Republican Party no longer interested in repealing or replacing the ACA (Obamacare)

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The lack of making sense is one of the reasons I no longer identify with the GOP. The lip-service given to the working class constituency has been only that for years. GOP policy benefits the wealthy and the large corporations regardless of their rhetoric.
Speaking of Social Security and Medicare, the GOP historically has been dead set on eliminating both. They are discussing measures to cut the programs this cycle. Sure, they say no one getting benefits will experience cuts.. but those of us nearing the finish line will see the goalposts moved.
Why, is a great question. The working class voters the GOP relies on are voting against their own best interests. Why indeed. Abortion? Is that it?
Back in the Bush II administration, the idea of privatization was very strong because of the then extended bull market - people figured that their investments would always grow. The Great Recession put an end to that movement, but I guess not thoroughly.

What young people sometimes don't recognize is the benefit to themselves when the older crowd retires - that it frees up money and positions for them.
 
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The lack of making sense is one of the reasons I no longer identify with the GOP. The lip-service given to the working class constituency has been only that for years. GOP policy benefits the wealthy and the large corporations regardless of their rhetoric.
Speaking of Social Security and Medicare, the GOP historically has been dead set on eliminating both. They are discussing measures to cut the programs this cycle. Sure, they say no one getting benefits will experience cuts.. but those of us nearing the finish line will see the goalposts moved.
Why, is a great question. The working class voters the GOP relies on are voting against their own best interests. Why indeed. Abortion? Is that it?
Arkansans voted in Huckabee Sanders for governor by a 2-1 majority. She's already ordered job and promotion freezes and budget cuts. Who's sorry now?
 
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Even moreso, if Trump calls for repealing it, his followers will be 100 % on board and hold it against the other candidates.
I don't know....there's a lot of people covered by it now, and the idea of removing the healthcare of so many isn't great.



Of course, Trump will say that he'll replace it with something better without going into any details, and his followers will be 100 % certain that the improved version is already in trumps drawer.

More gets said on the left about Trump and his followers than Trump and his followers say about themselves.
 
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There are 11 other states that have not expanded Medicaid, but only three — Florida, Mississippi and Wyoming — allow voters to collect signatures for a ballot measure, and none appear likely to take up the effort in the near term.

[SD] Medicaid expansion opponents, including Republican Gov. Kristi Noem, argue the proposal would be costly to the state in the future, would force the state to raise taxes and would discourage able-bodied adults from securing well-paying jobs with benefits. In South Dakota, the Foundation for Government Accountability, the Family Heritage Alliance and the South Dakota Farm Bureau are opposing the measure.

‘We’re Going Away’: A State’s Choice to Forgo Medicaid Funds Is Killing Hospitals


Greenwood Leflore [hospital of Mississippi] lost $17 million last year alone and is down to a few million in cash reserves, said Gary Marchand, the hospital’s interim CEO. “We’re going away,” he said. “It’s happening.”

Rural hospitals are struggling all over the nation because of population declines, soaring labor costs and a long-term shift toward outpatient care. But those problems have been magnified by a political choice in Mississippi and nine other states, all with Republican-controlled legislatures.

They have spurned the federal government’s offer to shoulder almost all the cost of expanding Medicaid coverage for the poor. And that has heaped added costs on hospitals because they cannot legally turn away patients, insured or not.

States that opted against Medicaid expansion, or had just recently adopted it, accounted for nearly three-fourths of rural hospital closures between 2010 and 2021, according to the American Hospital Association.

Opponents of expansion, who have prevailed in Texas, Florida and much of the Southeast, typically say they want to keep government spending in check. States are required to put up 10% of the cost in order for the federal government to release the other 90%.

But the number of holdouts is dwindling. On Monday, North Carolina became the 40th state to expand Medicaid since the option to cover all adults with incomes below 138% of the poverty line opened up in 2014 under the terms of the 2010 Affordable Care Act. The law, a major victory for President Barack Obama, has continued to defy Republican efforts to kill or limit it.

[Expanding Medicaid] would guarantee medical coverage to some 100,000 uninsured adults making less than $20,120 a year in a state whose death rates are at or near the nation’s highest for heart disease, stroke, diabetes, cancer, kidney disease and pneumonia. Infant mortality is also sky-high, and the Delta has the nation’s highest rate of foot and leg amputations because of diabetes or hypertension.

Gov. Tate Reeves, a Republican, and key GOP state lawmakers argue that a bigger Mississippi program is not in taxpayers’ best interest. The governor says the state’s $3.9 billion surplus would be best used to help eliminate Mississippi’s income tax.
 
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Republicans abandon Obamacare repeal
Republicans are abandoning their long crusade to repeal the Affordable Care Act, making the 2022 election the first in more than a decade that won’t be fought over whether to protect or undo President Barack Obama’s signature achievement.

Oh, but some people still haven't advanced past 2020.

Former President Donald Trump said he is “seriously looking at alternatives” to the Affordable Care Act if he returns to the White House, reigniting his longstanding crusade against former President Barack Obama’s signature health-care law.
 
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Oh, but some people still haven't advanced past 2020.

Former President Donald Trump said he is “seriously looking at alternatives” to the Affordable Care Act if he returns to the White House, reigniting his longstanding crusade against former President Barack Obama’s signature health-care law.
I wish they would come up with a better alternative. The Republicans can do it, if they would as the Democrats and Independents would be in favor.
 
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I wish they would come up with a better alternative. The Republicans can do it, if they would as the Democrats and Independents would be in favor.
Thing is, when Republicans tried to formulate a health care plan, the ACA was essentially what they came up with. The Heritage Foundation came up with it, but it took Obama and democrats to pass it. Despite GOP opposing their own plan.

What we really need is some form of single payer plan that doesn't depend on private for-profit health insurance.

-- A2SG, many other countries can do it, why can't we...just kidding, I know why....
 
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I wish they would come up with a better alternative. The Republicans can do it
They clearly can't. Trump first took office seven years ago and neither he nor his party have come up with a replacement plan yet? When are they going to get around to it? At this point, a large segment of the party are unserious people uninterested in governing.
 
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How can they design a better alternative and cut the cost by 59, 75, or even 90%?

Don't you know the 1% needs that money for their tax cuts?
Plus, think of those poor, poor struggling for-profit health insurance companies, who may see a slight decline in their billions of dollars in profits every year.

-- A2SG, won't someone please think of the CEOs!!!!
 
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Oh, but some people still haven't advanced past 2020.

Former President Donald Trump said he is “seriously looking at alternatives” to the Affordable Care Act if he returns to the White House, reigniting his longstanding crusade against former President Barack Obama’s signature health-care law.

Trump vows to replace ObamaCare with his own alternative

“Obamacare is too expensive, and otherwise, not good healthcare,” Trump, the front-runner for next year’s GOP presidential nomination, wrote in a post on his social media platform, Truth Social.

“I will come up with a much better, and less expensive, alternative! People will be happy, not sad!”


Wow, sounds like he's really worked out all the details this time!
 
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The healthcare system in the U.S. is, for the most part, privatized and for-profit. As long as the wealthy are covered and the corporations in the system profitable, the GOP has no incentive to change anything.
Δόξα σοι ὁ Θεὸς ἡμῶν, δόξα σοι

I am dabbling into some NT Greek, if "dabbling" is possible.
Is the above something like " the glory of our God, glory to you" ?

Try not to laugh.
 
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Why, is a great question. The working class voters the GOP relies on are voting against their own best interests. Why indeed. Abortion? Is that it?
Examples please, of how I'm "voting against my own best interests". Handouts?
 
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Examples please, of how I'm "voting against my own best interests". Handouts?

Top tax frustrations for Americans: The feeling that some corporations, wealthy people don’t pay fair share

More than half of GOP voters think they are paying more than their fair share of taxes, including a plurality of low income GOP voters.
More than half of lower income GOP voters think taxes should be raised on those making more than $400,000.
More than half of lower income GOP voters think corporate taxes should be raised. 25% say they should be raised "a lot".

But the GOP platform calls for lowering corporate taxes. And it's relatively silent on the overall tax structure.

So GOP voters feel like they're paying more than their fair share. And they appear to understand that a more progressive tax system and higher corporate taxes could shift that unfair burden away from them. But they are voting for the party that stands for doing nothing, or the direct opposite of what a majority of them want.
 
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Top tax frustrations for Americans: The feeling that some corporations, wealthy people don’t pay fair share

More than half of GOP voters think they are paying more than their fair share of taxes, including a plurality of low income GOP voters.
More than half of lower income GOP voters think taxes should be raised on those making more than $400,000.
More than half of lower income GOP voters think corporate taxes should be raised. 25% say they should be raised "a lot".

But the GOP platform calls for lowering corporate taxes. And it's relatively silent on the overall tax structure.

So GOP voters feel like they're paying more than their fair share. And they appear to understand that a more progressive tax system and higher corporate taxes could shift that unfair burden away from them. But they are voting for the party that stands for doing nothing, or the direct opposite of what a majority of them want.
Any tax increases end up being paid by the working class, because it's beneficial for the rich to hide wealth in tax shelters.
I recall President Obama scolding the rich for having tax shelters, when his own Treasury secretary, Jack Lew had hid his riches in offshore bank accounts

How about... The government stop spending money they don't really have?
 
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Any tax increases end up being paid by the working class, because it's beneficial for the rich to hide wealth in tax shelters.

Why are “tax shelters” legal?
I recall President Obama scolding the rich for having tax shelters, when his own Treasury secretary, Jack Lew had hid his riches in offshore bank accounts

Politicians are hypocrites? Stop the presses!
How about... The government stop spending money they don't really have?
Yes, after a while even the most obtuse of us will begin to understand that money isn’t “real”.
 
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Any tax increases end up being paid by the working class
Not if the tax increase only affects those making more than $400,000.
tax shelters...Obama...offshore bank accounts
Additional irrelevant deflections noted.
How about... The government stop spending money they don't really have?
Well, the GOP took over the House almost one year ago; so far they've managed to do nothing but spend money at the current rate, kicking the can down the road a few times, while putting the nation's credit rating at risk multiple times as various deadlines approach.

The Democrats haven't had much luck reducing spending either, but at least they are talking about raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations. This would at least shrink the annual deficit. If you can't spend less, earn more.
 
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Politicians are hypocrites? Stop the presses!
Yet many here express faith in their motives.
Why are “tax shelters” legal?
Because most politicians are wealthy. Kissinger was right when he said the corrupt politicians make it bad for the other 10 percent.
Not if the tax increase only affects those making more than $400,000.
It will simply be passed on to the consumer, or less employees and less raises.
The Democrats haven't had much luck reducing spending either, but at least they are talking about raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations. This would at least shrink the annual deficit. If you can't spend less, earn more.
And that's all it will be; talking. A "billionaires tax" probably gets a lot of likes on Facebook, but even if it passed, the "fat cats" will hire more tax lawyers; it's cheaper that way for them.
 
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