Responding to WHY were they not healed

[now faith]

Responding only to:

"Your faith is absolute when it comes to salvation,but uncertain when it comes to the other promises of God."

TRUE statement. And the REASON for that is exceedingly simple.

God favored me with CONVICTION OF SIN, which was a revelation to me (a "Rhema Word" if you follow the Hagan terminology) and that was the Source of Faith TO ME PERSONALLY - the Word of God to ME. and when I repented and surrendered, there was the witness of the Holy Spirit to my spirit that I'd passed from DEATH into life. Faith that's based on the revealed Word (Hagin would say the "Rhema Word") is fixed on an absolutely solid foundation.

And it's NOT true that my "Faith" is "uncertain" when it comes to the "Other promises".

I'm completely certain that I have NO FAITH whatsoever, that God has any intention of healing my coronary issues - PERIOD. And so there's absolutely NOTHING to claim in faith.

FAITH KNOWS - Presumption "pretends to know" - but doesn't.

I've got the "Logos Word" that tells me intellectually that He HEALS, and that physical restoration is IN the atonement. But there's no "Rhema" that would indicate to me that He INTENDS to do anything about my physical condition.

Simple as that.

God did not favor you,John 3:16 states whosoever.

God is no Respecter of persons.

If God gives a Rhema word it is a undeniable Word of knowledge about a subject,it can be a gift such as the Spirit of seeing and knowing.

Every one on earth knows they need atonement you are born with it,the Holy Spirit draws it is a free will choice to accept Christ or harden your heart and hold to the flesh.
The rich young ruler could do anything but give up his wealth.

With others it is there mad at God or they will not give up worldly pleasures.

This last week a man was on life support.

Brain cancer,his son made the trip 1000 miles to see him one last time.

The mans family is not known for being religous.

Someone 1000 miles away did not know what to pray for not knowing if he was saved or not.

Praying in tongues they bid God if he is not saved give him one more chance,since he is only
In his 40s

They unplugged him,he did not die.

They told him hospice would help him.

He rose up and said no I will go to my house.

So we have a man who they thought would die as soon as they unplugged him.

And on his own power went home.

Thank God for prayers of faith.

 

[hhodgson]

I'm completely certain that I have NO FAITH whatsoever, that God has any intention of healing my coronary issues - PERIOD. And so there's absolutely NOTHING to claim in faith.

FAITH KNOWS - Presumption "pretends to know" - but doesn't.

I've got the "Logos Word" that tells me intellectually that He HEALS, and that physical restoration is IN the atonement. But there's no "Rhema" that would indicate to me that He INTENDS to do anything about my physical condition.

Simple as that.

Wow...I wish I could park here a little but other responsibilities this morning must be done, so all I have now is some thoughts about Rhema...

Several Greek words are used for the "word" of God. The Greek word used here is "RHEMA," and it literally means a spoken word--specifically, a spoken word appropriate for your situation. It's not the Bible lying on your coffee table that makes the Enemy flee; it is the Word of God hidden in your heart, activated by the power of the Holy Spirit, and spoken in an appropriate situation. It's similar to what Jesus said in John 6:63--"The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." Eph 6:17 is not speaking of a book, but it's speaking of a book as a RHEMA; i.e., the words we speak that come from the written Word of God and empowered by the Holy Spirit. The Word by itself doesn't make us free. It is the Word we know and speak that will deliver us (John 8:32).

It's same as revelation knowledge which simply means the written word in a particular situation were facing is "NOW" being "revealed" to us like it never has before. Our faith has developed to that knowledge which has been revealed to me. Now, that word jumped off the page and SPOKE to me and it's now hidden in my heart. The devil will steal no more of that knowledge that I just received in my "spirit" and become Rhema. It's not "new" by any means, just new to me in which the revelation of that Word this time just jumps into my heart that I never seen or heard before. It's mine now, so I apply my faith to that revealed SPOKEN word and receive His healing touch that was already provided. Now, I speak to my situation the words that God just SPOKE to me through the now revealed knowledge of the word. Now, that SPOKEN word is mine. All I need is to apply that grain of mustard seed faith to grab His provision for me in every area of our walk...Faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word, so let that revealed knowledge (already there in the Word.) of the (new to me) "SPOKEN" word touch my body and receive...

Gotta run, for now... Be Blessed! I hope there's enough here for the basis of your faith...

Greater works...
_____________
Harry

 

[Bob Carabbio]

"The Word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith."

Yup - that's the KEY to the issue. Intellectual knowledge/assent is NOT "Faith" (although some folks seem to think it is).

 

[now faith]

Lord!

Now I get why so many friends don't even bother to
Take part any more.

I really do not know what Bob C is trying to get across here.

Is it our Preachers?

Is some of us?

Could it be discontent?

I could go over to LDS and debate till the cows come home.

Sure I could but what would it profit?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Of course you're saying all the SAME THINGS here that I've been saying here ALL ALONG.

Rhema (From Rheo - to pour forth) can be understood as a "Living Word" - a "Spoken Word".

Logos (From Lego - to "lay") apparently is a "Static" word. There's a comparison of terms in Mat 12:

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word (Rhema) that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words (Logos) thou shalt be justified, and by thy words (Logos) thou shalt be condemned.

So when you SPEAK IT it's "Rhema", and when you write it in the record, and read it later, it's "Logos".

The USAGE, however of "Logos" and "Rhema" in the Word is NOT consistent, however, so making a HARD DOCTRINE about that is dangerous.

Hagin NAMED HIS SCHOOL according to HIS belief about the grammar, and TO ME, there's the ring of truth - Gal 3:

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

AND of course the 'ol "Romans road" Scripture Rom 10:

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

If you're HEARING - there must be someone SPEAKING, don'cha know.

The ISSUE, however, comes in if you HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING specific to your situation. I'm dying of coronary artery disease. And I haven't "Heard" anything from God, or from the Word having about any intention to heal me of that condition.

I COULD grab a handy "Logos" (Maybe Ps 103:2,3) and PRETEND TO BELIEVE "WITHOUT DOUBT" as Mark 11:23 teaches - as I've been instructed to do by "WoF" adherents here and in other places.

But that's nothing more than "Presumption", and we both know it.

Simple as that.

 

[now faith]

Of course you're saying all the SAME THINGS here that I've been saying here ALL ALONG.

Rhema (From Rheo - to pour forth) can be understood as a "Living Word" - a "Spoken Word".

Logos (From Lego - to "lay") apparently is a "Static" word. There's a comparison of terms in Mat 12:

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word (Rhema) that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words (Logos) thou shalt be justified, and by thy words (Logos) thou shalt be condemned.

So when you SPEAK IT it's "Rhema", and when you write it in the record, and read it later, it's "Logos".

The USAGE, however of "Logos" and "Rhema" in the Word is NOT consistent, however, so making a HARD DOCTRINE about that is dangerous.

Hagin NAMED HIS SCHOOL according to HIS belief about the grammar, and TO ME, there's the ring of truth - Gal 3:

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

AND of course the 'ol "Romans road" Scripture Rom 10:

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

If you're HEARING - there must be someone SPEAKING, don'cha know.

The ISSUE, however, comes in if you HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING specific to your situation. I'm dying of coronary artery disease. And I haven't "Heard" anything from God, or from the Word having about any intention to heal me of that condition.

I COULD grab a handy "Logos" (Maybe Ps 103:2,3) and PRETEND TO BELIEVE "WITHOUT DOUBT" as Mark 11:23 teaches - as I've been instructed to do by "WoF" adherents here and in other places.

But that's nothing more than "Presumption", and we both know it.

Simple as that.

Bob you are a great man of God,given your life to the Ministeries.

You are respected and loved by many.

Paul said to die is gain,but he had not fulfilled his mission at that time.

Paul knew what glory was to come,he said to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

Personally I do not believe we die until we are ready to,we run the race and if there are miles left we keep going.

But for sure we all will die,unless Christ returns before.

Either way the Christian wins.

2 Corinthians 4:15 For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God. 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. 4:17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

We are in this world,and are subject to its afflictions.

By faith we have won the victory over death hell and the grave.

Can you imagine a man in his 40s on life support not knowing what he is facing,in the blink of a eye?

We do our best to honor Gods Word,to comprehend what is the truth.

We are only earthly men and women living between two worlds by faith.

Glory to God its not eternity,its a mortal lifetime.

All will be revealed to us soon.

1 Corinthians 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

But Bob most likely we will be debating faith for years to come,as stubborn as you are

 

[hhodgson]

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

AND of course the 'ol "Romans road" Scripture Rom 10:

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

If you're HEARING - there must be someone SPEAKING, don'cha know.

The ISSUE, however, comes in if you HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING specific to your situation. I'm dying of coronary artery disease. And I haven't "Heard" anything from God, or from the Word having about any intention to heal me of that condition.

I COULD grab a handy "Logos" (Maybe Ps 103:2,3) and PRETEND TO BELIEVE "WITHOUT DOUBT" as Mark 11:23 teaches - as I've been instructed to do by "WoF" adherents here and in other places.

But that's nothing more than "Presumption", and we both know it.

Simple as that.

Hi Bob...(Psst...Why are you so bullheaded?)

Let's start with Ps 103:2,3
Bless the Lord, O my soul.
And forget not all His benefits:
(a) Who forgives all your iniquities,
(b) Who heals all your diseases.

What are you missing? (forget NOT all His benefits)

Wasn't (a) completed at Calvary?
Wasn't (b) completed at the whipping post?

And speaking of the 'ol "Romans road"..!
How did you receive (a)..? You got born-again...And how did that happen?

ROMANS 10:14​

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not HEARD? and how shall they HEAR without a preacher?


You got saved by "hearing" the Word "somewhere" AND you "believed and received"... correct.? (not a difficult question, Bob) (for that you get a double)

You get "healed" the same way, right?, right?

you GET healed the SAME WAY as you GOT saved...Romans 10:17 (again)
"Faith cometh by HEARING and HEARING AND HEARING AND HEARING AND HEARING the word of God...


You have to HEAR to get saved...you HEARD, and BELIEVED, and RECEIVED AND... YOU got "saved."
You have to HEAR to get healed..you HEARD, (God's still waiting) so BELIEVE, and RECIEVE YOUR "healing."


(a) you get saved by faith, not presumption
(b) you get healed by faith, not presumption.

Where, our friend, are WE missing it..........?​

I'm going to use your little quote, that you love..."Simple as that."​

If you are "playing" us Bob, (but WE think your very serious) at least were having some fun, (at your expense, of-course) however, we can all agree that THIS is not a laughing matter...AND, I think you have to agree that getting saved, and healed, and delivered are done "the same way." THE HEARING of FAITH in which you have HEARD for years by Word of Faith and others.​

If you're HEARING - there must be someone SPEAKING, don'cha know.

The ISSUE, however, comes in if you HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING specific to your situation. I'm dying of coronary artery disease. And I haven't "Heard" anything from God, or from the Word having about any intention to heal me of that condition.

God is speaking to you right now.

John 6:63
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the WORDS that I SPEAK UNTO YOU, (Bob Carabbio) they are spirit, and they are life." (don'cha know.)

"This IS the issue." RECEIVE "NOW" what you are HEARING "NOW"
through the Word of God, that we are "preaching" and "teaching," "NOW" in this forum to WHOSOEVER understands.

Bob...my coffee is getting cold..."You will HEAR God better if you take your hearing aids out...

One of "our" favorite words is Word of Faith.
One of "your" favorite words is "PRESUMPTION." Please remove it from your vocabulary. (for your sake)

Hmm..! I love these smilies, but, am I using too many..?

Sorry, (another one !) about the rambling...And, please don't fall asleep reading this...

I hope I have enough energy left to watch the Ohio State Buckeyes play.. (One more smiley for the road.)


Greater works...(believe it or not, we are your friends..Simple as that.
_____________
Harry

 

[Truthfrees]

Responding only to:

"Your faith is absolute when it comes to salvation,but uncertain when it comes to the other promises of God."

TRUE statement. And the REASON for that is exceedingly simple.

God favored me with CONVICTION OF SIN, which was a revelation to me (a "Rhema Word" if you follow the Hagan terminology) and that was the Source of Faith TO ME PERSONALLY - the Word of God to ME. and when I repented and surrendered, there was the witness of the Holy Spirit to my spirit that I'd passed from DEATH into life. Faith that's based on the revealed Word (Hagin would say the "Rhema Word") is fixed on an absolutely solid foundation.

And it's NOT true that my "Faith" is "uncertain" when it comes to the "Other promises".

I'm completely certain that I have NO FAITH whatsoever, that God has any intention of healing my coronary issues - PERIOD. And so there's absolutely NOTHING to claim in faith.

FAITH KNOWS - Presumption "pretends to know" - but doesn't.

I've got the "Logos Word" that tells me intellectually that He HEALS, and that physical restoration is IN the atonement. But there's no "Rhema" that would indicate to me that He INTENDS to do anything about my physical condition.

Simple as that.

The Lord gave to every man the measure of faith for all His promises. He doesn't grace you with faith for salvation and leave you suffering in need of healing.

ALL promises of the Lord are for whosoever wills. The enemy has convinced you that some of the promises are for you and others aren't. He's trying to steal the logos on healing, to make you a "whosoever-won't" on the issue of healing.

WOF believers have these kind of issues to deal with too. We deal with it the same way Abram did.

Abram heard and believed the logos on several promises from the Lord, BUT in Genesis 15, Abram heard the logos on one certain promise, and had trouble believing that one. He asked the Lord how that one logos promise could be true.

Because Abram asked for help to believe that logos, the Lord gave Abram instructions on steps to take to convince him that this logos was just as true as the other logos. In Genesis 15, Romans 4, Galatians 3, James 2, it says Abram was convinced.

Logos words are true. You don't have to wait for a rhema word to believe it's true, BUT if you consider your physical condition more real than the logos, and waver at the promise, the Lord will help you just as He helped Abram.

BUT you have to do as Abram did. Ask the Lord how the logos you need can be true for you. I guarantee the Lord WILL convince you each of His logos promises IS for you, if you diligently seek Him.

"I love those who love me, And those who seek me diligently will find me." - Proverbs 8:17

"He who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him." - Hebrews 11:6

"Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations&#8221 in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did; 18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.” 19 And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb. 20 He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform." - Romans 4:17-21

Genesis 15 tells how the Lord strengthened Abram's faith, and caused him to consider the logos promise more powerful than his physical condition.

 

[Truthfrees]

"For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us." - 2 Corinthians 1:20 NKJV

"For as many as are the promises of God, they all find their Yes [answer] in Him [Christ]. For this reason we also utter the Amen (so be it) to God through Him [in His Person and by His agency] to the glory of God." - AMP

"For however many promises God has made, they all find their “Yes” in connection with him; that is why it is through him that we say the “Amen” when we give glory to God." - CJB

"Christ says “Yes” to all of God’s promises. That’s why we have Christ to say “Amen” for us to the glory of God." - CEV

"Certainly, Christ made God’s many promises come true. For that reason, because of our message, people also honor God by saying, “Amen!”" - GW

"He carries out and fulfills all of God’s promises, no matter how many of them there are; and we have told everyone how faithful he is, giving glory to his name." - TLB

"Whatever God has promised gets stamped with the Yes of Jesus. In him, this is what we preach and pray, the great Amen, God’s Yes and our Yes together, gloriously evident." - MSG

"For no matter how many promises God has made, they are “Yes” in Christ. And so through him the “Amen” is spoken by us to the glory of God." - NIV

"For all of God’s promises have been fulfilled in Christ with a resounding “Yes!” And through Christ, our “Amen” (which means “Yes”) ascends to God for his glory." - NLT

 

[now faith]

Great word,Truthfrees.

So much harder to build up than tear down.

I wonder how many Christians today,take part in a fellowship with the Lord?

To walk each day and never stop being amazed at the small things he does in our lives.

I cannot tell you the miracles you miss without a fellowship.

Simple things we take for granted,if we stop and look at the odds of them working we would never doubt
again.

I wont bore you all,with the provision of this week alone,but just one.

My friend a Christian not W.O.F.was in need of a weight bench.

He has limited funds,and I thought I had one in my warehouse.

So I told him he could have it,he was elated to get one so quickly.

I called my warehouse Forman and he told me some one sold it.

I was disheartened at telling Mike there was no bench,so instead I was going to buy one.

This morning I went to a job site,where a daughter was moving in with her mother and organizing things.

There set a brand new bench just like the one he needed.

I asked if she was selling it,she replied oh no John take it its in my way.

Considering the age of the people where I live and the 7000 sq ft gym here,you never see weight benches here in their homes!

I dropped it by mikes house he praised God and thanked me,he got a free bench and I did not have to pay
for it.

Consider this someone had stolen the bench I had paid for and kept the money.

In essence they stole my seed.

God returned it to me the next day,a newer better suited one for Mike.

What are the odds of this just being happenstance?

These things happen in my life all the time,and I know it is my Father in heaven restoring what was lost,
So I could provide a blessing to someone in need.

I did not pray for it asking God to help.

Once you have a friend in Jesus,a fellowship with God,you know why things happen.

You come to know if he carers so much about the small things,when major problems arise,how much more does he care for our wellbeing.

I would advise every one to give thanks for the small things.

To seek a fellowship with God daily.

Once you understand your Gods will is for our needs,wants ,and desires to be met,because we are his sons,you will start to see that mountain starting to move.

 

[now faith]

Thanks Giving.

Three years ago,I spent Thanksgiving with people I hardly knew.

By way of a horrible divorce,I found my self living in a 11x15 bedroom as a border.

The business I worked for all my life had been taken away,and placed in huge debt.

There were times I stayed in sleazy motels,in the middle of the night the police raided my room,with spotlights yelling looking for drugs.
Staggering in my under ware showing my I.d. they would leave.

Falsely accused and not served a summons,a judge put out a warrant for my arrest
I spent 15 hrs in jail in lock down for being guilty of nothing.
They took all my money in my wallet and said you pay when your in jail.
I had turned myself in,in hopes of them knowing I did not get a summons.

I could have hated been bitter,but my God showed me the way.
I forgave everyone who caused me harm,I trusted God.

Soon I got my business back awarded in court by a judge.

So much debt,yet trusted God.
By that time my love of my life my new christian wife and I were in agreement in faith.

Every day praising God,giving,tithing and enjoying his presence.

The business is restored,my children are restored and people love my wife and I throughout our community.

Six months ago as I was driving in one of the higher end districts,praising God
I said lord I sure would love to own one of these houses,I know you will provide.

Well if my faith was based on what was in my bank account,I could as well been thinking a rental forever,which we were blessed to live in at the time.

Yesterday we closed on the purchase, of a 2500 sq ft house in that same district I claimed six months before, bless his holy name forever.

Sitting a the office of the closing,I was in awe praising God.

A still small voice said to me, this is only the beginning!

How great is our God,how much love abounds toward us.

I wanted to share this,I want to stand on my house top and share he good news.

God is our shield our strength,and loved us so much he died for us.

He raised from death to life eternal for us.

I just want to give him the Glory and praise forever more.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

"You got saved by "hearing" the Word "somewhere" AND you "believed and received"... correct.?"

Actually it was the expression on the face of a man who'd just gotten saved.

When we moved to Houston back in '62, the apartment we rented was across the Hall from a Baptist Bible student (Texas Bible Institute) and his wife. He'd put a down payment on an apartment closer to the school., and was preparing to move out - but

God told him (the hearing of faith) that "those kids that just moved in were now HIS problem", and he shouldn't move till we were spiritually O.K. SO he lost his deposit, and stayed put. In few weeks, he invited my roommate over for coffee and cookies, and led him, and his wife to the Lord.

And when I got home that night (from shooting pool) he'd been saved about an hour, and his FACE was what "broke me". It was ALL there - JOY unspeakable, Peace 1000 miles deep. so, of course, I made fun of him and went to bed. I KNEW, however, that the story wasn't over.

And the next day after work, he said we had to talk, and God showed up BIG TIME and convicted me of my SIN (The Hearing of faith), and simply "BLEW AWAY" all my rationalizations. "Belief" wasn't an issue at all - I KNEW with absolute FAITH that I was a hell-bound sinner, and that If I ran away (as I had before), that I was a dead man. I KNEW that I had to do something when HIS Conviction was there, and I didn't know if He'd bring it again - it had been years since the last time.

It was kind of funny, really - Pete had never seen the inside of a Bible in his life, and all he HAD was his partial memory of what the fellow had told him the night before. That wasn't important, though. Under the conviction of the Holy Spirit, all that mattered was "Getting saved" (whatever that meant), so I cried out to Him to save me - and He did, and everything changed - and I was new. ANd the FAITH that showed me my hopeless state - Now bore witness with my spirit that I was a Child of God.

Bottom line -it wasn't Intellectual belief that really had anything to do with "Getting saved", but a response to FAITH/conviction of SIN that God supplied. i.e. "Ye are saved by FAITH and that not of yourself - it's the gift of God".

You get "healed" the same way, right?, right?

I assume so. The Bible is FULL of "salvation verses", Romans 1-8 (and 3:23) is there as big as life and it doesn't MEAN SPIT - until the Holy Spirit "opens your eyes" about it - (the Hearing of FAITH).

It's logical that Healing (or anything else of a "FAITH" nature) would also predicate on a Spiritual communication of the same nature.

Simple as that.

Since my Granddaughter (now 21) is dating an A&M Corpsman, Those are the games (and Johnny Manzell) we watch every weekend. I was living in Columbus in the "Glory days" when Woody was still there, and Bo was still running Michigan, though.

Every year when they'd play Michigan, the Columbus Police would threaten a strike for better pay, since everybody knew that the "Buckeye fans" would burn, vandalize, and generally destroy High Street where the campus was - either because they'd won and were happy, or because they had lost and they were angry. The destruction was the same either way.

 

[now faith]

Bob not just for you,but for everyone.

Do you think that when a person comes to the point they know for sure,the truth of salvation and their on a highway to hell,that invokes a far greater faith?

Sometimes the question: well you believe in salvation why not healing,may be not as logical as it appears.

Illness may be one of those little foxes.

A person gets sick but still lives and gets by.

They know even in death their life will be with the Lord.

Thats not as serious as eternity in hell,its only death.

We do not fear death being in the body of Christ,we know our home is in heaven.

Could we be satisfied and complete by salvation,and look the other way on affliction?

 

[Truthfrees]

Great word,Truthfrees.

So much harder to build up than tear down.

I wonder how many Christians today,take part in a fellowship with the Lord?

To walk each day and never stop being amazed at the small things he does in our lives.

I cannot tell you the miracles you miss without a fellowship.

Simple things we take for granted,if we stop and look at the odds of them working we would never doubt
again.

I wont bore you all,with the provision of this week alone,but just one.

My friend a Christian not W.O.F.was in need of a weight bench.

He has limited funds,and I thought I had one in my warehouse.

So I told him he could have it,he was elated to get one so quickly.

I called my warehouse Forman and he told me some one sold it.

I was disheartened at telling Mike there was no bench,so instead I was going to buy one.

This morning I went to a job site,where a daughter was moving in with her mother and organizing things.

There set a brand new bench just like the one he needed.

I asked if she was selling it,she replied oh no John take it its in my way.

Considering the age of the people where I live and the 7000 sq ft gym here,you never see weight benches here in their homes!

I dropped it by mikes house he praised God and thanked me,he got a free bench and I did not have to pay
for it.

Consider this someone had stolen the bench I had paid for and kept the money.

In essence they stole my seed.

God returned it to me the next day,a newer better suited one for Mike.

What are the odds of this just being happenstance?

These things happen in my life all the time,and I know it is my Father in heaven restoring what was lost,
So I could provide a blessing to someone in need.

I did not pray for it asking God to help.

Once you have a friend in Jesus,a fellowship with God,you know why things happen.

You come to know if he carers so much about the small things,when major problems arise,how much more does he care for our wellbeing.

I would advise every one to give thanks for the small things.

To seek a fellowship with God daily.

Once you understand your Gods will is for our needs,wants ,and desires to be met,because we are his sons,you will start to see that mountain starting to move.

I think encouraging each other to draw near to the Lord and consult with Him on everything, would help us grow in faith to receive what He promised us.

Left to our own understanding, we can get off-track fast, with unscriptural ideas the devil tricks us into.

I used to make foolish mistakes in abundance until I learned to ask the Lord about everything.

He's good at explaining His own scriptures, and the steps He wants me to take. As long as I take the time to ask, AND wait to hear His answers.

BTW, I enjoyed both your testimony posts #90, #91.

 

[now faith]

I think encouraging each other to draw near to the Lord and consult with Him on everything, would help us grow in faith to receive what He has promised us.

Left to our own understanding, we can get off-track fast, with unscriptural ideas the devil tricks us into.

I used to make foolish mistakes in abundance until I learned to ask the Lord about everything.

He's good at explaining His own scriptures, and the steps He wants me to take. As long as I take the time to ask, AND wait to hear His answers.

Amen.

What people are blind to,is the signs and wonders are greater than that of Christ day.

We walk in greater works by the Holy Spirit.

But people are still expecting a Preacher or miracle worker to do it for them.

They want Christ himself to lay hands on them,then its enough for them to shout.

By Christ in US we have far greater power than when he walked the earth.

My above post is the truth and I am no genius,so what was my testimony?

It was a mighty movement of God restoring one mans life.

A sign a wonder that people are looking for and don't realize they are happening every day.

God is the same forever,but now he is not a man walking through Christ all have access,all can touch the hem of his garment at the same time!

We for 2000 years have been living in the most blessed time the earth has ever known.

Satan has blinded the children to not recieved the greatest gift God has given to mankind.

Lord Jesus I wish I could type in tongues for people to get hold of what they all ready have.

They have all the wealth in the world all the everything in the world.
We are sons we are set in heavenly places with God Abba.

This is the greater works Christ taught us to believe ,but we just are blind.

Lord! What does I can do all things through Christ mean???

We don't even know how many times the power of God saved us on the roads in our cars.

We take everything God has done for granted,and are so blind do not recognize a mighty work of God when it happens.

We use about as much faith as the size of a atom.

We have more faith in a idiot politician than God, wheres your change now?

I just gotta stop.

 

[now faith]

Religion is idolatry,religion puts pride before truth,religion is of its father the devil.

Religous pride has blinded mankind and has stolen Eden once again from mankind.

 

[Truthfrees]

I agree with both posts.

For me, the 3 things that made the hugest change in my life AFTER being saved and baptized in the Spirit, is:

1. listening to WOF teachers,
2. studying scripture,
3. AND consulting with the Lord on the teachings and the scripture to get His step by step instructions on how He wants me to implement scripture truth.

At first I did 1 and 2, with good results, but when I added 3, the miracles started happening daily.

WOF teachers are ordained of the Lord to help me, but the Lord is the only one who can lead me step by step into victory.

 

[graham staffordshire]

Watchman nee wrote a good book on Job and put it in its proper context. Any one remember the Hunters?.
The world could do with a manifestation of the sons of God!
God heals and we get to pray. The wonder is when you know how it's brilliant!
In love
Graham

 

[hhodgson]

Watchman nee wrote a good book on Job and put it in its proper context. Any one remember the Hunters?.
The world could do with a manifestation of the sons of God!
God heals and we get to pray. The wonder is when you know how it's brilliant!
In love
Graham

Welcome Graham to our "home" in the Word of Faith forum. Hope you enjoy your stay here...


Greater works...
_____________
Harry

 

[hhodgson]

Bottom line -it wasn't Intellectual belief that really had anything to do with "Getting saved", but a response to FAITH/conviction of SIN that God supplied. i.e. "Ye are saved by FAITH and that not of yourself - it's the gift of God".

The Bible is FULL of "salvation verses", Romans 1-8 (and 3:23) is there as big as life and it doesn't MEAN SPIT - until the Holy Spirit "opens your eyes" about it - (the Hearing of FAITH).

Nice testimony Bob..I would like to share a testimony of a guy in our (back then) church who thought he was saved until he found out it was all presumption on his part.

Back in the early 80s in the AoG church my family attended and in numerous occasions, our pastor would have all of us deacons line up front to minister to the ones coming up for prayer. As we were all ministering, one of the deacons was led in the "spirit" to go up to one man in the congregation, who has been there for years, who was also involved in some of the church functions.

My deacon friend (Jack) went up to him and said that he witnessed in his spirit that he was not saved. They both went up to the alter and this man received Christ in his heart. He thought all along that he was saved and intellectually, he had everything down pat, so he thought...He only had presumption that he was saved. Now, the joy was all over him.

How many "possibly" millions of others in good bible believing churches are just going through the same motions, and not really saved, as this one brother was. A few years later, this brother became a pastor himself, and was led to another church. He was genuinely saved by grace through faith.

It's logical that Healing (or anything else of a "FAITH" nature) would also predicate on a Spiritual communication of the same nature.

If I may add to your ending sentence...(As long as the foundational truth of the spiritual communication is based on the written word of God that "speaks" to you. (hearing the spoken word.) Agreed?


Greater works...
_____________
Harry