False dilemma fallacy. One can repent of unbelief AND of sin.
I don't think I was saying a Christian can't be deceived, nor do I believe that's what scripture teaches. However, in regards to false Christs and the wonders that they perform, the elect cannot be deceived into thinking that it is the true Christ, or a working of the Holy Spirit. The Mark of the Beast is a primary end-time wonder that all who worship the AntiChrist and therefore deceived by his "resurrection" will take; the elect will not be fooled by the resurrection of the AntiChrist when the whole world will wonder after the beast, but rather will refuse the Mark of the Beast and suffer martyrdom for it. That is the loosing of the 5th seal, I believe.
If i'm saved by faith and continue in sin am i still saved? If you say "yes", then you are labeled as an easy believest and are disregarding scriptures like 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and Revelation 21:8 and Matthew 7:21-23
The word "repent" in Greek literally means "a change of mind". While salvation is contingent upon repentance, it's an attitude, not a work, just like faith is an attitude, not a work.Eph 2:8-9 we are saved by Grace through faith NOT OF WORKS.
The Bible never says to repent of your sins. It says multiple times to repent and turn to God, but never repent of your sins.
If i'm saved by faith and continue in sin am i still saved? If you say "yes", then you are labeled as an easy believest and are disregarding scriptures like 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and Revelation 21:8 and Matthew 7:21-23
BUT
If you say "no" then you are saying that it takes faith and works to be saved which is completely unbiblical: Galatians 5:4 Ephesians 2:8-9 Romans 3:28
I propose that salvation can only be obtained when grace is given to you. FOR BY GRACE are we saved through faith. Once God gives you grace, you believe and you turn from your sins. Once one has received grace, they no longer want to sin, they want to obey God. Grace is overlooked in the Bible but you cant have faith or works without grace. Ephesians 2:10 2 Corinthians 12:9 Romans 6:14 Romans 11:6 Hebrews 4:16
And what's your point?If you have the Spirit you are a sheep of the Shepherd. You follow His voice instead of a deceiver's.
(John 10.) If you don't have the Spirit, you do not belong to the Shepherd. (Romans 8:9).
Eph 2:8-9 we are saved by Grace through faith NOT OF WORKS.
The Bible never says to repent of your sins. It says multiple times to repent and turn to God, but never repent of your sins.
If i'm saved by faith and continue in sin am i still saved? If you say "yes", then you are labeled as an easy believest and are disregarding scriptures like 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and Revelation 21:8 and Matthew 7:21-23
BUT
If you say "no" then you are saying that it takes faith and works to be saved which is completely unbiblical: Galatians 5:4 Ephesians 2:8-9 Romans 3:28
I propose that salvation can only be obtained when grace is given to you. FOR BY GRACE are we saved through faith. Once God gives you grace, you believe and you turn from your sins. Once one has received grace, they no longer want to sin, they want to obey God. Grace is overlooked in the Bible but you cant have faith or works without grace. Ephesians 2:10 2 Corinthians 12:9 Romans 6:14 Romans 11:6 Hebrews 4:16
The problem with receiving grace PRIOR to having faith in Christ is that the Bible teaches that we rather access the grace God offers us through faith (Romans 5:1-2); this is different from receiving God's grace in order to believe, as you are suggesting. We come to faith by hearing the word of God, (Romans 10:17, "Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God). As a result of this faith, we access God's grace and are justified and saved (Romans 10:9, Romans 3:24, Ephesians 2:8-9).
"Go and sin no more" is a primary exhortation for every saved person, but it is rather impossible to repent from sins generally. Some sins we can rid ourselves of through the power of the Spirit and diligence, but we will remain sinful for the rest of our days as a result of our unregenerate flesh. "He that is dead is freed from sin," as the Bible teaches.
To repent means to change your behavior. It's not merely a religious term but in ancient times it carried also a military meaning.
According to Josephus, when Vespasian led his armies into Israel, before he conquered a city he gave its inhabitants "space for repentance". The meaning was that he was giving the inhabitants a chance to cease their rebellion against Rome or face the consequences if they refused. It is no different in Christianity.
The writer to the Hebrews stated that it was one of the fundamentals of Christianity:
Heb 6:1 - Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
Repentance from "dead works" is a requirement of the gospel.
The Bible uses grace many different ways though and needs to be discerned. Grace can either be a free gift of Salvation or it could be a characteristic. IN Eph 2:8-9 it says that we are saved by Grace through faith and that the grace is the free gift of God. when we walk in grace, that is a characteristic of moral goodness and kindness
You stated: "According to Josephus, when Vespasian led his armies into Israel, before he conquered a city he gave its inhabitants "space for repentance". The meaning was that he was giving the inhabitants a chance to cease their rebellion against Rome or face the consequences if they refused. It is no different in Christianity."
What you are saying about Vespasian is that he was giving these religious people the opportunity to conform to Roman pagan laws. What Rome wanted was for the uprising of Christian faith to come to a swift end. They didn't like that the preaching of Jesus was having the effect it was having. They were worried about their stronghold. Rome played the bully.
The Bible NEVER says to repent of your sins. It says multiple times to repent & turn to God, but never repent of your sins.
It wasn't Christians Vespasian was at odds with. It was the Jews during their revolt against Rome 66-73 AD.
That's a thought-provoking topic for sure but repentance, in a nutshell, is the act of having godly sorrow for wrongdoing against God, turning away from it and doing your best not to repeat that sin. But repentance isn't possible for the lost one. Repentance is a spiritual thing. The lost cant understand them nor can they please God.My point was the meaning of repentance.
Not under their own natural moral abilities without God's help, they cant.False dilemma fallacy. One can repent of unbelief AND of sin.
Grace has never been overlooked by the Church. Historically grace is central; it's the work of God in us and a primary difference, for the individual, between the Old and New Covenants. So grace precedes any act of our own; God iniates everything.Eph 2:8-9 we are saved by Grace through faith NOT OF WORKS.
The Bible never says to repent of your sins. It says multiple times to repent and turn to God, but never repent of your sins.
If i'm saved by faith and continue in sin am i still saved? If you say "yes", then you are labeled as an easy believest and are disregarding scriptures like 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and Revelation 21:8 and Matthew 7:21-23
BUT
If you say "no" then you are saying that it takes faith and works to be saved which is completely unbiblical: Galatians 5:4 Ephesians 2:8-9 Romans 3:28
I propose that salvation can only be obtained when grace is given to you. FOR BY GRACE are we saved through faith. Once God gives you grace, you believe and you turn from your sins. Once one has received grace, they no longer want to sin, they want to obey God. Grace is overlooked in the Bible but you cant have faith or works without grace. Ephesians 2:10 2 Corinthians 12:9 Romans 6:14 Romans 11:6 Hebrews 4:16
The Bible never says to repent of your sins. It says multiple times to repent and turn to God, but never repent of your sins.
If i'm saved by faith and continue in sin am i still saved? If you say "yes", then you are labeled as an easy believest and are disregarding scriptures like 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and Revelation 21:8 and Matthew 7:21-23
BUT
If you say "no" then you are saying that it takes faith and works to be saved which is completely unbiblical: Galatians 5:4 Ephesians 2:8-9 Romans 3:28
I propose that salvation can only be obtained when grace is given to you. FOR BY GRACE are we saved through faith. Once God gives you grace, you believe and you turn from your sins. Once one has received grace, they no longer want to sin, they want to obey God. Grace is overlooked in the Bible but you cant have faith or works without grace. Ephesians 2:10 2 Corinthians 12:9 Romans 6:14 Romans 11:6 Hebrews 4:16
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