Regarding teaching evolution / creation in the schools.

[duordi]

The real answer: it doesn't.

I predict Duane will think it does somehow by making up more garbage.

I will put you down as...

Slow and non catastrophic model is the only acceptable model regardless of the evidence.

If my assumption is incorrect please correct me.

Duane

PS

And I will note Asimov as similar to above but in addition hell has to freeze over. Ha Ha.

Honestly, I had no idea that you guys were so closed minded.

It's like evolution is a religion or something.

You know... the old, don't bother discussing facts because I'm infallible attitude.

After all we don't know everything for sure yet.

Well at least I don't know everything for sure yet.

But of course I didn't mean to insinuate that you...

Um...

I think I'll quit here.


Duane

 

[Tomk80]

I will put you down as...

Slow and non catastrophic model is the only acceptable model regardless of the evidence.

If my assumption is incorrect please correct me.

Duane

Hint: post #5

 

[duordi]

You are strawmanning here. You were already called on this strawman in post #5. You happily go on strawmanning anyway. If you want to see why your assumption is incorrect, study post #5. If you don't understand post #5, ask questions about it, and we'll all be willing to explain post #5 more in depth.

And now I hope I have called enough attention to post #5, and hope that post #5 will be read thoroughly by Duordi, so Duordi can stop strawmanning after reading post #5.

This thread is not about my ideas but about getting a teaching scope that would be acceptable to the majority.

If you don't give an idea of what scope you will accept or some idea of how close a theory has to match the evidence to be acceptabe then I will assume you are dogmatic about your position.

If you are dogmatic about your position that is fine, you have answered all my questions.

I should appologise to Randall McNally as post #5 was very helpful.

Please be patient with me as I see the names but I can't always remember what was said in every post.

Be assured that before I make the final summary I will read them all again.

Duane

 

[Tomk80]

This thread is not about my ideas but about getting a teaching scope that would be acceptable to the majority.

If you don't give an idea of what scope you will accept or some idea of how close a theory has to match the evidence to be acceptabe then I will assume you are dogmatic about your position.

If you are dogmatic about your position that is fine, you have answered all my questions.

I should appologise to Randall McNally as post #5 was very helpful.

Please be patient with me as I see the names but I can't always remember what was said in every post.

Be assured that before I make the final summary I will read them all again.

Duane

The question is, do you see now why your devision of catastrophic/non-catastrophic is nonsense?

 

[duordi]

Hint: post #5

I will guess if you wish but I of course may get your opnion wrong.
So you don't mind catastrophic theorys being presented in the classroom.

In post #5 catastrophic events are considered plasable so the theory about a meteor causing the dinos to go extint is probably OK with him has long as it is not taught as a fact but as a theory.

Duane

 

[MartinM]

Well? Surely, if you're making the claim, you have a statistical analysis to back it up? You couldn't just be looking at the picture and trying to eyeball a pattern, could you? That would be rather silly.

What, no evidence? Can't support your claim? What a surprise.

 

[Tomk80]

I will guess if you wish but I of course may get your opnion wrong.

Duane

Guess.

 

[Big Rob]

I place duane in the "I make up crazy theories and then post about them on the internet while calling everyone who doesn't believe them closed minded" group.

If you feel that I have gotten your opinion wrong, please feel free aknowledge that I'm right.

 

[duordi]

What, no evidence? Can't support your claim? What a surprise.

I guess your right, I recant, meteors didn't hit North America or Europe.

You know its funny, now that I have adopted you opnion I feel so much better, you know, now that we are really scientific and everything.

Would you like to join me in stating a pitition to get that evil meteor web site removed from the web?

I mean if we let them exist they may influence some impressionable teacher to tell high school students that meteors actually exist.

Ha. Ha.

That was sure a fun, I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did.

Duane

 

[MartinM]

...what the hell are you raving about?

 

[duordi]

Guess.

I have already.

Duane

 

[duordi]

I place duane in the "I make up crazy theories and then post about them on the internet while calling everyone who doesn't believe them closed minded" group.

If you feel that I have gotten your opinion wrong, please feel free aknowledge that I'm right.

Do you think the dinos were killed by a meteor?


Duane

 

[Big Rob]

Do you think the dinos were killed by a meteor?


Duane

Nonsense. They were killed by the flood.

 

[duordi]

...what the hell are you raving about?

I don't know all of a sudden I seem to have absorbed an overdose of sarcasm from your posts.

I am back to normal now, what ever that is.

Duane

 

[LittleNipper]

I remember Follower of Christ used to ask for "Absolute Proof!!!" before he would accept evolution. Are you asking for the same thing? If so, you will never get it, because science does not deal in "proof."

Do you expect "Absolute Proof!!!" before you accept Jesus Christ as LORD of your life? If so, you will never have it (in this life) because Christianity is founded in FAITH.

 

[MartinM]

I am back to normal now, what ever that is.

Oh, good. How about providing some evidence to support your claims, then?


Wait...that's not normal for you, is it?

 

[AirPo]

Do you expect "Absolute Proof!!!" before you accept Jesus Christ as LORD of your life? If so, you will never have it (in this life) because Christianity is founded in FAITH.

That's the nice thing about evolution. It's founded on evidence, not faith.

 

[LittleNipper]

Science is always willing to "update" theories when new evidence suggests that it is necessary. This is why Creationism is not scientific, even after you tack the word "Science" to the end of it.

It is your contention that belief in creationism is necessary for salvation. I find it strange indeed that a "merciful and loving" God would damn his children to eternal hellfire and suffering because they believed what the evidence suggested to them, and still believed in him.

You cannot call something prone to change and ever changing FACT. Facts never change. ONLY Assumptions do. They change as additional facts are added and understood. Creationists and Christians need to wait until ALL the facts are found and understood. We are held accountable for designing tales and calling them FACT. You will not find good Creationists doing this. They will present possibilities as such and give their reasons. Evolutionists will present their theory as truth, and claim to be fine tuning the explanation of THEIR "truth" at the exclusion of all other consideration, because they do not mention GOD. This seems a VERY POOR REASON to pass hype off as fact and educate students who know no better...

 

[duordi]

Although it has been fun trading insults we seem to have degenerated from my original purpose of determining if there could be common ground for a catastrophic and non-catastrophic theory presented in schools.

Post #5 made up for a lot of unsults and gave in my opnion a good summary of information that would be acceptable to reasonable scientific minds.
Thank you Randall McNally

I did not get any input from the YEC side but it may be that I picked the wrong location for this particular discussion.

Thank you all for your partisipation.

Purhaps I will start some threads on some catastrophic theories in some new threads as it seem to be what is really of interest here, judging but the direction the conversations drift.


Duane

 

[LittleNipper]

That's the nice thing about evolution. It's founded on evidence, not faith.

Making up stories to understand evidence is stupidity... Faith grows with experiance, understanding, and devotion...