Republicans are exploring a shift away from pro-life strategy after election losses

[Hammster]

It would just be so easy to invalidate women's suffrage and outlaw abortion.

Someday.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Gee.
It would just be so easy to invalidate women's suffrage and outlaw abortion.
I think Alito and Thomas would be on board, and voter suppression is the GOP's winning formula.

As a nurse, I remember the days when a woman could not even get surgery without the permission from her husband. I remember once a young woman presented at our birthing center having seizures with life threatening eclampsia.
She was far from term, but it was obvious she would die if the pregnancy was not terminated. Her husband was away in Hawaii. He called, and when he was told about the situation, he hemmed and hawed indecisive about giving his permission to terminate the pregnancy. Well, the doctors decided to save the girl. The pregnancy was terminated and saved both mother and baby. The baby weighed a little over a pound, so it had to stay in the NICU until it gained weight. Pre-eclampsia is very common in pregnancy. If it is not caught and treated, it progresses to full blown eclampsia which is life threatening. People who claim to be pro-life do not consider the life of the pregnant woman imho. In the incident above,, had the pregnancy not been terminated, we would have possibly lost mother and child. But, because the pregnancy was terminated, both were saved.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Hannity Warns Republicans Will ‘Get Their [Butts] Kicked’ If They Go Full Throttle Against Abortion ​

The Fox host described himself as “pretty pro-life,” but said Republican politicians would be wise not to embrace a ban on abortion before 15 weeks of pregnancy:

“That’s where the country is,” he said. “And if Republican politicians don’t understand that, then… they’re gonna ... lose.”

 

[essentialsaltes]

Divisions over abortion roil 2024 GOP presidential field (from last October)​

Former president Donald Trump went off his teleprompter last month in a ballroom full of evangelical activists, warning in stark terms that abortion could be a Republican loser in next year’s elections.
The crowd fell silent, after standing and applauding a moment earlier. On the same stage earlier in the day, the conference organizers had insisted that politicians publicly embrace a federal minimum law prohibiting abortion after 15 weeks of gestation. But as Trump spoke about abortion, he said the Supreme Court had “moved the issue back to the states which all legal scholars wanted.”

Since then, he's flirted with endorsing a national ban, but now that things are sewn up...

Trump says abortion should be left to states, declines to endorse national ban​

“Many people have asked me what my position is on abortion and abortion rights,” Trump said in the video posted on his Truth Social site. “My view is now that we have abortion where everybody wanted it from a legal standpoint, the states will determine by vote or legislation or perhaps both. And whatever they decide must be the law of the land — in this case, the law of the state.”

Trump, in the video, did not say when in pregnancy he believes abortion should be banned

Trump had suggested last month in a radio interview that he was leaning toward supporting a national abortion ban at around 15 weeks of pregnancy — early in the second trimester. [But now he has leaned away.]

The announcement drew immediate condemnation from SBA Pro-Life America, one of the country’s most prominent groups opposed to abortion rights.

“We are deeply disappointed in President Trump’s position,” said the group’s president, Marjorie Dannenfelser, in statement. “Unborn children and their mothers deserve national protections and national advocacy from the brutality of the abortion industry. The Dobbs decision clearly allows both states and Congress to act.”

 

[Desk trauma]

Since then, he's flirted with endorsing a national ban, but now that things are sewn up...

Trump says abortion should be left to states, declines to endorse national ban​

“Many people have asked me what my position is on abortion and abortion rights,” Trump said in the video posted on his Truth Social site. “My view is now that we have abortion where everybody wanted it from a legal standpoint, the states will determine by vote or legislation or perhaps both. And whatever they decide must be the law of the land — in this case, the law of the state.”

Trump, in the video, did not say when in pregnancy he believes abortion should be banned

Trump had suggested last month in a radio interview that he was leaning toward supporting a national abortion ban at around 15 weeks of pregnancy — early in the second trimester. [But now he has leaned away.]

The announcement drew immediate condemnation from SBA Pro-Life America, one of the country’s most prominent groups opposed to abortion rights.

“We are deeply disappointed in President Trump’s position,” said the group’s president, Marjorie Dannenfelser, in statement. “Unborn children and their mothers deserve national protections and national advocacy from the brutality of the abortion industry. The Dobbs decision clearly allows both states and Congress to act.”

From the guy that had multiple positions on abortion in the same day.

 

[NxNW]

Since then, he's flirted with endorsing a national ban, but now that things are sewn up...

Trump says abortion should be left to states, declines to endorse national ban​

“Many people have asked me what my position is on abortion and abortion rights,” Trump said in the video posted on his Truth Social site. “My view is now that we have abortion where everybody wanted it from a legal standpoint, the states will determine by vote or legislation or perhaps both. And whatever they decide must be the law of the land — in this case, the law of the state.”

Trump, in the video, did not say when in pregnancy he believes abortion should be banned.

This is an election tactic only. If the GOP takes control of the government, a federal ban will be enacted.

The announcement drew immediate condemnation from SBA Pro-Life America, one of the country’s most prominent groups opposed to abortion rights.

“We are deeply disappointed in President Trump’s position,” said the group’s president, Marjorie Dannenfelser, in statement. “Unborn children and their mothers deserve national protections and national advocacy from the brutality of the abortion industry. The Dobbs decision clearly allows both states and Congress to act.”

This is the true position of the GOP.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Since then, he's flirted with endorsing a national ban, but now that things are sewn up...

Trump says abortion should be left to states, declines to endorse national ban​

Reviews are in!

“Deeply unfit to lead”: Right-wing media are split over Trump’s “weak” statement on abortion​

Blaze Media host Allie Beth Stuckey called Trump’s video a “weak, weak statement that is a signal for independents who will never vote for him anyway.”
Casey Mattox, vice president of legal and judicial strategy at Americans for Prosperity, wrote: “Having now watched the Trump video on abortion, I have to say that I believe it is an error to make someone with no moral compass and no actual convictions into the voice of the pro-life movement.”
Anti-abortion leader Terrisa Bukovinac posted, “Trump is a collaborator in a genocide happening right here in our own nation and is deeply unfit to lead.”

Others differed

Appearing on America’s Newsroom, National Review editor Rich Lowry stated, “He's signaled for a long time [that] he doesn't think this is a winning issue for Republicans. He’d prefer not to fight on it.
Daily Wire host Ben Shapiro acknowledged that it was “smart politics” for Trump to take a moderate stance on abortion.

 

[RocK Guy]

Republicans are exploring a shift away from pro-life strategy after election losses

Well they can kiss the Lord's support good bye and get used to losing elections.

Plus as a special bonus they'll get to burn for eternity for supporting slaughtering innocent babies

It's a two-fer!

a federal ban will be enacted.

Which will be overturned by SCOTUS since the Constitution does not give the feds the right to regular baby killing. It's up to the states,

 

[Desk trauma]

Well they can kiss the Lord's support good bye and get used to losing elections.

Your deity making them lose elections means that the democrats win and abortion will be more likely to be legal. Not a great strategy if it wants abortion illegal.

Which will be overturned by SCOTUS since the Constitution does not give the feds the right to regular baby killing.

I doubt it given they made no such determination in Dobbs.

 

[RocK Guy]

voter suppression is the GOP's winning formula.

If only.

If they played like the dems do then we could have a good country again

 

[Pommer]

If they played like the dems do then we could have a good country again

I’m not sure that I follow your meaning.

 

[RocK Guy]

I’m not sure that I follow your meaning.

If the GOP want to win elections they'll have to learn how to cheat better than the dems cheat.

 

[essentialsaltes]

If the GOP want to win elections they'll have to learn how to cheat better than the dems cheat.

Republicans definitely have the lead in quantity of cheating. I'm not sure they can take the lead in quality as well.

 

[RocK Guy]

Republicans definitely have the lead in quantity of cheating. I'm not sure they can take the lead in quality as well.

Obviously they do not, if they did Trump would be prez and repubs would hold majorities in both houses of Congress.

The dems have a long history of cheating and if the repubs expect to compete they are going to have to call in the mafia and let them teach them how to cheat much better than the dems.

The communists are backing the dems, so maybe the repubs can get the mafia to back them. At least most mafia guys are loyal to the US unlike the communists and dems who are only loyal to China

 

[Hans Blaster]

The communists are backing the dems,

Both of them?

so maybe the repubs can get the mafia to back them.

The could pick a Don to run for president...

At least most mafia guys are loyal to the US unlike the communists and dems who are only loyal to China

I haven't met the either of the communists, so I don't know where their loyalties lie.

 

[RocK Guy]

Both of them?

All of them as in about half the country

The could pick a Don to run for president...

A patriotic don is always better than a globalist don

I haven't met the either of the communists, so I don't know where their loyalties lie.

You can tell by their words and their actions where their loyalties lie.

 

[Hans Blaster]

All of them as in about half the country

There are almost no communists in the USA. More than 2, but only a few thousand.

A patriotic don is always better than a globalist don




You can tell by their words and their actions where their loyalties lie.

Hmmm.

 

[camille70]

Reviews are in!

“Deeply unfit to lead”: Right-wing media are split over Trump’s “weak” statement on abortion​

Blaze Media host Allie Beth Stuckey called Trump’s video a “weak, weak statement that is a signal for independents who will never vote for him anyway.”
Casey Mattox, vice president of legal and judicial strategy at Americans for Prosperity, wrote: “Having now watched the Trump video on abortion, I have to say that I believe it is an error to make someone with no moral compass and no actual convictions into the voice of the pro-life movement.”
Anti-abortion leader Terrisa Bukovinac posted, “Trump is a collaborator in a genocide happening right here in our own nation and is deeply unfit to lead.”

Others differed

Appearing on America’s Newsroom, National Review editor Rich Lowry stated, “He's signaled for a long time [that] he doesn't think this is a winning issue for Republicans. He’d prefer not to fight on it.
Daily Wire host Ben Shapiro acknowledged that it was “smart politics” for Trump to take a moderate stance on abortion.

Wow. It's almost as though Trump didn't actually oppose abortion from a moral standpoint and only sought to overturn Roe as a means to an end (power for self), and now that those same means have proven unpopular and threaten getting back in power, he is choosing a different means (softening anti abortion stance) that appeals to the majority of Americans.

Now some are stating he has "no moral compass"? Hmm. Too bad no one thought to forewarn them. Some would say that was self evident from the start (none of the fruit, all the abominations). It's almost like some Christians didn't care because THEY were also using HIM as a means to an end.

The GOP had decades where they did nothing to actually stop abortion because the issue was good for votes. It was only ever mentioned during election season or when trying to demonize dems. Then they did the unthinkable - supported someone not politically savvy enough to play politics, that they wrongly thought they could control or, at the very least, honor norms. Someone who loves being the darling of the right, the "chosen one", if you will. Someone who would follow through because he wanted the public praise and had no long term vested political interest or vision in keeping the con going to oppose dems and keep the GOP in power.

Now everyone is in a bit of a quandary.

Will Trump continue to promote states rights (the supposed intended and stated goal prior to Roe ending anyway) or will he support a national ban? Does he appease the voters who brought him to power? Can he win without them? Will the people who would support a "reasonable" Trump on this issue be able to make up for the purists who would abandon him if he supports abortion?

Hmm. What to do, what to do?

Does his base vote to reelect Trump, knowing he abandoned their core issue when it was expedient to do so? He may have "no moral compass" and is poised to have an administration based on retribution and punishing his enemies, (which could be them if they publicly oppose him,) but then there could be two SCOTUS openings in the future. Certainly they cannot permit Biden or *gasp* Kamala Harris to fill them.

Hmm. Decisions, decisions...

Now do the GOP congress members and hopefuls follow his lead? On the one hand, Trump still has a base who will attack and threatened the disloyal, but half of that base are evangelicals that could also abandon them and cost them their seat for abandoning what they say are their "principles."

What's that called? A Faustian bargain? I'm not sure.

Anyway...

Whatever will they do?

The next few weeks should be VERY entertaining. I mean interesting.

 

[RocK Guy]

There are almost no communists in the USA. More than 2, but only a few thousand.

You are confusing the ones that are out and proud about it and not considering the ones that are bringing in communist policies while claiming that are socialists. (democrats)

Karl Marx said that socialism is the stepping stone to communism as when a country cannot be overthrown into communism immediately, then plan B is to bring in socialism and gradually move a nation in to communism which is what has been happening in the US ever since the fall of Senator McCarthy back in the 50s... turns out he was right all along!

Hmmm.

Thinking of voting for the communist are we?

He may have "no moral compass" and is poised to have an administration based on retribution and punishing his enemies

You mean like the democrats are doing?

Whatever will they do?

Whatever they do it's not going to turn this nation around even if Trump gets re-elected.

The problem is most American citizens are demonic including most who claim to be Christians since they follow a fake jesus and preach a different gospel... the "me first" gospel

 

[Nithavela]

Your deity making them lose elections means that the democrats win and abortion will be more likely to be legal. Not a great strategy if it wants abortion illegal.

I doubt it given they made no such determination in Dobbs.

Maybe should have put something about this issue into its holy book if this was so important.