Religion and Gender

[Cearbhall]

Can they serve in clerical roles?

In my religion, yes. There are no barriers.

 

[Cearbhall]

Let's get this straight though.
Seeing as monogamous mammals have to have more than 2 children on average to maintain the population , Women on average have more than 2 children to bring forth and bring up.
This is the most important thing in their lives, their bodies are made for this, only women can do this.
That is, in the ideal situation of a married couple having kids and live together as a family.

The idea that this is a low position in life is nonsensical.

Oddly, respect for mothers and support for the role of motherhood is one of the things that people at all points on the political spectrum seem to agree on, albeit in different ways.

 

[Paidiske]

Everyone had a mum, Cearbhall...

 

[Cearbhall]

2. Egalitarianism ( the view of many Lutherans including myself ) the view that because men and women are equal , there should be no gener roles imposed , in or outside the church

3. Feminism the view that goes farther then the first two

Wait, how does it go further than that (on the matter of gender roles)?
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Do we now? That's news to me. I want six kids or so, personally. What study found that? I haven't read it, you'll have to link me.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

It's bizarre to hear what some people associate with feminism these days.
I mean, where do they even get those ideas?

"I want women and men to have equal rights, but I'm not a feminist."
Yes. Yes, you are. Very much so.
That is literally the dictionary definition of the term.

Don't believe me? Here, take a look:

feminist
adjective, Sometimes, feministic
1.
advocating social, political, legal, and economic rights for women equal to those of men.
noun
2.
an advocate of such rights. (source)

 

[awitch]

It's bizarre to hear what some people associate with feminism these days.
I mean, where do they even get those ideas?

Right wing talking heads and church leaders, of course.

 

[Taom Ben Robert]

Wait, how does it go further than that (on the matter of gender roles)?

Do we now? That's news to me. I want six kids or so, personally. What study found that? I haven't read it, you'll have to link me.

Christian feminism goes farther in that it's view of Abrahamic history is negative instead of balanced , Christian egalitarians and complementarians hold to a more balanced view of history . It's theology is also more moderate .

 

[Taom Ben Robert]

It's bizarre to hear what some people associate with feminism these days.
I mean, where do they even get those ideas?

"I want women and men to have equal rights, but I'm not a feminist."
Yes. Yes, you are. Very much so.
That is literally the dictionary definition of the term.

Don't believe me? Here, take a look:

feminist
adjective, Sometimes, feministic
1.
advocating social, political, legal, and economic rights for women equal to those of men.
noun
2.
an advocate of such rights. (source)

Not necessarily , as their are other movement who do the same , humanism for example

 

[MehGuy]

Not necessarily , as their are other movement who do the same , humanism for example

Silly really. If people want to shove labels down others throats it should go both ways. While meninism is a spoof movement, I don't see why we can't make menism an official definition that means equality between the sexes.

So when people go, "I believe in equality" and others are like "well then you're a feminist like me" then you can respond with "you're a meninist too." Then they might respond with dissatisfaction. And you can be like "Huh? You don't like having labels shoved down your throat too?"

And I guess feminist and MRA hybrids exist, lol.

Although sometimes I think the best way to fight feminist hypocrisy is from within, so yeah maybe adopting the feminist title would be worthwhile, lol. Call me a feminist, I still won't coddle you or feed into your persecution fetish. I'd suspect most feminists would be like "ok you're not a feminist just get out of our movement!" lol.

 

[Taom Ben Robert]

Silly really. If people want to shove labels down others throats it should go both ways. While meninism is a spoof movement, I don't see why we can't make menism an official definition that means equality between the sexes.

So when people go, "I believe in equality" and others are like "well then you're a feminist like me" then you can respond with "you're a meninist too." Then they might respond with dissatisfaction. And you can be like "Huh? You don't like having labels shoved down your throat too?"

And I guess feminist and MRA hybrids exist, lol.

Although sometimes I think the best way to fight feminist hypocrisy is from within, so yeah maybe adopting the feminist title would be worthwhile, lol. Call me a feminist, I still won't coddle you or feed into your persecution fetish. I'd suspect most feminists would be like "ok you're not a feminist just get out of our movement!" lol.

Since when do I have a persecution fetish ??

 

[MehGuy]

Since when do I have a persecution fetish ??

Are you even a feminist?

Obviously not all feminist have persecution fetishes, although I've met enough to warrant it a realistic label.

 

[pescador]

Blatantly false from a historical standpoint , and anyway both genders submit to Christ , the Scriptures teach mutual submission , patriarchy is Heterodox

Excellent post!!

 

[MehGuy]

Sklyer you can't paint all feminists with the same brush.

If you want to not be a feminist that's fine, personally I think feminism is generally too toxic to be worthwhile and adopting the term myself wouldn't be a productive move, but I also acknowledge that some decent feminists do exist and that feminism can come in all different shapes and sizes.

 

[Cearbhall]

I think the old school feminists had more of a hatred for men.

I agree. Some of their statements shock me, but I try to remember that an American woman 50 years ago had been through a lot more than I'll ever know. It may have indeed seemed that men were inherently a problem. My quality of life as a woman is relatively fantastic because of their anger and refusal to let the problems persist.

 

[pescador]

All,

I have been married to the same wonderful woman for 47 years. We have always considered ourselves to be entirely equal partners in our marriage, in our parenting (and grandparenting) and in life itself. We have never thought of believing any particularly human ideology, but realize that God joined us together in love. We are together as one, with Christ Jesus as our Lord.

Anyone who can't understand what the joining of male and female as equals truly means doesn't have the Holy Spirit given by God that will lead us into all truth.

 

[pescador]

Women, can you imagine being in any kind of relationship with this guy??

 

[Cearbhall]

Women, can you imagine being in any kind of relationship with this guy??

Of course not. I wasn't going to bring this up, because I always seek to take the high road and this is really beside the matter at hand, but since you asked. I wouldn't let anyone who talks this way be around any children who are in my care, much less father them.

 

[pescador]

Of course not. I wasn't going to bring this up, because I always seek to take the high road and this is really beside the matter at hand, but since you asked. I wouldn't let anyone who talks this way be around any children who are in my care, much less father them.

Great!!

 

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[durangodawood]

...The idea that this is a low position in life is nonsensical.

The 'height' of that position is what we make it. Could be rock bottom, could be elevated, depending on the disposition of the culture.