Resources on Evolution

[xianghua]

Sure.

Phylogenetic tree - Wikipedia

That's a phylogenetic tree that's been generated by an automated process based on a huge database of fully sequenced genomes of many many species.

its just a phylogenetic tree. we can get this tree in any case, even if evolution is false. its just a comparison of genetic difference\similarity between each other. this is your evidence for evolution? realy?

You can obtain the same tree by tracing specific genes,

by checking any gene we will get the same tree?

 

[46AND2]

No. That definition is overloaded. I just want to simplify it and make the critical factor explicit.

It's a very simple definition.

It is the environment which change the direction of evolution. Correct?

It is the biggest factor, but not the only one. Please get to the point.

 

[juvenissun]

Well, it seems that everyone has adequately addressed your questions.

Darwin dedicated large parts of his book to the effects of environmental pressures. I can only assume that you were feigning ignorance when you asked...

"So evolution is "controlled" by environment. Right?
If so, why not add this critical condition to the definition of evolution?"

So what are you "good" at exactly? feigning ignorance, trolling?

What you are not good at is justifying your criticisms of nested hierarchies as evidence of evolution. I notice you have still refused to answer my question.

As I said, I accept your refusal to offer any meaningful response as a tacit admission that you were wrong.

I thought you understand evolution.
We are only talking about it definition.

 

[juvenissun]

Evolution goes in the direction of improved adaptation to the existing environment. I'm not sure what you mean by "back and forth" in that context.

I think you should know that the environment of the earth only go back and forth between hot/cold; dry/wet; etc. I think you understand that. Environmental conditions do not go from one end toward the other end continuously.

If environment has a critical control on the direction of evolution, then what should the history of evolution should look like? Do we see that?

What I see is that the evolution process shew its own mind and environment did nothing to the trend of evolution.

 

[Brightmoon]

I think you should know that the environment of the earth only go back and forth between hot/cold; dry/wet; etc. I think you understand that. Environmental conditions do not go from one end toward the other end continuously.

If environment has a critical control on the direction of evolution, then what should the history of evolution should look like? Do we see that?

What I see is that the evolution process shew its own mind and environment did nothing to the trend of evolution.

juvie , what does this word salad even mean ? Environments change because plate tectonics moves the continents around . They also bump into each other which raises mountains and Oceans form and close up . All of this affects the organisms on the continents. Without the continual change of evolution, life would just die off as it wouldn’t be able to adjust to the changes

I’ve never yet met a creationist who understood that

 

[Speedwell]

I think you should know that the environment of the earth only go back and forth between hot/cold; dry/wet; etc. I think you understand that. Environmental conditions do not go from one end toward the other end continuously.

The only environment that evolution has to deal with is the environment to which the current varied living members of a species are exposed. That is the environment which does the selecting of the current generation. Whatever happens after that depends on the subsequent generation having variants which can survive in the changed environment.

If environment has a critical control on the direction of evolution, then what should the history of evolution should look like? Do we see that?

That is exactly what we see.

What I see is that the evolution process shew its own mind and environment did nothing to the trend of evolution.

Then why are creatures so well adapted to their present environments?

 

[Speedwell]

juvie , what does this word salad even mean ? Environments change because plate tectonics moves the continents around . They also bump into each other which raises mountains and Oceans form and close up . All of this affects the organisms on the continents. Without the continual change of evolution, life would just die off as it wouldn’t be able to adjust to the changes

I’ve never yet met a creationist who understood that

It doesn't even have to be global. A sub-population of a species may merely wander into the next valley where the climate, food or predators are different.

 

[46AND2]

I think you should know that the environment of the earth only go back and forth between hot/cold; dry/wet; etc. I think you understand that. Environmental conditions do not go from one end toward the other end continuously.

If environment has a critical control on the direction of evolution, then what should the history of evolution should look like? Do we see that?

What I see is that the evolution process shew its own mind and environment did nothing to the trend of evolution.

Juve, Besides how Speedwell and Brightmoon explained how you are so very wrong, it wasn't even necessary for them to do that....the fact that the frequency of alleles in a population is affected by environment is OBSERVED. It's a fact, Juve.

 

[juvenissun]

juvie , what does this word salad even mean ? Environments change because plate tectonics moves the continents around . They also bump into each other which raises mountains and Oceans form and close up . All of this affects the organisms on the continents. Without the continual change of evolution, life would just die off as it wouldn’t be able to adjust to the changes

I’ve never yet met a creationist who understood that

I am trying to let evolutionist see the problem of evolution.

 

[juvenissun]

Juve, Besides how Speedwell and Brightmoon explained how you are so very wrong, it wasn't even necessary for them to do that....the fact that the frequency of alleles in a population is affected by environment is OBSERVED. It's a fact, Juve.

That is what exactly the problem for you and other evolutionists.
In the Cenozoic time, the earth's temperature keep dropping to the lowest temperature now. Do we see any fossil record echoed this very critical environmental change? In the Pleistocene time, glaciation and interglaciation cycle repeated tens of times. Do we see any fossil record that reflects this very significant environmental change?

The answer is that we do not. Fossil record simply show a trend which passed right through these environmental changes.

You do not have to argue. Just keep these facts in your mind when you reckon the process you have so much faith in. It does not work.

Do you like to have another example to show the impotence of evolution?

 

[46AND2]

1. This is just false. Of course we see changes in the Cenozoic and Pleistocene fossil record.

2. What does this have to do with the definition i presented for evolution?

 

[DogmaHunter]

its just a phylogenetic tree.

"just" a tree.... a tree that happens to be exactly what evolution would predict it would be.

we can get this tree in any case, even if evolution is false.

There is no reason to have this specific pattern, in a world where evolution is false.
If evolution is true, only this specific pattern could exist.

The point.

its just a comparison of genetic difference\similarity between each other.

And it ends up resulting in the exact pattern that should exist if evolution is true.

this is your evidence for evolution? realy?

Yes. It's also such evidence that shows that your mother is your actual biological mother.
It is the only possibly outcome if evolution is true.
There is also not a single reason why this pattern would exist if evolution is false.
In fact, if anything, it is the very last pattern one would expect, if evolution is false.

by checking any gene we will get the same tree?

For the most part, yes.
There are known and expected exceptions.
Like genes getting lost in one lineage while still showing up in 2 or more other lineages.
Like genes being the result of horizontal gene transfer.

But for the most part, yes, it will result in the same tree.

 

[ThievingMagpie]

I think you should know that the environment of the earth only go back and forth between hot/cold; dry/wet; etc. I think you understand that. Environmental conditions do not go from one end toward the other end continuously.

If environment has a critical control on the direction of evolution, then what should the history of evolution should look like? Do we see that?

What I see is that the evolution process shew its own mind and environment did nothing to the trend of evolution.

Hi, I took from this that you expect the fossil record to show a continuous change of a single lineage going back and forth between say a polar bear and a camel based on environment - is that correct? If so, why would you expect that?

 

[DogmaHunter]

I think you should know that the environment of the earth only go back and forth between hot/cold; dry/wet; etc. I think you understand that. Environmental conditions do not go from one end toward the other end continuously.

If environment has a critical control on the direction of evolution, then what should the history of evolution should look like? Do we see that?

What I see is that the evolution process shew its own mind and environment did nothing to the trend of evolution.

You must not be looking with much attention then.

There's a reason why polar bears have white fur, against a snowy background, while grizzly bears have brown fur, against a forresty background.

There's a reason why some turtle's limbs are more like fins then feet.

There's a reason why Neanderthals had such robuust body builds. Like their very pronounced facial features, like the big nose. You know what that does? It heats cold air before it reaches the lungs. Where and when did Neanderthals live? In Europe during glacial periods. It was very cold.

Off course, all these things are rather hard to see if your head is burried in either the ground or in a bible.

Those who actually DO pay a bit of attention, can clearly see that every single species' anatomy/morphology is completely geared toward the environment they find themselves in. Which is obviously what we expect if evolution is true.

 

[Brightmoon]

I am trying to let evolutionist see the problem of evolution.

But you haven’t named any . You’ve just posted your silly misconceptions about evolution.

 

[juvenissun]

1. This is just false. Of course we see changes in the Cenozoic and Pleistocene fossil record.

2. What does this have to do with the definition i presented for evolution?

I guess you do not understand my questions. I will let it go.

 

[juvenissun]

Hi, I took from this that you expect the fossil record to show a continuous change of a single lineage going back and forth between say a polar bear and a camel based on environment - is that correct? If so, why would you expect that?

If environment has a profound influence to the evolution process, then in the earth history, we should see many cases that illustrated backward evolution when the environment gradually changed "back" to what it was. That is something we never see.

 

[juvenissun]

But you haven’t named any . You’ve just posted your silly misconceptions about evolution.

I did.

 

[Jimmy D]

If environment has a profound influence to the evolution process, then in the earth history, we should see many cases that illustrated backward evolution when the environment gradually changed "back" to what it was. That is something we never see.

And so, with a weary sense of deja vu, we eventually trudge, to the inevitable denouement.

 

[Brightmoon]

I did.

. You didn’t .