Reparative theropy

[Phinehas2]

Thanks Jet_A_Jockey, yes thats correct, rather more precisely I am saying the Bible says that.
Luke 18:27 "Jesus replied, "What is impossible with men is possible with God."
Matt 19:26 "Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
even Eph 3:20 "Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen. "

 

[HaloHope]

In answer to the op:

Reperative therapy is a disturbing evil practice which has been shown to do harm to many people. A persons sexual orientation does not change, it is what it is.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Halohope

Reperative therapy is a disturbing evil practice which has been shown to do harm to many people.

I partly agree with you here.

A persons sexual orientation does not change, it is what it is.

Then you alos dont beleve the Bible when it says all things are possible with God. Can I ask you, do you believe God created the universe and everything in it? If He did, surely He can change a persons sexual desires with His eyes closed.

 

[HaloHope]

Dear Halohope
I partly agree with you here.
Then you alos dont beleve the Bible when it says all things are possible with God. Can I ask you, do you believe God created the universe and everything in it? If He did, surely He can change a persons sexual desires with His eyes closed.

God can of course do anything. He could turn people ppurple with pink spots if he chose too. He dosent however turn people purple with pink spots or change peoples orientation as neither is nessecery for God to do.

 

[dayhiker]

I didn't reply to the poll, because my answer isn't listed.

Most people don't change their sexual orientation. But some do.

In general God doesn't seem to change many people from one sexual orientation to another. So for a group to people a person thru a lot of guilt and pressure and try to tell that person that this is God changing them is wrong in my book.

dayhiker

 

[MercyBurst]

Can someone truly be "cured" of homosexuality? several religious groups say so, while practically every single major medical association in the world condemns it. What do you think? can homosexuals change their orientation? I myself don't and find the whole idea that I can become straight to be crazy.

It's a known fact that human sexuality changes over time regardless of one's religious persuasion. In my lifetime I've seen straights turn gay and gays turn straight.

Look at the people in the public eye that have crossed over -- Elton John from married to totally gay, David Bowie from bisexual to married, Anne Heche from gay to married.

To rationalize all this away, one political wing defines sexuality in a such way that change isn't really possible. I call it "sexual predestination." It is based on the illogic of a posteriori rationalization where the facts must be forced to explain the "holy grail" theory of "sexual immutability" rather than theory explaining the facts.

This is how it works:

Let's say Anne Heche stays married for the rest of her life and she is no longer physically attracted to the same sex at all. Well then she's a bisexual according to the "predestinators." The fact that she even dabbled with gay sex at some time in her life makes her bi-sexual according to them. It's an irreversable "taint" that she's always stigmatized with by the gay-affirming crowd that says: once-gay always-gay.


Let's say Anne Heche divorces, renounces anything to do with hetero sex -- and says that she's really interested exclusively in the same sex. Well then she's really "gay" according to the predestinators, and she just found it out through self-discovery.

As you can see there is no science involved in this definition. If immutabilaty theory had a scientific basis, then it could be used to predict a person's final sex-orientation long beforehand.

If there was science involved then a person's sexuality could be determined on an a priori basis. To further prove that "immutability" theory is logically flawed, nobody can tell if a person will be gay or straight when they are born.

When human cloning becomes a reality, inevitably there will be two people identical in every respect except one will be gay and the other straight.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

I think he is saying that with God all things are possible, meaning God can do anything. If He can create the universe, then He can most definitely change a sexual orientation.

So a straight man can become gay, is that correct?

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Halohope,
Yes again I partly agree. God's word never testifies to turning people purple as God's purpose, it does however testify to God's people no longer being homosexual offenders. The question debated was whether God could change a sexual orientation and a believer would say yes of course.

 

[lmnop9876]

Dear Halohope,
Yes again I partly agree. God's word never testifies to turning people purple as God's purpose, it does however testify to God's people no longer being homosexual offenders. The question debated was whether God could change a sexual orientation and a believer would say yes of course.

but having a homosexual orientation does not necessarily mean that someone will not be a 'homosexual offender.' if a homosexual Christian is convicted and convinced that same-sex sexual acts are sinful and determines not to continue in those acts, they can still remain as a proud and passionate homosexual person without committing those acts.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear ChaliceThunder,

So a straight man can become gay, is that correct?

Yes of course if you believe the Bible.

PS. what about those like Freddy Mercury who never said he had same-sex desires when he was with his girlfriend and according to her never showed any, then he started having sex with men and abandoned sex with his girlfriend.? What evidcence have you got that he was ever bisexual? The evidence suggests he was heterosexual and then changed to homosexual.
Incidenatly, if I recall correctly his said his girlfriend remained his best friend.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear pjw

but having a homosexual orientation does not necessarily mean that someone will not be a 'homosexual offender.' if a homosexual Christian is convicted and convinced that same-sex sexual acts are sinful and determines not to continue in those acts,

then they are Christians who are homosexuals yes! and there are plenty of Christians who have same sex attraction and have to resist temptations.

they can still remain as a proud and passionate homosexual person without committing those acts.

Basially what do you mean by passionate? I am not sure thats correct. I dont know any Christian who is a passionate heterosexual? Passionate Christians yes

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

It's a known fact that human sexuality changes over time regardless of one's religious persuasion. In my lifetime I've seen straights turn gay and gays turn straight.

Look at the people in the public eye that have crossed over -- Elton John from married to totally gay, David Bowie from bisexual to married, Anne Heche from gay to married.

To rationalize all this away, one political wing defines sexuality in a such way that change isn't really possible. I call it "sexual predestination." It is based on the illogic of a posteriori rationalization where the facts must be forced to explain the "holy grail" theory of "sexual immutability" rather than theory explaining the facts.

This is how it works:

Let's say Anne Heche stays married for the rest of her life and she is no longer physically attracted to the same sex at all. Well then she's a bisexual according to the "predestinators." The fact that she even dabbled with gay sex at some time in her life makes her bi-sexual according to them. It's an irreversable "taint" that she's always stigmatized with by the gay-affirming crowd that says: once-gay always-gay.


Let's say Anne Heche divorces, renounces anything to do with hetero sex -- and says that she's really interested exclusively in the same sex. Well then she's really "gay" according to the predestinators, and she just found it out through self-discovery.

As you can see there is no science involved in this definition. If immutabilaty theory had a scientific basis, then it could be used to predict a person's final sex-orientation long beforehand.

If there was science involved then a person's sexuality could be determined on an a priori basis. To further prove that "immutability" theory is logically flawed, nobody can tell if a person will be gay or straight when they are born.

When human cloning becomes a reality, inevitably there will be two people identical in every respect except one will be gay and the other straight.

So have you ever walked on the wild side ?

 

[BAFRIEND]

I would say give the therapy a try.

What is the alternative: eternal damnation.

I am not saying homosexuals cannot overcome their sinful orientation on their own or thorugh a solo quest with God, just that it could not hurt to get some help by professionals who know what they are talking about.

 

[lmnop9876]

Basially what do you mean by passionate? I am not sure thats correct. I dont know any Christian who is a passionate heterosexual? Passionate Christians yes

passionate about the fact that they are both homosexual and Christian. passionate about reaching other homosexual people with the Gospel and letting people know about their experiences as a homosexual Christian.

 

[lmnop9876]

I would say give the therapy a try.

What is the alternative: eternal damnation.

I am not saying homosexuals cannot overcome their sinful orientation on their own or thorugh a solo quest with God, just that it could not hurt to get some help by professionals who know what they are talking about.

I am confused. One day you are saying that homosexual orientation in and of itself is not sinful and that it only the gay lifestyle that is sinful, but now you are saying that homosexual orientation is sinful and will lead to eternal damnation?

 

[MrPirate]

Then you alos dont beleve the Bible when it says all things are possible with God. Can I ask you, do you believe God created the universe and everything in it? If He did, surely He can change a persons sexual desires with His eyes closed.

The implication being that God can also change a person’s skin color…should that person pray hard enough. So...does God do this?

 

[BAFRIEND]

Is there a bootcamp for homosexuals ?

You know. like they have for troubled teens ?

I have never heard of one, have you ?

 

[MrPirate]

Most people don't change their sexual orientation. But some do.

who?

 

[BAFRIEND]

I am confused. One day you are saying that homosexual orientation in and of itself is not sinful and that it only the gay lifestyle that is sinful, but now you are saying that homosexual orientation is sinful and will lead to eternal damnation?

I have never swayed from stating that homosexuality is an objectively moral evil nor from my belief that the homosexual orientation in and of itself is not damning, but that leading a gay lifestyle is.

My implication is that the orientation itself can lead one to damnation through sin and temptation and that one should try to conquer it.

 

[ALiberalTeen]

I really wish the theropy worked