Refuting Sola Scriptura - Why the Bible Alone is Not Sufficient

[BobRyan]

No. The Catholic faith is this, we believe in holy scripture, in holy tradition, and in the magisterium. take one away and the whole structure collapses.

So if any one of the three are found to be in error -- Catholicism collapses?

 

[BobRyan]

If Scripture alone cannot decide if the soul sleeps or not and if annihilationism is true or not then it is not sufficient to decide all matters of doctrine and practise is it? And why does SDA opinion trump Methodist opinion? Is it by vote? Majority wins?

Again you are pointing to a problem with a cross-denominational context - one that the RCC has no solution for.

And one that we see in operation in Acts 17:11 and in Act 13, and in Acts 17, and in Acts 18 -- and we see that the Bible does have a solution for it - but not everyone accepts it.

 

[patricius79]

How do we know when "the tradition" is from God, or is Gods will, and not from someone else?

Because of the light of the Holy Spirit which teaches us to trust the Vicar of Christ and the Bishops in Communion with him.

 

[Root of Jesse]

So if any one of the three are found to be in error -- Catholicism collapses?

Would never happen, Bob. The Holy Spirit won't let it.

 

[BobRyan]

Would never happen, Bob. The Holy Spirit won't let it.

Traditions of the One True nation church started by God at Sinai -- hammered "sola scriptura" in Mark 7:6-13 -- by Christ Himself.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Traditions of the One True nation church started by God at Sinai -- hammered "sola scriptura" in Mark 7:6-13 -- by Christ Himself.

That's your interpretation, I get it. But we believe you're wrong.

 

[Goatee]

Catholic church will always be protected by Jesus. Sola Scripture is like looking at a foreign language you cant understand and trying to guess what the words say / mean!

 

[thecolorsblend]

Sola Scriptura is just another modish heresy. It's already on the way out. The denominations which advocate it get smaller every year. Eventually there probably won't be any left. The Church will still be going strong though.

 

[Standing Up]

If Scripture alone cannot decide if the soul sleeps or not and if annihilationism is true or not then it is not sufficient to decide all matters of doctrine and practise is it?

Nobody wants to deal with the clear insufficiency demonstrated here.

Scripture can't decide what you should eat for dinner. We're all lost according to your understanding. Wait a minute. You still don't know what SS is.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Scripture can't decide what you should eat for dinner. We're all lost according to your understanding. Wait a minute. You still don't know what SS is.

How about you define what you think Sola Scriptura is (and what it isn't) so that we can all be sure we're on the same page?

 

[Standing Up]

How about you define what you think Sola Scriptura is (and what it isn't) so that we can all be sure we're on the same page?

Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by Scripture alone") is the Christian doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by Scripture alone") is the Christian doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.

I see. And by that reckoning, does a given doctrine have to be explicitly authorized by Sacred Scripture? Or is it sufficient that a given doctrine merely not conflict with Sacred Scripture?

 

[Standing Up]

I see. And by that reckoning, does a given doctrine have to be explicitly authorized by Sacred Scripture? Or is it sufficient that a given doctrine merely not conflict with Sacred Scripture?

Let's take an example of a de fide doctrine. For RC, it must believe Mary is Ever-Virgin. Let's say I disagree that Mary is not EV. We turn to scripture to determine the answer. Let's say scripture is silent on this (potential) doctrine. Then we agree you and I may believe it or not and it has nothing to do with our common Christian faith.

Does it contradict scripture? It can't if scripture is silent. Is it binding? No, because scripture is silent.

Or take the doctrine that Christ died for our sins. Let's say we disagree. We turn to scripture for the answer. Is it silent? No. Does it say one way or the other? Yes. We agree with scripture that Christ died for our sins.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Let's take an example of a de fide doctrine.

Let's not.

I asked a question.

And by that reckoning, does a given doctrine have to be explicitly authorized by Sacred Scripture? Or is it sufficient that a given doctrine merely not conflict with Sacred Scripture?

Which of those is it?

 

[Standing Up]

I see. And by that reckoning, does a given doctrine have to be explicitly authorized by Sacred Scripture? Or is it sufficient that a given doctrine merely not conflict with Sacred Scripture?

There's no sense that we would have a doctrine about which scripture is silent. We might have opinions, but no "of the faith once delivered".

 

[thecolorsblend]

There's no sense that we would have a doctrine about which scripture is silent. We might have opinions, but no "of the faith once delivered".

I see. So a given doctrine, in your view, must be legitimized by Sacred Scripture before it can be accepted. Is that a correct assessment?

 

[Standing Up]

I see. So a given doctrine, in your view, must be legitimized by Sacred Scripture before it can be accepted. Is that a correct assessment?

Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by Scripture alone") is the Christian doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.

Bring your doctrines to scripture. If scripture is silent, then do whatever you want with it. If your doctrine aligns with scripture, then abide. If your doctrine contradicts, then repent (renew your mind with God's word).

 

[Job8]

I see. So a given doctrine, in your view, must be legitimized by Sacred Scripture before it can be accepted. Is that a correct assessment?

Isn't that what Christ and His apostles taught?

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:44-47).

 

[thecolorsblend]

Bring your doctrines to scripture. If scripture is silent, then do whatever you want with it. If your doctrine aligns with scripture, then abide. If your doctrine contradicts, then repent (renew your mind with God's word).

It sounds like you and Job8 disagree then.

Isn't that what Christ and His apostles taught?

 

[Fireinfolding]

Isn't that what Christ and His apostles taught?

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:44-47).

That one always reminded me of this also

Job 32:8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

And since scripture is for reproof also it says,


Prov 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.