's little season? Where does that fit in your view?

Satan Is Currently Bound For 1,000 Years Explained​

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

(Satans Little Season)

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Satan's Little Season)

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Clare73]

I Disagree With Your Claims, there are no riddles whatsoever in God's words below.

The word of God written disagrees with you.

Take it up with Nu 12:6-8 (prophecy is dark sayings).

1.) The First Resurrection To Eternal Life
2.) The Second Resurrection To Eternal Damnation, Second Death

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

(The First Resurrection Of The Righteous Saved) The Dead In Christ Shall Rise "First"

1 Thessalonians 4:16KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(The Second Resurrection Of The Wicked To The Second Death In Eternal Damnation)

Revelation 20:13-14KJV
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

The dead in Christ will rise "First", there are "Two" completely different resurrections on the last day

Those seen reigning are in the Lords spiritual realm where one day is a thousand years, no literal times is seen, it could have been a Zillion years, those souls will reign in the spiritual and will do so until the return of Jesus Christ in the bodily resurrection on the last day when the believers reign for eternity with Jesus Christ

But, it is not until someone has part in the first resurrection that they start reigning with Christ and you say the first resurrection occurs at His second coming. That would mean no one is reigning with Him until His second coming. So, that shows your understanding of the first resurrection is flawed. If people are reigning with Him now in the spiritual realm, in heaven, as you agree they are, then they must have already had part in the first resurrection because no one reigns with Him until first having part in the first resurrection, according to Revelation 20:6.

It specifically says that the thousand years will end, so it cannot refer reigning in a realm where there is no time. It very specifically indicates that Satan's little season occurs when the thousand years ends (Revelation 20:3,7). Where does Satan's little season fit in your view since you have the first resurrection occurring when Christ returns? Obviously, Satan's little season can't occur after He returns. While I agree that Amil is true, your version of it doesn't make any sense when it comes to your understanding of the first resurrection.

Satan Is Currently Bound For 1,000 Years Explained​

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

You know I'm an amillennialist, right? You don't need to convince me that he's currently bound and all that. Stop wasting your time trying to convince an amil that amil is true. I'm simply trying to get you to explain how your understanding of the first resurrection makes any sense, keeping in mind that having part in the first resurrection means you reign with Christ during the thousand years. But, the thousand years has an end, according to Revelation 20 verses 3 and 7 and is followed by Satan's little season. I don't see any room for Satan's little season to fit with your understanding of the first resurrection.

 

[Truth7t7]

But, it is not until someone has part in the first resurrection that they start reigning with Christ and you say the first resurrection occurs at His second coming. That would mean no one is reigning with Him until His second coming. So, that shows your understanding of the first resurrection is flawed.

Reformed teaching interprets "First Resurrection" as being saved and "Partaking" or "Believing" in the Lords "First Resurrection" in salvation and reigning with the Lord?

Scripture in Revelation 20:5 below gives detailed information on the definition of the words "First Resurrection" and it clearly states this resurrection takes place at the end of the non-literal thousand years, and it has no reference to partaking in Jesus being resurrected

Rev 20:4 speaks directly about beheaded trib saints, Rev 20:5 speaks of the rest of the dead in Christ that will "Live Again" in the glorified immortal body received at the resurrection when the non-literal thousand years are finished at the second coming

Revelation 20:5KJV
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

It specifically says that the thousand years will end, so it cannot refer reigning in a realm where there is no time. It very specifically indicates that Satan's little season occurs when the thousand years ends

The words (Thousand Years) is used as figurative language regarding the Lord's eternal spiritual realm (Not Literal) 2 Peter 3:8 One day is a thousand years

(Revelation 20:3,7). Where does Satan's little season fit in your view since you have the first resurrection occurring when Christ returns? Obviously, Satan's little season can't occur after He returns.

I responded to you at your request regarding satans little season in post #24 above

While I agree that Amil is true, your version of it doesn't make any sense when it comes to your understanding of the first resurrection.

I would say the same regarding your interpretation that follows standard reformed eschatology, as stated above the definition of "First Resurrection" is given in context in Revelation 20:5 and it disagrees with reformed teaching

You know I'm an amillennialist, right? You don't need to convince me that he's currently bound and all that. Stop wasting your time trying to convince an amil that amil is true.

Not trying to convince you, I'm well aware of your belief and we differ in much regarding our interpretations in Revelation to name one, (The Beast) being a future human man, The (Two Witnesses) being literal prophets returned, just to mention a few

I'm simply trying to get you to explain how your understanding of the first resurrection makes any sense

Already explained in great detail above

But, the thousand years has an end, according to Revelation 20 verses 3 and 7 and is followed by Satan's little season.

Explained Above regarding Thousand Years

I don't see any room for Satan's little season to fit with your understanding of the first resurrection.

Once again those seen in Revelation 20:4-6 they are dead souls of the beheaded trib saints and the rest of the dead in Christ, they will live again at the future "First Resurrection" on the last day second coming, when the glorified immortal body is received

All saved believers are in the Lord's kingdom presently, as Jesus sits at the right hand of the father ruling and reigning upon this earth presently

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Reformed teaching interprets "First Resurrection" as being saved and "Partaking" or "Believing" in the Lords "First Resurrection" in salvation and reigning with the Lord?

I don't know what Reformed teaching is, but that is what I believe, yes. I don't follow after Reformed teaching any more than you follow after dispensationalists teaching even though you agree with much more of what they believe than I do. So, stop being childish for once and leave the labels out of this.

Scripture in Revelation 20:5 below gives detailed information on the definition of the words "First Resurrection" and it clearly states this resurrection takes place at the end of the non-literal thousand years, and it has no reference to partaking in Jesus being resurrected

Rev 20:4 speaks directly about beheaded trib saints, Rev 20:5 speaks of the rest of the dead in Christ that will "Live Again" in the glorified immortal body received at the resurrection when the non-literal thousand years are finished at the second coming

Revelation 20:5KJV
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

You have a doctrine all to yourself. The rest of the dead are not in Christ and do not reign with Christ. They are unbelievers. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. The rest of the dead are contrasted with the believing dead referenced in verse 4. Don't you know that ALL of the dead in Christ will be resurrected at the same time when Christ returns? That will include the "beheaded trib saints" you mentioned. Just because verse 4 may not specifically reference all of the dead in Christ while focusing on martyrs, all the dead in Christ have part in the first resurrection. So, the rest of the dead are contrasted with all of the dead in Christ who have part in the first resurrection. Since the rest of the dead do not have part in the first resurrection and are not resurrected until after the thousand years (and Satan's little season) are over, you cannot say that their resurrection occurs at the same time as when people have part in the first resurrection.

The words (Thousand Years) is used as figurative language regarding the Lord's eternal spiritual realm (Not Literal) 2 Peter 3:8 One day is a thousand years

Wrong. That is impossible because it very explicitly indicates that the thousand years will end, followed by Satan's little season.

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Clearly, what is described in these verses does not fit the context of 2 Peter 3:8. You make the same mistake that premils do by thinking that 2 Peter 3:8 has any relation to Revelation 20. It does not. A day being as a thousand years to the Lord means that He is eternal and not affected by time. The thousand years does NOT represent eternity because it has an end. Notice it talks about the thousand years being "fulfilled" and about when they "are expired". Do you just ignore that? Satan's little season couldn't happen unless the thousand years ends first because it specifically says his little season occurs after the thousand years are fulfilled and are expired. You need to adjust your understanding to fit the text that says the thousand years will end.

I responded to you at your request regarding satans little season in post #24 above

Not in a way that makes any sense to me. I don't see how there's any room for Satan's little season in your view when you don't acknowledge that the thousand years has an end because it specifically says his little season happens AFTER the thousand years ends.

I would say the same regarding your interpretation that follows standard reformed eschatology, as stated above the definition of "First Resurrection" is given in context in Revelation 20:5 and it disagrees with reformed teaching

I don't follow reformed teaching. If I agree with anything they believe, so be it. It doesn't mean I get my beliefs from them. I absolutely do not. You ruin discussing like this by bringing that nonsense into it. You are talking to me and we have our own beliefs that we have come up with from studying the scriptures for ourselves. Whether our beliefs agree or not with certain systems of eschatology is meaningless and irrelevant.

Not trying to convince you, I'm well aware of your belief and we differ in much regarding our interpretations in Revelation to name one, (The Beast) being a future human man, The (Two Witnesses) being literal prophets returned, just to mention a few

Yes, I'm well aware that we disagree on much as well. We pretty much only agree that Jesus reigns now, Satan is bound now and that all unbelievers will be killed by fire when Jesus returns, not allowing for the supposed future earthly millennial kingdom that premils believe in. Beyond that, I don't think we agree on much.

Once again those seen in Revelation 20:4-6 they are dead souls of the beheaded trib saints and the rest of the dead in Christ, they will live again at the future "First Resurrection" on the last day second coming, when the glorified immortal body is received

What are you saying here, that you don't believe the beheaded trib saints have part in the first resurrection? Is your understanding that the first resurrection applies only to "the rest of the dead"? That's completely false. You need to understand that when it says "this is the first resurrection" it's referring back to those mentioned in verse 4, not to the rest of the dead. The reference to the rest of the dead is a parenthetical statement that doesn't apply to those who have part in the first resurrection. That's why it's even put in parentheses in the NIV.

Revelation 20:5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

So, I can see now that part of the reason for your confusion is that you don't recognize what "This is the first resurrection" is referring to. It's NOT referring to the rest of the dead being resurrected after the thousand years end. It's referring to those who belong to Christ including the martyrs referenced in verse 4. But, it's not just martyrs who have part in the first resurrection. It's all believers because it says the second death has no power over those who have part in the first resurrection (Rev 20:6). Does the second death have power over any believer? No. So, all believers have part in the first resurrection since that is necessary in order to avoid the second death. Being saved and having part in Christ's resurrection is what makes it so that a person avoids the second death, so having part in the first resurrection is to spiritually have part in Christ's resurrection, which scripture says was the first resurrection (Acts 26:23, 1 Cor 15:20).

All saved believers are in the Lord's kingdom presently, as Jesus sits at the right hand of the father ruling and reigning upon this earth presently

Right. And, according to scripture, all saved believers are priests of God and of Christ. That's why 1 Peter 2:9 says that we (the church) are "a royal priesthood" and why Revelation 1:5-6 says that Jesus has MADE us kings and priests unto God and his father. What Revelation 20:6 says is true about those who have part in the first resurrection is true of all who are in Christ (dead and alive) now. Think about that and what that means about the timing of Revelation 20:6.

 

[Truth7t7]

I don't know what Reformed teaching is, but that is what I believe, yes. I don't follow after Reformed teaching any more than you follow after dispensationalists teaching even though you agree with much more of what they believe than I do. So, stop being childish for once and leave the labels out of this.

It's a fact that the reformed eschatology promotes your belief regarding the words (First Resurrection) it's a fact that dispensationalism promotes my belief in a future literal human man as (The Beast) and literal prophets returned in physical bodies that die in the (Two Witnesses) no harm in a factual presentation of our beliefs

You have a doctrine all to yourself. The rest of the dead are not in Christ and do not reign with Christ. They are unbelievers. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. The rest of the dead are contrasted with the believing dead referenced in verse 4. Don't you know that ALL of the dead in Christ will be resurrected at the same time when Christ returns? That will include the "beheaded trib saints" you mentioned. Just because verse 4 may not specifically reference all of the dead in Christ while focusing on martyrs, all the dead in Christ have part in the first resurrection. So, the rest of the dead are contrasted with all of the dead in Christ who have part in the first resurrection.

The beheaded souls vs 4 and the rest of the dead that will live again vs 5 are both believers that died in faith, the only difference is the rest of the dead didn't get beheaded coming out of the great tribulation, I never stated otherwise, they are all believers that are awaiting upon the future "First Resurrection" at the second coming

Since the rest of the dead do not have part in the first resurrection and are not resurrected until after the thousand years (and Satan's little season) are over, you cannot say that their resurrection occurs at the same time as when people have part in the first resurrection.

As stated above the beheaded trib saints and the rest of the dead are awaiting upon the future "First Resurrection" and they will "Live Again" in glorified immortal bodies at the second coming and resurrection of all on the last day

The wicked are waiting upon the second death resurrection, their resurrection is explained in Revelation 20:11-15, they will never "Live Again" as is seen in Rev 20:5, they are dead and will see a resurrection to their second death

Wrong. That is impossible because it very explicitly indicates that the thousand years will end, followed by Satan's little season.

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Clearly, what is described in these verses does not fit the context of 2 Peter 3:8. You make the same mistake that premils do by thinking that 2 Peter 3:8 has any relation to Revelation 20. It does not.

I disagree, those seen in Revelation 20:4-6 are dead souls awaiting upon the first resurrection, they are in the Lord's realm of eternity where one day is a thousand years, "No Literal Earthly Time" (Thousand Years) is symbolic speech, it could have been expressed as a (Trillion Years) in today's speech

A day being as a thousand years to the Lord means that He is eternal and not affected by time. The thousand years does NOT represent eternity because it has an end.

Once again (Thousand Years) represents a large figurative number to express one day is a thousand years eternal

Notice it talks about the thousand years being "fulfilled" and about when they "are expired". Do you just ignore that? Satan's little season couldn't happen unless the thousand years ends first because it specifically says his little season occurs after the thousand years are fulfilled and are expired. You need to adjust your understanding to fit the text that says the thousand years will end.

Once again a figure of speech, no literal time is seen, the expression thousand years ends, is nothing more than God's will moving forward, you believe its earthly literal, I believe it's symbolic spiritual, we disagree

 

[Spiritual Jew]

It's a fact that the reformed eschatology promotes your belief regarding the words (First Resurrection) it's a fact that dispensationalism promotes my belief in a future literal human man as (The Beast) and literal prophets returned in physical bodies that die in the (Two Witnesses) no harm in a factual presentation of our beliefs

Who cares? I could not care less about that since it has nothing to do with what I believe. I don't base my beliefs on other systems of belief. If we happen to agree with any particular eschatological belief system on some things, what difference does it make? It doesn't mean we only believe what we do because those systems told us what to believe. So, agreeing with them on a few things is meaningless and doesn't make us Reformed preterists or dispensationalists or anything like that since we disagree with them on plenty of other things. So, talking about that is a complete waste of time.

The beheaded souls vs 4 and the rest of the dead that will live again vs 5 are both believers that died in faith, the only difference is the rest of the dead didn't get beheaded coming out of the great tribulation, I never stated otherwise, they are all believers that are awaiting upon the future "First Resurrection" at the second coming

You're not thinking this through carefully enough. There is clearly a difference between the timing of having part in the first resurrection and the resurrection of the rest of the dead. In the case of those who have part in the first resurrection, they have part in it BEFORE the end of the thousand years because they reign with Christ DURING the thousand years. The rest of the dead, in contrast to that, do not live again until AFTER the thousand years ends.

As long as you continue to deny that the thousand years has an end (after which is Satan's little season), you will continue to contradict the text with your understanding.

As stated above the beheaded trib saints and the rest of the dead are awaiting upon the future "First Resurrection" and they will "Live Again" in glorified immortal bodies at the second coming and resurrection of all on the last day

Do you think the wicked dead are not referenced in Revelation 20:4-5 anywhere? Why would that be, knowing that they too will be resurrected? It's unbelievers who are the rest of the dead that will not live again until AFTER the thousand years, unlike believers who have part in the first resurrection (Christ's resurrection - Acts 26:23) and live and reign with Christ DURING the thousand years.

The wicked are waiting upon the second death resurrection, their resurrection is explained in Revelation 20:11-15, they will never "Live Again" as is seen in Rev 20:5, they are dead and will see a resurrection to their second death

They make up the rest of the dead that don't live again until after the thousand years. It references them in verse 5 and then shows them being judged in verses 11-15.

I disagree, those seen in Revelation 20:4-6 are dead souls awaiting upon the first resurrection, they are in the Lord's realm of eternity where one day is a thousand years, "No Literal Earthly Time" (Thousand Years) is symbolic speech, it could have been expressed as a (Trillion Years) in today's speech

You continue to ignore the fact that the thousand years ends. The thousand years cannot possibly be a reference to eternity since it comes to an end! You just continue to ignore this because you don't want to learn anything.

Revelation 20:3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

Revelation 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison...

How can the thousand years represent eternity, when it says the thousand years will end and be followed by Satan being loosed for a short time (little season)? You can't just ignore this. Address it. How do these verses fit with your overall understanding of Revelation 20?

Once again (Thousand Years) represents a large figurative number to express one day is a thousand years eternal

No, they do not! Impossible! It says the thousand years will end and be followed by a short period of time afterwards. That does not describe eternity. You don't even address this. How can you be satisfied with having an interpretation that blatantly contradicts the text in Revelation 20 verses 3 and 7 which very clearly indicate that the thousand years has an end (and is therefore not eternal)?

Once again a figure of speech, no literal time is seen, the expression thousand years ends, is nothing more than God's will moving forward, you believe its earthly literal, I believe it's symbolic spiritual, we disagree

Yes, we disagree, but at least I'm not ignoring the fact that it says the thousand years will end, which means it is not eternal.

 

[Truth7t7]

Who cares? I could not care less about that since it has nothing to do with what I believe. I don't base my beliefs on other systems of belief. If we happen to agree with any particular eschatological belief system on some things, what difference does it make? It doesn't mean we only believe what we do because those systems told us what to believe. So, agreeing with them on a few things is meaningless and doesn't make us Reformed preterists or dispensationalists or anything like that since we disagree with them on plenty of other things. So, talking about that is a complete waste of time.

Well said I Agree, I will refrain from further mention

You're not thinking this through carefully enough. There is clearly a difference between the timing of having part in the first resurrection and the resurrection of the rest of the dead. In the case of those who have part in the first resurrection, they have part in it BEFORE the end of the thousand years because they reign with Christ DURING the thousand years. The rest of the dead, in contrast to that, do not live again until AFTER the thousand years ends.

It's my opinion you miss the target in your interpretation of the words "First Resurrection" and you hang your hat on the believer "having part in" the resurrection of Jesus through spiritual faith, however the event seen in Revelation 20:5 the Future "First Resurrection" will be a literal event in a literal bodily resurrection to immortality at the second coming

Revelation 20:5 cancels your claim of the spiritual belief "having part in" and gives the definition in itself of a "future literal resurrection at the end", not believers that were saved 2,000 years ago until this present day having faith in Jesus resurrection

1 Thess 4:16 The dead in christ rise "First" in the "First Resurrection" and they will "Live Again" in glorified immortal bodies

Revelation 20:5KJV
1 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

As long as you continue to deny that the thousand years has an end (after which is Satan's little season), you will continue to contradict the text with your understanding.

"Thousand years are finished" is nothing more than an explanation that God's will is moving forward in Satan being released into the earthly realm to gather the nations to the final battle, verse 7 is transitionaI from the spiritual Rev 20:1-6 and earthly Rev 20:8-9 I have explained myself clearly "We Disagree" Thousand Years = God's Spiritual Eternal

Do you think the wicked dead are not referenced in Revelation 20:4-5 anywhere?

"NO" Once again vs 4 represents saved beheaded trib saints, vs 5 represents the rest of the saved dead who aren't mentioned in verse 4 as trib saints

Why would that be, knowing that they too will be resurrected? It's unbelievers who are the rest of the dead that will not live again until AFTER the thousand years,

I Disagree, as stated previously the wicked dead are never referenced as "Living", the saved righteous dead in the grave will "Live Again" at the "First Resurrection" and receive glorified immortal bodies

As previously explained the resurrection of the dead wicked will be from hell straight to the lake of fire Revelation 20:11-15 they will never "Live Again" as Revelation 20:5 teaches

unlike believers who have part in the first resurrection (Christ's resurrection - Acts 26:23) and live and reign with Christ DURING the thousand years.

Already explained your claim "have part in" I disagree

All believers dead and alive are presently in God's kingdom where Jesus reigns in the spiritual and physical earthly

You continue to ignore the fact that the thousand years ends. The thousand years cannot possibly be a reference to eternity since it comes to an end! You just continue to ignore this because you don't want to learn anything.

Already answered above

How can the thousand years represent eternity, when it says the thousand years will end and be followed by Satan being loosed for a short time (little season)? You can't just ignore this. Address it. How do these verses fit with your overall understanding of Revelation 20?

Once again the words (Thousand Years) represents God's eternal realm where one day is a thousand years "No Time"

Once again the words (thousand years expires/ends) in Rev 20:7 is a figure of speech in God's will moving forward in satan being released from the spiritual vs 1-6 to the earthly vs 8-9

When you can understand (Thousand Years) isn't earthly literal but eternal spiritual then we will be on the same page, presently we disagree

No, they do not! Impossible! It says the thousand years will end and be followed by a short period of time afterwards. That does not describe eternity. You don't even address this. How can you be satisfied with having an interpretation that blatantly contradicts the text in Revelation 20 verses 3 and 7 which very clearly indicate that the thousand years has an end (and is therefore not eternal)?


Yes, we disagree, but at least I'm not ignoring the fact that it says the thousand years will end, which means it is not eternal.

Already explained we disagree, just as we disagree on a future literal human man (The Beast) and future literal prophets returned in the (Two Witnesses) I believe they're literal, you believe it's symbolic

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Well said I Agree, I will refrain from further mention

I have tried the say that to you many times that we shouldn't put labels on each other like Reformed preterist or dispensationalist since agreeing with them on a few things doesn't make us one of them and you kept doing that, anyway. Finally, you seem to understand. Better late than never.

It's my opinion you miss the target in your interpretation of the words "First Resurrection" and you hang your hat on the believer "having part in" the resurrection of Jesus through spiritual faith, however the event seen in Revelation 20:5 the Future "First Resurrection" will be a literal event in a literal bodily resurrection to immortality at the second coming

Revelation 20:5 cancels your claim of the spiritual belief "having part in" and gives the definition in itself of a "future literal resurrection at the end", not believers that were saved 2,000 years ago until this present day having faith in Jesus resurrection

1 Thess 4:16 The dead in christ rise "First" in the "First Resurrection" and they will "Live Again" in glorified immortal bodies

Revelation 20:5KJV
1 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

"Thousand years are finished" is nothing more than an explanation that God's will is moving forward in Satan being released into the earthly realm to gather the nations to the final battle, verse 7 is transitionaI from the spiritual Rev 20:1-6 and earthly Rev 20:8-9 I have explained myself clearly "We Disagree" Thousand Years = God's Spiritual Eternal

"NO" Once again vs 4 represents saved beheaded trib saints, vs 5 represents the rest of the saved dead who aren't mentioned in verse 4 as trib saints

I Disagree, as stated previously the wicked dead are never referenced as "Living", the saved righteous dead in the grave will "Live Again" at the "First Resurrection" and receive glorified immortal bodies

As previously explained the resurrection of the dead wicked will be from hell straight to the lake of fire Revelation 20:11-15 they will never "Live Again" as Revelation 20:5 teaches

Already explained your claim "have part in" I disagree

All believers dead and alive are presently in God's kingdom where Jesus reigns in the spiritual and physical earthly

Already answered above

Once again the words (Thousand Years) represents God's eternal realm where one day is a thousand years "No Time"

Once again the words (thousand years expires/ends) in Rev 20:7 is a figure of speech in God's will moving forward in satan being released from the spiritual vs 1-6 to the earthly vs 8-9

When you can understand (Thousand Years) isn't earthly literal but eternal spiritual then we will be on the same page, presently we disagree

Already explained we disagree, just as we disagree on a future literal human man (The Beast) and future literal prophets returned in the (Two Witnesses) I believe they're literal, you believe it's symbolic

It's pointless to go round and round on all of this any further. Agree to disagree.

Jesus Is The Lord

Now, that's something we can fully agree on.

 

[Truth7t7]

I have tried the say that to you many times that we shouldn't put labels on each other like Reformed preterist or dispensationalist since agreeing with them on a few things doesn't make us one of them and you kept doing that, anyway. Finally, you seem to understand. Better late than never.

I tried to peacefully agree and you poked me on the way out, humility

It's pointless to go round and round on all of this any further. Agree to disagree.

Yep

Now, that's something we can fully agree on.

OK, Jesus Is The Lord

 

[eclipsenow]

The rest of the New testament is pretty clear that judgement day and the new heavens and new earth and resurrection of the dead all happens together. That revelation 20 seems to space them out by a thousand years indicates more about the type of apocalyptic symbolism that revelation is written in than any kind of future timetable for us to take literally. It's just not literal. It's apocalyptic symbolism and there are dozens of other books written in the same genre between 200 BC and 200 AD. Reading it literally is like reading Romeo and Juliet at the balcony scene where Romeo says Juliet is the sun. Does that mean she's a ball of hydrogen a million miles wide fusing away to generate thousands of degrees on the balcony? I don't think so. This is what happens when we get genres mixed up. So for interpretive principles I would read the rest of the New testament first and use that to guide us when reading revelation. Going the other way is a recipe for disaster and how cults start

 

[Truth7t7]

The rest of the New testament is pretty clear that judgement day and the new heavens and new earth and resurrection of the dead all happens together.

I Agree 100% the scripture repeats this truth again and again to many's denial Rev 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lord's eternal spiritual

That revelation 20 seems to space them out by a thousand years indicates more about the type of apocalyptic symbolism that revelation is written in than any kind of future timetable for us to take literally. It's just not literal. It's apocalyptic symbolism and there are dozens of other books written in the same genre between 200 BC and 200 AD. Reading it literally is like reading Romeo and Juliet at the balcony scene where Romeo says Juliet is the sun. Does that mean she's a ball of hydrogen a million miles wide fusing away to generate thousands of degrees on the balcony? I don't think so.

I Agree 100% well said, "one day is a thousand years" is symbolic of the fact God lives outside of time, eternal

This is what happens when we get genres mixed up. So for interpretive principles I would read the rest of the New testament first and use that to guide us when reading revelation. Going the other way is a recipe for disaster and how cults start

I Agree 100% it's called the cult of Millennialism and the false teaching that a Kingdom on this earth follows the return of Jesus Christ