Repent of our Sins?

[Guojing]

The four Gospels were the ending of the OT, OC, and the beginning of the New, yes... Jesus was doing both in the four gospels...

And I'm taught from the Bible, and the entire Bible, and not primarily a specific church or certain only one denomination only, of that I can assure you, K...?

God Bless!

Yes, all scripture is written FOR us, but not all are written TO or ABOUT us.

 

[Neogaia777]

Yes, all scripture is written FOR us, but not all are written TO or ABOUT us.

Takes discernment since He was doing both...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

You are speaking from the perspective of a Gentile, which is correct, but do you find it difficult to understand the perspective of a Jew, who was under the Law of Moses all the way, before and during the time of the 4 Gospels?

I suspect Jesus was trying to use a little bit of reverse psychology on them maybe, or so to speak maybe, etc, to end the OT Law Covenant, or bring them to the end of it, and the end of themselves, etc, and that/those ways, etc, and then point them to the New (covenant, testament, way, etc) (Gospel of Love, Mercy, Grace, real Truth, etc) which would begin with Him, etc...

If they could come to that and realize that that is...?

And embrace it/that/Him, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

 

[Guojing]

I suspect Jesus was trying to use a little bit of reverse psychology on them maybe, or so to speak maybe, etc, to end the OT Law Covenant, or bring them to the end of it, and the end of themselves, etc, and that/those ways, etc, and then point them to the New (covenant, testament, way, etc) (Gospel of Love, Mercy, Grace, real Truth, etc) which would begin with Him, etc...

If they could come to that and realize that that is...?

And embrace it/that/Him, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

Yep I understand where that view comes from. Those who have this belief that there will is only ONE gospel ever, which is the death burial and resurrection of Christ, tend to share that view.

They don't believe that the Gospel of the Kingdom was actually the promise of a physical kingdom for the Jews.

 

[Neogaia777]

Yep I understand where that view comes from. Those who have this belief that there will is only ONE gospel ever, which is the death burial and resurrection of Christ, tend to share that view.

They don't believe that the Gospel of the Kingdom was actually the promise of a physical kingdom for the Jews.

There will eventually be an actual physical Kingdom or Heaven on Earth and/or joined and/or connected to Earth for the Jews, from which there will be and actual physical Israel and Jerusalem that will be leading other nations and/or ruling the world (in peace) at that time from there, etc...

That promise still stands, etc, just has not been fully realized or has come yet, etc...

And Christ will be it's King and/or ruler from there at that time, etc...

But it has not come yet, etc...

Cause it will be Heaven on Earth, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Yep I understand where that view comes from. Those who have this belief that there will is only ONE gospel ever, which is the death burial and resurrection of Christ, tend to share that view.

They don't believe that the Gospel of the Kingdom was actually the promise of a physical kingdom for the Jews.

Are there two (or more) Gospels...?

God Bless!

 

[Guojing]

Are there two (or more) Gospels...?

God Bless!

Gospel means "good news". There are various good news given in the OT and finally by Paul to all of us Gentiles.

I regard Ephesians 2 and 3 to be the best example of the good news for all of us gentiles who were excluded from any of the other good news, ever since God chose Abraham and gave him the good news (gospel) in Genesis 12, 15 and 17.

 

[Neogaia777]

Gospel means "good news". There are various good news given in the OT and finally by Paul to all of us Gentiles.

I regard Ephesians 2 and 3 to be the best example of the good news for all of us gentiles who were excluded from any of the other good news, ever since God chose Abraham and gave him the good news (gospel) in Genesis 12, 15 and 17.

Well, I am talking about "The Gospel" or the "good news" "about Jesus Christ" for which people like Paul, says there is only one real true one in that regard, and one that is "anti" or goes against it, that he talks about in books like Galatians, etc...

And it (the one that is "anti") is associated with the OT Law Covenant, etc... or the old ways of keeping and/or obeying it and/or fulfilling it anyway...

Promises, or just some general good news, etc, is different from what most refer to as "The Gospel", etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

 

[Guojing]

Well, I am talking about "The Gospel" or the "good news" "about Jesus Christ" for which people like Paul, says there is only one real true one in that regard, and one that is "anti" or goes against it, that he talks about in books like Galatians, etc...

And it (the one that is "anti") is associated with the OT Law Covenant, etc... or the old ways of keeping and/or obeying it and/or fulfilling it anyway...

Promises, or just some general good news, etc, is different from what most refer to as "The Gospel", etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

Yes, currently the only good news that is valid is the Gospel of Grace given to Paul.

The other good news were given in time past. One of them, the gospel of the Kingdom, is put on hold until after the rapture.

 

[Strong in Him]

The new covenant could not have begun until Jesus died, which did not take place until the end of the 4 Gospels, so your point about "When Jesus, God, came into this world everything changed." is incorrect (Hebrews 9:16-17).

As for your other point about something Jesus never said, he said that literally in (Matthew 5:19-20)

Well I think this is really a debate for another thread; it is off topic for this one.
But briefly; of course everything changed when God himself walked on earth. OT folk believed that if a person saw God they would die; God even said to Moses "no one may see my face and live", Exodus 33:20. Yet people looked at, and touched Jesus, who was God, 1 John 1:1-2.
Jesus offered eternal life; even OT sacrifices made under the law could not do that.
Jesus healed, forgave and raised people from the dead. Yes, he came to die and his death was very important, but people had their lives changed by Jesus before the cross. He was the Word made flesh; he showed people what God was like.

If we are in Jesus, our righteousness DOES exceed that of the Pharisees. Jesus was made sin for us so that we might become righteous, 2 Corinthians 5:21. Righteousness is not about doing good works and trying to be ultra pious. The Pharisees were trying to do this; they were trusting in their works, and the law, to save them. We are righteous because we are in Jesus and he has made us righteous.

 

[Guojing]

If we are in Jesus, our righteousness DOES exceed that of the Pharisees. Jesus was made sin for us so that we might become righteous, 2 Corinthians 5:21. Righteousness is not about doing good works and trying to be ultra pious. The Pharisees were trying to do this; they were trusting in their works, and the law, to save them. We are righteous because we are in Jesus and he has made us righteous.

This is a good example of someone inserting Paul into the 4 gospels.

Don't anticipate revelation when you read Matthew-John. The 4 gospels era was still under the Law of Moses.

 

[Neogaia777]

The other good news were given in time past. One of them, the gospel of the Kingdom, is put on hold until after the rapture.

The physical manifestation of it, but the Kingdom is already and has always been here "technically speaking", etc, the two are just not "joined" yet, etc, (ever since the fall, etc) there is still some disconnect/separation yet still with them still right now, etc...

But won't be anymore very soon, etc, or hopefully very soon, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Guojing]

The physical manifestation of it, but the Kingdom is already and has always been here "technically speaking", etc, the two are just not "joined" yet, etc, (ever since the fall, etc) there is still some disconnect/separation yet still with them still right now, etc...

But won't be anymore very soon, etc, or hopefully very soon, etc...

God Bless!

Yes, you might say Jesus is now sitting on the right hand side of the God the Father in the heavenly throne.

But he is coming back to sit on David's throne in Jerusalem in the future, that is the physical kingdom.

 

[Strong in Him]

This is a good example of someone inserting Paul into the 4 gospels.

Don't anticipate revelation when you read Matthew-John. The 4 gospels era was still under the Law of Moses.

I disagree.
If you start a new thread, I'll continue the discussion.

 

[Guojing]

I disagree.
If you start a new thread, I'll continue the discussion.

Which point are you disagreeing with? Is it The 4 gospels era was still under the Law of Moses.?

 

[Neogaia777]

Which point are you disagreeing with? Is it The 4 gospels era was still under the Law of Moses.?

It (the four gospels era) was also in the process of being delivered from the Law of Moses at the same time also, for both Jew and Gentile, etc...

The groundwork/foundation for the NC was being laid at, or around, or during, or "at the same time" that the Old was being finished or was being completed or was being laid to rest or was being finished/and all but done away with, etc, in Jesus Christ, etc... Or that, "that way" was being done away with anyway, etc, but not the whole entire standard completely, etc...

Anyway, there is a great, great deal in the four gospels that are about this new covenant and new covenant way, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Strong in Him]

Which point are you disagreeing with? Is it The 4 gospels era was still under the Law of Moses.?

Yes.

 

[Guojing]

Okay, this kind of doctrine is hard to change so let’s agree to disagree.

Too many churches out there preach almost exclusively from the 4 gospels and the words are even in red in some bibles.

To accept that Jesus was not sent to the gentiles then will understandably be hard.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Well I think this is really a debate for another thread; it is off topic for this one.
But briefly; of course everything changed when God himself walked on earth. OT folk believed that if a person saw God they would die; God even said to Moses "no one may see my face and live", Exodus 33:20. Yet people looked at, and touched Jesus, who was God, 1 John 1:1-2.
Jesus offered eternal life; even OT sacrifices made under the law could not do that.
Jesus healed, forgave and raised people from the dead. Yes, he came to die and his death was very important, but people had their lives changed by Jesus before the cross. He was the Word made flesh; he showed people what God was like.

If we are in Jesus, our righteousness DOES exceed that of the Pharisees. Jesus was made sin for us so that we might become righteous, 2 Corinthians 5:21. Righteousness is not about doing good works and trying to be ultra pious. The Pharisees were trying to do this; they were trusting in their works, and the law, to save them. We are righteous because we are in Jesus and he has made us righteous.

It's a judicial reckoning received by faith.

 

[faroukfarouk]

The Bible never says to repent once only and then never do so again. Repent means to turn away from. We should be constantly turning away from sin, temptation and the world and towards God.

It's a constant attitude of heart, brought by the goodness of God (Romans 2).