if the concept was in fact false then the other would also be false which would contradict scripture.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
show me a bible passage that explains a fetus before birth committing a sin.
I never said that is what the Bible says. I said that the disciples might have thought it was possible because of what Psalm 51:5 says.
Psalm 51:5 is referring to david killing a man over his lust for a woman.
Being "sinful from conception" refers to killing Uriah? So, before David was born, he killed Uriah? I didn't realize that.
there are many books quoted in scripture that we dont have today.
Yeah, you're just taking a shot in the dark with that one. You're going have to do better than that.
of the Jewish sects in the days of Jesus and the 12, Essenes, Nazarenes, pharisees, zealots, sadducees, all but one believed in pre existance and this means no one believed in pre existence?
I never said "no one believed it". But four groups believing it is a far cry from "the vast majority" believing it. Particularly since the vast majority of the population didn't belong to any of those groups.
so now people can die more than once?
You're confusing a general rule for a universal one.
28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
are you sure?
Yes I am. I like how you left the word "ALSO" out of the verse, it right after "Christ"
The whole passage reads:
"And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this
comes judgment, 28 so Christ also, having been offered once..."
Notice it says "appointed for MEN" (plural) to die once. If it's just about Jesus, did Jesus suddenly become a group of people? Notice it also says, "Christ was ALSO" offered once. If the first part is about Jesus, why would the second part say, "oh, yeah, this happened to Christ, too"? According to you, the passage is saying, "it was appointed to Jesus to die once, and Jesus also died once." What kind of sense does that make??
Mark 9:13
"But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him."
First, read that section again, try a couple different commentaries as well if you can find some. There's no reincarnation there. Second, Elijah never died, plus he's still Elijah - so if this was even talking about a return as you think, it's not even reincarnation.
Job 1:21
Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked I shall return there.
You're looking at poetry, it's figurative. Job is talking about his body returning to the earth. The creation account has Adam made out of the ground. And the ancient Hebrews saw the earth figuratively as the mother of everyone. The apocryphal writing Ecclesiasticus specifically mentions it in chapter 40, verse 1 - "Great labour is created for all men, and a heavy yoke is upon the children of Adam, from the day of their coming out of their mother's womb, until the day of
their burial into the mother of all."