Rev 14:12, what does it mean?

BobRyan · Jun 8, 2017

bugkiller said:
You cannot quote a single phrase form John's works showing he is promoting the law.

Until you read John 14:15
Until you read Rev 14:12
Until you read 1 John 5:2-3

And of course Hebrew 8:6-10 tells us it was CHRIST speaking the Ten Commandments at Sinai.

No wonder then under the "NEW Covenant" of Jer 31:31-33 "I will write My LAW on their heart and mind".

"do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law" Rom 3:31

"it is not the HEARERS of the LAW that are just before God - but the DOERS of the LAW will be JUSTIFIED... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge" Rom 2:13

bugkiller · Jun 8, 2017

BobRyan said:
Until you read John 14:15

Naw, I read it many times and ask about 15:10 you avoid like the plague.

Until you read Rev 14:12

Naw there is not word ten in the verse. Besides that it would not agree with Johns other works even when you add in 14:15 as above.

Until you read 1 John 5:2-3

Naw because the same letter says very clearly to keep the commands of Jesus. You do not like it either.

And of course Hebrew 8:6-10 tells us it was CHRIST speaking the Ten Commandments at Sinai.

Naw again.

No wonder then under the "NEW Covenant" of Jer 31:31-33 "I will write My LAW on their heart and mind".

That is nothing more than an unassociated phrase form the full sentence showing otherwise.

"do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law" Rom 3:31

I surly do acknowledge the law exists. I do not acknowledge its continued authority. with quote a few verses you continue to ignore.

"it is not the HEARERS of the LAW that are just before God - but the DOERS of the LAW will be JUSTIFIED... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge" Rom 2:13

Problem is the same book says there are no doers. You ignore that too.

bugkiller

Rainrider · Jun 9, 2017

Dkh587 said:
OP, what do you think this verse means? Which commandments of God? It says the devil is angry and goes after the ones that have the testimony of Christ & keep God's commandments.

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Are Christians part of remnant of the seed of the woman?

Not seeing an answer, I thought one should be posted.
The answer is Yes. The testimony of Yeshua (Christ) would mean any one that has Him in their hearts.

Rainrider · Jun 9, 2017

vinsight4u said:
Are you referring to should we keep the sabbath day?
That was given to Israel and the stranger was to keep it if he was in her land. Colossians 2:16 tells how the church is to act as to that day...and Isaiah 66:22-24 shows we will be keeping it when the new earth is here.

Going back over this board, I seen something I must have missed the first time. My I ask, what your take on Colossians 2:16 is? More to the point, why do you think that Sabbath's was used rather just Sabbath? I would also like to know how you came to that understanding.
I have my take on it, and I know it is not popular, Still it is backed by the Bible. The reason we have the plural usage is that Paul was speaking of the Sabbath days that go with the feast. As they are found in Lev. 23. I thank you now for your answer, and may HaShem bless you for the work do in it.

listed · Jun 9, 2017

Rainrider said:
Going back over this board, I seen something I must have missed the first time. My I ask, what your take on Colossians 2:16 is? More to the point, why do you think that Sabbath's was used rather just Sabbath? I would also like to know how you came to that understanding.
I have my take on it, and I know it is not popular, Still it is backed by the Bible. The reason we have the plural usage is that Paul was speaking of the Sabbath days that go with the feast. As they are found in Lev. 23. I thank you now for your answer, and may HaShem bless you for the work do in it.

I think sabbath is plural because it's frequent and also includes the special sabbaths. The weekly sabbath is the first sabbath mentioned in Lev 23.

Rainrider · Jun 9, 2017

listed said:
I think sabbath is plural because it's frequent and also includes the special sabbaths. The weekly sabbath is the first sabbath mentioned in Lev 23.

Never looked at it that way before. You have shown me something new, thank you.

listed · Jun 11, 2017

Rainrider said:
Never looked at it that way before. You have shown me something new, thank you.

Any time. You're welcome.

Rainrider · Jun 11, 2017

listed said:
Any time. You're welcome.

You didn't notice that the post you replied to said the something you did? just worded different.

Rainrider · Jun 11, 2017

bugkiller said:
Naw, I read it many times and ask about 15:10 you avoid like the plague.Naw there is not word ten in the verse. Besides that it would not agree with Johns other works even when you add in 14:15 as above.Naw because the same letter says very clearly to keep the commands of Jesus. You do not like it either.Naw again.That is nothing more than an unassociated phrase form the full sentence showing otherwise.I surly do acknowledge the law exists. I do not acknowledge its continued authority. with quote a few verses you continue to ignore.Problem is the same book says there are no doers. You ignore that too.

bugkiller

How do you reply in this manner? You know with the parts you answer quoted just above your answer to that part. As you did in post 42.

bugkiller · Jun 11, 2017

Rainrider said:
How do you reply in this manner? You know with the parts you answer quoted just above your answer to that part. As you did in post 42.

It is pretty simple. When you respond to a post, have you noticed what precedes your entry? The back slash with the word "quote" in square brackets. When you finish that response you do the same without the back slash. You can go to the more options and play with it till you get it right. Just use the preview before posting.

bugkiller

Rainrider · Jun 11, 2017

bugkiller said:
It is pretty simple. When you respond to a post, have you noticed what precedes your entry? The back slash with the word "quote" in square brackets. When you finish that response you do the same without the back slash. You can go to the more options and play with it till you get it right. Just use the preview before posting.

bugkiller

Thanks will give it a try.

listed · Jun 13, 2017

Rainrider said:
You didn't notice that the post you replied to said the something you did? just worded different.

What post are you talking about?

listed · Jun 13, 2017

Rainrider said:
Thanks will give it a try.

Any time. You're welcome.

Rainrider · Jun 13, 2017

listed said:
What post are you talking about?

Post # 44 and 45

Rainrider · Jun 13, 2017

Rainrider said:
Thanks will give it a try.

Took one try and I got it down. Thank you for the help. NOw I can stop bugging you about it.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jun 13, 2017

listed said:
Kindly explain Rev 14:12. I don't see anything about the ten commandments in the verse. No where in any of John's writings do we find the ten commandments are required for the Christian. The Gospel of John is very different from the others.

This seems like such an odd statement for anyone who follows Jesus to say.

bugkiller · Jun 13, 2017

yeshuaslavejeff said:
This seems like such an odd statement for anyone who follows Jesus to say.

Why is that so odd?

bugkiller

BobRyan · Jun 14, 2017

Rainrider said:
Going back over this board, I seen something I must have missed the first time. My I ask, what your take on Colossians 2:16 is? More to the point, why do you think that Sabbath's was used rather just Sabbath? I would also like to know how you came to that understanding.

"Sabbaths" is used because in Lev 23 you have a list of annual holy days - "Sabbaths" that are given "in sacrifices" pointing forward as shadows - to the death of Christ.

I have my take on it, and I know it is not popular, Still it is backed by the Bible. The reason we have the plural usage is that Paul was speaking of the Sabbath days that go with the feast. As they are found in Lev. 23. I thank you now for your answer, and may HaShem bless you for the work do in it.

ok well then - agreed.

BobRyan · Jun 14, 2017

Dkh587 said:
It says the dragon is wroth with those who keep the commandments of God & have the testimony of Christ.

Revelation 12:17 says commandments, meaning more than 1. 1 John 3:23 is 1 command. So the writer in Revelation isn't talking about 1 single command. What commands is the writer referring to?

I believe Jesus kept the law, and I believe he taught his followers to do the same. Paul took a vow in Acts 21 to show that he himself kept the law, and that he wasn't teaching the law was done away with.

All throughout Matthew 5 he is teaching from the law & prophets & writings(Tanach/Old Testament). Also Matthew 23:1-2 showing Messiah teaching everybody(the crowds + his disciples) to obey God's commands(the law). He was speaking to the general public and fully teaching the Torah & the Prophets.

Very good point.

Jesus is the one that gave us the TEN Commandments as even in the NT reminds us in Hebrews 8:6-10.

"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
A quote of "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Exodus 20:6'

Commandments where the 5th Commandment "Is the FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

bugkiller · Jun 14, 2017

yeshuaslavejeff said:
This seems like such an odd statement for anyone who follows Jesus to say.

How so?

bugkiller

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