Replacement theology

[yeshuasavedme]

May I ask what Bible translation are you quoting


Mark G.

I quoted from Matthew chapter 17 after the death of John and immediately after the mount of transfiguration, where Elijah appeared with Moses as witnesses to Jesus' incarnation and glory.
I use the www.blueletterbible.org. site for the original.
John denied being Elijah, flat out.
The angel said he was the messenger who would go before the YHWH in the spirit and power of Elijah. I don't use paraphrased versions, as I'm able to paraphrase my own self and in line with the Scripture better than the paraphrasers of the NIV.




NKJV - Mat 17:11 -Jesus answered and said to them, "Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things.
New King James Version © 1982 Thomas Nelson

NASB - Mat 17:11 -And He answered and said, "Elijah is coming and will restore all things;
New American Standard Bible © 1995 Lockman Foundation

RSV - Mat 17:11 -He replied, "Eli'jah does come, and he is to restore all things;
Revised Standard Version © 1947, 1952.

Webster - Mat 17:11 -And Jesus answered and said to them, Elijah truly will first come, and restore all things:
Noah Webster Version 1833 Info

Young - Mat 17:11 -And Jesus answering said to them, `Elijah doth indeed come first, and shall restore all things,
Robert Young Literal Translation 1862, 1887, 1898 Info

Darby - Mat 17:11 -And he answering said to them, Elias indeed comes first and will restore all things.
J.N.Darby Translation 1890 Info

ASV - Mat 17:11 -And he answered and said, Elijah indeed cometh, and shall restore all things:
American Standard Version 1901 Info

HNV - Mat 17:11 -Yeshua answered them, "Eliyah indeed comes first, and will restore all things,
Hebrew Names Version 2000 Info

Vulgate - Mat 17:11 -at ille respondens ait eis Helias quidem venturus est et restituet omnia
Jerome's Latin Vulgate 405 A.D. Info

 

[Mark G.]

John denied being Elijah, flat out.

So what... Jesus said

Matt 11:14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.

I must conclude that you can not accept it...

Respectfully
Mark G.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Thank you Mark for giving me a straight answer... (yes, you were correct, I believe Matt 25:31-46 to be at the end of the so called millennium)

May I ask another question...
...

My question, is the millennium in this age or the age to come ???

Respectfully
Mark G.

My question, is the millennium in this age or the age to come ???

Respectfully
Mark G.

Hello Mark G,
I hope you don't mind my also answering you.
It is in the age to come, for this age ends with the gathering out of this world all the wicked generation and casting them into the lake of fire, when the LORD returns to restore Israel.

No resurrected, regenerated Believer who is ‘laqach’ before the great tribulation is going to be having children or marrying in the age to come, for they will have attained the resurrection and regeneration of the righteous, along with those martyrs who are resurrected from the tribulation immediately after the tribulation, which ends the first resurrection.
The Resurrected regenerated Believers who attain the resurrection of the righteous do not dwell in houses on this earth for the millennial reign, but dwell in heaven -specifically, in the high places that the principalities and powers and rulers of this age who have fallen in rebellion but haven’t been cast out yet, still dwell.

After the ‘laqach’ of the Gentile Church -which includes all Jews who are born again Believers in Yeshua the Messiah- there will not be one born again Believer on the face of this earth unless the arrival of Elijah and Moses in the streets of Jerusalem is simultaneous with the departure of the congregation of the LORD from earth -they are born again, but not regenerated, and won’t be until they are resurrected three and a half years after the beginning of their wirness.

All those martyred will be resurrected after the seven years are over and will also share rule with the Believers of the ages who are ruling from high places over this earth -with the twelve Apostles reigning over the twelve tribes of Israel from thrones in the created heaven -the regenerated Believers will be the ‘principalities and powers’ over this earth for that thousand years and will occupy the high places of the wicked after Michael and his angels kick them out of heaven -to earth -after the rapture =laqach.

Those who come to faith in the LORD Jesus Christ who are not martyred or die before the seven years are ended will enter the millennial reign as the blessed of the LORD, who marry and have children for a thousand years, because they are born again but not regenerated and so populate this earth as Jews and Gentiles.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

So what... Jesus said

Matt 11:14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.

I must conclude that you can not accept it...

Respectfully
Mark G.

I truly believe that you have not read my posts, for I said that Jesus said that Elijah is coming, and that Elijah has come -both statements are true, but Elijah the person has not come in his flesh person nor incarnated in John the baptist.
The Angel of the YHWH told John's daddy that John would be the messenger who would go before the presence of YHWH in the 'spirit and power' of Elijah.

What is it about that that you cannot see?
John is not the person of Elijah, but came in the same 'spirit and power' that Elijah had.

-Look: did you kinow that, that same spirit was given to Elisha 'doubled'? -so much so that a dead man tossed in the cave his bones lay in was resurrected to life when his body touched the bones of Elisha!

John came in that same spirit and power, but he was not Elijah, the person, who is in his same human body that has not died -yet.

The angel said John was the messenger who would come in that 'spirit and power'; and Jesus said he 'is coming, and will restore all things' -

and that 'he has come and they killed him' -He said that immediately after Elijah was seen in his own living body, speaking with the LORD about His upcoming death in Jerusalem.

I have another question for you.
Did you know that you are 'Adam'?
Not the first Adam; but 'Adam' -multiplied?

Did you know that every single human person who has multiplied from Adam is 'one' Adam?
I am not speaking of the unity of flesh of male and female Adam persons, but of the 'one' spirit that we all are as 'Adam', multiplied.

Malachi 2:15 -Adam is one spirit, multiplied.
Genesis 1:26-28; 5:2 -in the original; The Elohim named us Adam, and made us male and female, and said to be fruitful and multiply.
Genesis 6:1 -in the original; Adam began to multiply on the face of the earth.

So what is it about John coming in the 'spirit and power of Elijah' and that Elijah, the person, is yet coming to restore all things - is so hard to see, -see? -in the Scripture?

'He is coming, he has come'.

John was he, 'only' 'in' 'spirit and power', not in DNA code of his person; just as you are 'Adam', in 'one' spirit until you are born again and become an adopted 'Israel' 'one' in spirit with the New Man, YHWH in flesh, by the regeneration into His family of the living sons of God.

and John's daddy impregnated his own wife and John was conceived and John was not a reincarnated Elijah, who appeared to the Apsotles speaking with Jesus on the mount, in his own person, later. And John said he was not Elijah -see?

 

[Mark G.]

I truly believe that you have not read my posts, for I said that Jesus said that Elijah is coming, and that Elijah has come -both statements are true, but Elijah the person has not come in his flesh person nor incarnated in John the baptist.
The Angel of the YHWH told John's daddy that John would be the messenger who would go before the presence of YHWH in the 'spirit and power' of Elijah.

What is it about that that you cannot see?
John is not the person of Elijah, but came in the same 'spirit and power' that Elijah had.

-Look: did you kinow that, that same spirit was given to Elisha 'doubled'? -so much so that a dead man tossed in the cave his bones lay in was resurrected to life when his body touched the bones of Elisha!

John came in that same spirit and power, but he was not Elijah, the person, who is in his same human body that has not died -yet.

The angel said John was the messenger who would come in that 'spirit and power'; and Jesus said he 'is coming, and will restore all things' -

and that 'he has come and they killed him' -He said that immediately after Elijah was seen in his own living body, speaking with the LORD about His upcoming death in Jerusalem.

I have another question for you.
Did you know that you are 'Adam'?
Not the first Adam; but 'Adam' -multiplied?

Did you know that every single human person who has multiplied from Adam is 'one' Adam?
I am not speaking of the unity of flesh of male and female Adam persons, but of the 'one' spirit that we all are as 'Adam', multiplied.

Malachi 2:15 -Adam is one spirit, multiplied.
Genesis 1:26-28; 5:2 -in the original; The Elohim named us Adam, and made us male and female, and said to be fruitful and multiply.
Genesis 6:1 -in the original; Adam began to multiply on the face of the earth.

So what is it about John coming in the 'spirit and power of Elijah' and that Elijah, the person, is yet coming to restore all things - is so hard to see, -see? -in the Scripture?

'He is coming, he has come'.

John was he, 'only' 'in' 'spirit and power', not in DNA code of his person; just as you are 'Adam', in 'one' spirit until you are born again and become an adopted 'Israel' 'one' in spirit with the New Man, YHWH in flesh, by the regeneration into His family of the living sons of God.

and John's daddy impregnated his own wife and John was conceived and John was not a reincarnated Elijah, who appeared to the Apsotles speaking with Jesus on the mount, in his own person, later. And John said he was not Elijah -see?

You know, I do not see as you do... I have read your posts and quite honestly, you are way out there... I suppose that is the difference between you and I... I read the text and when Jesus said Elijah has come I believe him... in regards to his comment that Elijah will come he is only confirming the prophets words, he is not saying Elijah will come again... You look for these things to be fulfilled in the flesh, I do not... I believe you have Jewish dreams of being "the" kingdom, although I do not see the need for it, nor do I see scriptural support for it, for all the promises God has made are "yes" in Christ.

I apologize if my words offend you...
Respectfully
Mark G.

 

[Markea]

Thank you Mark for giving me a straight answer... (yes, you were correct, I believe Matt 25:31-46 to be at the end of the so called millennium)

So I'd imagine that you believe that we're in the millennial kingdom of Christ right now then... is that correct..?

May I ask another question...

Scirpture speaks of this world/age and the world/age to come...

Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. (Matt 12:32)


will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age (homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields-- and with them, persecutions) and in the age to come, eternal life. (Mark 10:30)

will fail to receive many times as much in this age and, in the age to come, eternal life." (Luke 18:30)

The circumstances of this age

will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age (homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields-- and with them, persecutions) and in the age to come, eternal life. (Mark 10:30)

"I tell you the truth," Jesus said to them, "no one who has left home or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God will fail to receive many times as much in this age and, in the age to come, eternal life." (Luke 18:29-30)

Jesus replied, "The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. (Luke 20:34)

We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. (1 Cor 2:6)

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. (2 Cor 4:3-4)

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, (Gal 1:3-4)

The circumstances of the age to come

will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age (homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields-- and with them, persecutions) and in the age to come, eternal life. (Mark 10:30) (see also Luke 18:30)

Jesus replied, "The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are considered worthy of taking part in that age and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God's children, since they are children of the resurrection. (Luke 20:34-36)

My question, is the millennium in this age or the age to come ???

Respectfully
Mark G.

Well, look at what the Scriptures say and then you tell me.. specifically Luke 20 which you quoted just prior to asking your question...

Do you believe that the resurrection of the dead is already past...?

I don't... I believe that the millennial Kingdom is still in the future.. and if you look at Revelation chapter 20.. we see three things intricately tied together in those verses...

1. The 1000 year reign of Christ
2. The First Resurrection
3. The binding of Satan so that he is unable to deceive the nations..

Going back to your comments concerning this present age.. one of them is from 2 Cor 4 where it speaks of the god of this world blinding those that believe not the gospel... so..do you believe that Satan is currently bound and unable to deceive right now..?

1 John tells us that the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.. so would you say that he is bound now and unable to deceive..? ?

 

[Markea]

So what... Jesus said

Matt 11:14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.

I must conclude that you can not accept it...

Respectfully
Mark G.

So what..? ? ?

All scripture is given by inspiration of GOD.. they're ALL His words for He alone is the author of scripture...

So, it's important to take the whole counsel of scripture rather than what you want to hear.. I would say that it's YOU who do not want to accept what the whole counsel of scripture declares.. not the other way around as you have stated..

 

[yeshuasavedme]

You know, I do not see as you do... I have read your posts and quite honestly, you are way out there... I suppose that is the difference between you and I... I read the text and when Jesus said Elijah has come I believe him... in regards to his comment that Elijah will come he is only confirming the prophets words, he is not saying Elijah will come again... You look for these things to be fulfilled in the flesh, I do not... I believe you have Jewish dreams of being "the" kingdom, although I do not see the need for it, nor do I see scriptural support for it, for all the promises God has made are "yes" in Christ.

I apologize if my words offend you...
Respectfully
Mark G.

Hello Mark G,
Practice Bereanism to see if what I say is 'way out there -okay?
And your words do not offend me; but I hope you'll see that I agree with the LORD Jesus that Elijah has come and they killed him, but the Elijah is coming -all in the same paragraph Jesus said both see? Why do you think Elijah and Moses were there, on the mount of transfiguration, and why was Jesus transformed there, before them? -H-M-M -only a scriptural search will yield the answer, and it is easy to find out why...

-and I am going to be in heaven with the 'laqach' harvested Gentile Church when Israel is restored through the purging of the time of Jacob's trouble.

I'll be back on this earth, by His promise, however, after the regeneration of the heavens and the earth, which is the home that all the human sons of God (now, though, only sons by the adoption, since the fall of the 'son of God', Adam -Luke 3:38- in whose loins we fell, as his seed, created for the multiplying of 'sons of God' =Malachi 2:15 godly seed =sons of God- for the habitation, as temples, of the Presence of the Spirit of the Living God), were given to inhabit forever, and will, after the regeneration of it.

 

[Mark G.]

Hello Mark G,
I hope you don't mind my also answering you.
It is in the age to come, for this age ends with the gathering out of this world all the wicked generation and casting them into the lake of fire, when the LORD returns to restore Israel.

Hello again Yeshuasavedme

No, I do not mind at all, you too are welcome to speak your mind upon this matter...

Before I move on I need to have your opnion on Matt 25:31-46... Does this passage speak of the beginning or the end of the so called millennium.

Respectfully
Mark G.

 

[Mark G.]

So I'd imagine that you believe that we're in the millennial kingdom of Christ right now then... is that correct..?

Yes most assuredly....

I will answer all your question in time... Right now yeshuasavedme wants to join in our conversation and I would like to wait for her answer to my question about Matthew and the sheep / goat parable... whether it is the beginning or the end of the so called millennium....

Respectfully
Mark G.

 

[Markea]

Yes most assuredly....

I will answer all your question in time...

Thanks.. I look forward to your comments explaining why you believe that the resurrection of the dead has already taken place.. and how Satan is currently bound and unable to deceive the nations...seeing that you most assuredly believe that we're currently in the millennial Kingdom of Christ.

I don't see how waiting for another answer has anything to do with your answers, although that's fine if you'd like to wait..we're in no rush..

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Hello again Yeshuasavedme

No, I do not mind at all, you too are welcome to speak your mind upon this matter...

Before I move on I need to have your opnion on Matt 25:31-46... Does this passage speak of the beginning or the end of the so called millennium.

Respectfully
Mark G.

The millennium begins with Isaiah 26:19-21, and Isaiah chapter 27:1-13;
Ezekiel 20:33-44 shows the gathering of the Elect at the end of the darkness (but only a brief hour of darkness), that precedes the light, of the Day of the LORD, which is the seventh millinnium of the earth and will be its Sabbath Rest with the Prince of Peace taking His possession and ruling, as Revelation shows.

Matthew 24:29-31 shows the end of the darkness, when the 'Millennial Day Star Dawns', and sends His angels to harvest the earth.
The Elect are gathered to the wilderness (Ezekiel 20:33-44) and purged by passing them under the rod, and those left inherit the kingdom of God on earth; the millennial reign: then the angels harvest the Gentile nations, separating them into sheep and goats to stand before the returned LORD on His throne in Israel.

The goats are sent into the lake of fire -body and soul intact, without resurrection needed, as the final antichrist and false prophet were sent there at the return of the LORD at the final battle over Jerusalem (before the thousand years are ended -that is), and the sheep are given the blessing of entering into the kingdom of God on earth, and marry and have families for the thousand year reign, along with those elect, Israel, who marry and have families on earth for the thousand year reign of Peace.
-I'm a granny, BTW, whose children are grown, so I have time to meditate in His Word and love it.

 

[Imblessed]

Hello Mark G,
Practice Bereanism to see if what I say is 'way out there -okay?
And your words do not offend me; but I hope you'll see that I agree with the LORD Jesus that Elijah has come and they killed him, but the Elijah is coming -all in the same paragraph Jesus said both see? Why do you think Elijah and Moses were there, on the mount of transfiguration, and why was Jesus transformed there, before them? -H-M-M -only a scriptural search will yield the answer, and it is easy to find out why...

-and I am going to be in heaven with the 'laqach' harvested Gentile Church when Israel is restored through the purging of the time of Jacob's trouble.

I'll be back on this earth, by His promise, however, after the regeneration of the heavens and the earth, which is the home that all the human sons of God (now, though, only sons by the adoption, since the fall of the 'son of God', Adam -Luke 3:38- in whose loins we fell, as his seed, created for the multiplying of 'sons of God' =Malachi 2:15 godly seed =sons of God- for the habitation, as temples, of the Presence of the Spirit of the Living God), were given to inhabit forever, and will, after the regeneration of it.

hello,

I've been carefully reading this thread, because I can't seem to make up my mind about the whole "who is Isreal" thing.

You've brought up some very interesting points I hadn't considered, particularly about Elijah, but I have a question or two for you, if you don't mind.

You said:
"I'll be back on this earth, by His promise, however, after the regeneration of the heavens and the earth, which is the home that all the human sons of God ........ were given to inhabit forever, and will, after the regeneration of it."

are you speaking of after the 1000 year reign? So you believe that after the rapture(or whatever you want to call it) that everyone will stay "in heaven" until after the 1000 years, and then come back down at the end?
Can you tell me about earth during the 1000 years? Who inhabits it? How it's going to be "peaceful" until the end of thousand years? How does Isreal as a nation come into play here? What about Gentiles during this time period?

I don't need scripture, necessarily, just your words on what your interpretation of it all is.

Right now, the only thing I can say about the whole end times thing is that I'm confused. I've heard so many things, and they all seem to make sense in their own way, you know?

Thanks in advance for your reply........

windi


PS: I see that you have done that in the post before mine, but can you put it real simply--dumned down so to speak? I didn't QUITE follow it. (I find I'm easily confused when it comes to this topic!)

 

[Mark G.]

Thanks.. I look forward to your comments explaining why you believe that the resurrection of the dead has already taken place..

May I point out, that I never said that... Your inference from my previous statements is incorrect..

"the" resurrection mentioned in the following quotes has not taken place...

Luke 20:34-36 Jesus replied, "The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are considered worthy of taking part in that age and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God's children, since they are children of the resurrection.

John 6:39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

John 6:40 For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." (see also verses 44 & 54)

John 11:24 Martha answered, "I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day."

Respectfully
Mark G.

 

[Mark G.]

The millennium begins with Isaiah 26:19-21, and Isaiah chapter 27:1-13;
Ezekiel 20:33-44 shows the gathering of the Elect at the end of the darkness (but only a brief hour of darkness), that precedes the light, of the Day of the LORD, which is the seventh millinnium of the earth and will be its Sabbath Rest with the Prince of Peace taking His possession and ruling, as Revelation shows.

Matthew 24:29-31 shows the end of the darkness, when the 'Millennial Day Star Dawns', and sends His angels to harvest the earth.
The Elect are gathered to the wilderness (Ezekiel 20:33-44) and purged by passing them under the rod, and those left inherit the kingdom of God on earth; the millennial reign: then the angels harvest the Gentile nations, separating them into sheep and goats to stand before the returned LORD on His throne in Israel.

The goats are sent into the lake of fire -body and soul intact, without resurrection needed, as the final antichrist and false prophet were sent there at the return of the LORD at the final battle over Jerusalem (before the thousand years are ended -that is), and the sheep are given the blessing of entering into the kingdom of God on earth, and marry and have families for the thousand year reign, along with those elect, Israel, who marry and have families on earth for the thousand year reign of Peace.
-I'm a granny, BTW, whose children are grown, so I have time to meditate in His Word and love it.

Okay... You did not answer my question directly... from you comments I gather you place the sheep and goat judgment of Matt 25:31-46 somewhere in the middle of the millennium... neither at the beginning or the end... Is that correct ???

Respectfully
Mark G.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Okay... You did not answer my question directly... from you comments I gather you place the sheep and goat judgment of Matt 25:31-46 somewhere in the middle of the millennium... neither at the beginning or the end... Is that correct ???

Respectfully
Mark G.

No. I'm sorry if my writing was not clear -I thought it was: it's at the end of the seven years of tribulation and that seven years begins the 'Day of the LORD -with that 'night' that is darkness; but a night that is only called 'one hour' after all.

The Millinnium, which is the 'last day' -of earth's 'days', counted as 'seven's', begins, according to the LORD Jesus, with the resurrection of the dead in Christ, and the 'laqach' of the living saints at the same time (the two trumpets sound and call the entire congregation to the 'door' of assembly -Numbers 10:1-7), and according to Isaiah 26;19, the 'laqach' of the Church (the Gentile Church that is the 'nation' 'not a people' who received the keeping of the vineyard from Pentecost to the time it is taken out by the 'laqach'), happens immediately before the great tribulation; which tribulation happens in the first seven years of the 'Day of the LORD, itself; and at the end of those seven years, the LORD returns, sends His angels to gather the Elect -every seed of Israel from all nations, brings them back to 'the wilderness' passes them under the rod, purges the rebels and gives the kingdom inheritance to the remaining Jews, who are all born again but not translated to their immortal bodies and who enter the millennium to marry and have families and fill the earth.

the following gathering -harvest- of the Gentile nations happens 'all' immediate to His return, also.
That period of the first seven years of the Millennium is called the 'night' before the Day, and are included in the 'thousand years'.

After the end of that seven year period of darkness, the light of the millinnial day dawns, when the LORD returns and the events unfold as described.

So the gathering of the Elect (all Israel from all Gentiles nations -not one left) and the gathering of the sheep and goats are all at the end of the seven years, and the seven years are the 'night' before the Day, of the entire millianial reign of Peace; and the resurrection at the end of the seven years of all who were marytred for the name of the LORD Jesus Christ during that time marks the end of the first harvest of this earth of souls, and ends the first resurrection, which is of the righteous.

The rest of the dead do not live in their bodies until after the thousand years are complete.
So the end of this age happens in the night before the dawn, that 'one hour' period of time that is actually seven years, which 'all' is part of the 'Day of the LORD -Bible time always has the night before the dawn, too.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

May I point out, that I never said that... Your inference from my previous statements is incorrect..

"the" resurrection mentioned in the following quotes has not taken place...

Luke 20:34-36 Jesus replied, "The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are considered worthy of taking part in that age and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God's children, since they are children of the resurrection.

John 6:39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

John 6:40 For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." (see also verses 44 & 54)

John 11:24 Martha answered, "I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day."

Respectfully
Mark G.

That resurrection at the last day begins the 'last day' according to the LORD, and the last day is earth's last thousand years. those raised who are the dead in Christ do not return to dwell on this earth until after the thousand years is finished, but do reign from the heaven that principlaities and powers and rulers in high places reign from, at this time.
Enoch didn't return after the flood of Noah was over and the Church won't return to this unregenerated earth, but will remain in heaven until the last day is over and the New Beginning has come, earth's 'eighth day'.

 

[Markea]

May I point out, that I never said that... Your inference from my previous statements is incorrect..

"the" resurrection mentioned in the following quotes has not taken place...

Luke 20:34-36 Jesus replied, "The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are considered worthy of taking part in that age and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God's children, since they are children of the resurrection.

John 6:39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

John 6:40 For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." (see also verses 44 & 54)

John 11:24 Martha answered, "I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day."

Respectfully
Mark G.

So, this shows that you agree that the resurrection of the dead will take place in the age to come...and not in this present age..

However, you also mentioned that you most assuredly believe that we're already in the millennial Kingdom of Christ, which means you're amillennial.

Revelation 20 speaks of the thousand (millennial) year reign.. and, I had mentioned earlier that there are three things tied together in these verses...

1) the 1000 year reign
2) the First Resurrection
3) the binding of Satan so that he is unable to deceive the nations..

Revelation 20 shows us that these things are tied together.. ie, you can't have one without the other.. and this is probably why most of those who embrace the doctrine of amillennialism (RCC for one) also believe that the First resurrection is past, and that Satan is currently bound..

So, I'll make an assumption (I know..that's bad) that you also believe that the First resurrection is past, and that Satan is currently bound and unable to deceive the nations at this time..

Is that correct..?

Thus far, you have said that you most assuredly believe that we're in the millennial kingdom of Christ right now.. although you also agree that the resurrection of the dead has not happened, but that it will happen in the age which is to come..

If I am correct in my assumption that you do believe that the first resurrection is past already, and that Satan is currently bound... may I also assume that you believe that these two things happened when Christ came the first time..? ?

It would obviously be much easier for you to simply explain your position, rather than for me to make all of these assumptions.. but like I said.. we're in no rush here.. I'm simply curious as to how you have come to these conclusions.

 

[Mark G.]

So, this shows that you agree that the resurrection of the dead will take place in the age to come...and not in this present age..

I believe the resurrection to be the end of this age and the beginning of the age to come...

Luke 20:34-36 Jesus replied, "The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are considered worthy of taking part in that age and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God's children, since they are children of the resurrection.

However, you also mentioned that you most assuredly believe that we're already in the millennial Kingdom of Christ, which means you're amillennial.

Yes, that is correct I embrace an amillennial position on Revelation 20

Revelation 20 speaks of the thousand (millennial) year reign.. and, I had mentioned earlier that there are three things tied together in these verses...

1) the 1000 year reign
2) the First Resurrection
3) the binding of Satan so that he is unable to deceive the nations..

Revelation 20 shows us that these things are tied together.. ie, you can't have one without the other.. and this is probably why most of those who embrace the doctrine of amillennialism (RCC for one) also believe that the First resurrection is past, and that Satan is currently bound..

So, I'll make an assumption (I know..that's bad) that you also believe that the First resurrection is past, and that Satan is currently bound and unable to deceive the nations at this time..

Is that correct..?

Not quite, the first resurrection is not past, as it is not limited to a specific point in time... I think that may confuse you...

(grandpa has come over for dinner so I have to go for now)

As concerning the binding of Satan... Who is the strong man in Matt 12:29, Mark 3:27 and Luke 11:21 has he been bound?

Respectfully
Mark G.

 

[FreeinChrist]

As concerning the binding of Satan... Who is the strong man in Matt 12:29, Mark 3:27 and Luke 11:21 has he been bound?
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Is the binding of the strong man the same as shutting Satan in the pit and sealing it over so that he cannot deceive the nations for 1000 years?

When has Satan ever been unable to deceive the nations?