Refuting Sola Scriptura - Why the Bible Alone is Not Sufficient

[Standing Up]

It sounds like you and Job8 disagree then.

No, don't disagree at all. Bring your doctrine to scripture.

 

[Rick Otto]

Catholic church will always be protected by Jesus. Sola Scripture is like looking at a foreign language you cant understand and trying to guess what the words say / mean!

1] The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
[2] Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
[3] There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

 

[BobRyan]

That's your interpretation, I get it. But we believe you're wrong.

until you read the Bible in Mark 7:6-13, Acts 17:11, Gal 1:6-9

the mere quote of the text is sufficient to make the argument against speculation raised against SS.

The traditions of the ONE True Nation Church started by God at Sinai - hammered by Christ "Sola scriptura"

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Gal 1:6-9 "though WE (Apostles) or an angel from heaven should preach to you a different Gospel - ... let him be accursed"

Acts 17 in this way "11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, to see IF those things were so."

 

[Goatee]

until you read the Bible in Mark 7:6-13, Acts 17:11, Gal 1:6-9

the mere quote of the text is sufficient to make the argument against speculation raised against SS.

The traditions of the ONE True Nation Church started by God at Sinai - hammered by Christ "Sola scriptura"

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Gal 1:6-9 "though WE (Apostles) or an angel from heaven should preach to you a different Gospel - ... let him be accursed"

Acts 17 in this way "11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, to see IF those things were so."

Again, you interpret that the way 'YOU' see it!

Its obvious that Jesus was on about the 'tradition' of men. Things they did 'in the past'. Mans 'own' 'traditions' of the 'PAST'.

The Apostles and their descendants teach the one and only Gospel! The new Covenant brought by Jesus. The teachings that the Holy Spirit instilled into the Apostles in the upper room to be preached to all and of which, continues to be preached today, through the Catholic church! Through 'Tradition'.

 

[Root of Jesse]

until you read the Bible in Mark 7:6-13, Acts 17:11, Gal 1:6-9

the mere quote of the text is sufficient to make the argument against speculation raised against SS.

The traditions of the ONE True Nation Church started by God at Sinai - hammered by Christ "Sola scriptura"

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Gal 1:6-9 "though WE (Apostles) or an angel from heaven should preach to you a different Gospel - ... let him be accursed"

Acts 17 in this way "11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, to see IF those things were so."

No, it's not. Those in Thessalonica received the word by mouth, oral tradition, as well as studying existing Scripture to see if it was true. But existing Scripture was the OT. In Galatians, preaching = oral Tradition, and certainly, if it was different from what had been preached before, they would be accursed. Mark 7 speaks of not only the written Word, but also the spoken Word, which is what the Catholic Church, and other Apostolic Churches, teach as well.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Again, you interpret that the way 'YOU' see it!

Its obvious that Jesus was on about the 'tradition' of men. Things they did 'in the past'. Mans 'own' 'traditions' of the 'PAST'.

The Apostles and their descendants teach the one and only Gospel! The new Covenant brought by Jesus. The teachings that the Holy Spirit instilled into the Apostles in the upper room to be preached to all and of which, continues to be preached today, through the Catholic church! Through 'Tradition'.

Exactly. The Tradition of the Catholic Church is, by definition, the work of the Holy Spirit, therefore, from God, through man, just as the Scriptures are.

 

[patricius79]

Traditions of the One True nation church started by God at Sinai -- hammered "sola scriptura" in Mark 7:6-13 -- by Christ Himself.

I don't see anything in Mark 7 about Sola Scriptura. It refers to making the Word of God of no effect through false traditions of the Pharisees and Scribes.

Protestants assume that "the Word of God" refers to Scripture Alone. But the Bible never says that.

It does say to hold fast to both the written and the oral traditions.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Jesus says ME (the Word) and MY words (which were God's) so me and my words are really the word of God, since the word (He, Christ, The Word) has spoken will judge him in the last day

 

[patricius79]

Jesus says ME (the Word) and MY words (which were God's) so me and my words are really the word of God, since the word (He, Christ, The Word) has spoken will judge him in the last day

Right: "spoken"

 

[Fireinfolding]

Right: "spoken"

Let me add (here*)

*Yes, Jesus Christ knew how to speak and did so

He had given them Gods words. And just as God spoke to Moses, Jesus said Moses also wrote of me. And those same words God would speak by Jesus are mentioned in Duet 18:18 Then confirmed again by Jesus in John 12:49 and by the apostles also in Acts 3:23

As for Him,

The word He has spoken is mentioned here (along with the same being confirmed already) even by those who heard him.

Heb 2:1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.

Heb 2:2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;

Heb 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

 

[patricius79]

Let me add (here*)

*Yes, Jesus Christ knew how to speak and did so

He had given them Gods words. And just as God spoke to Moses, Jesus said Moses also wrote of me. And those same words God would speak by Jesus are mentioned in Duet 18:18 Then confirmed again by Jesus in John 12:49 and by the apostles also in Acts 3:23

As for Him,

The word He has spoken is mentioned here (along with the same being confirmed already) even by those who heard him.

Heb 2:1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.

Heb 2:2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;

Heb 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

By them that heard him. The Word of God is Oral.

 

[Goatee]

A nice little video for our Sola Scripture believers:

 

[Fireinfolding]

By them that heard him. The Word of God is Oral.

Jesus himself is oral?

Or what he spoke come out of his mouth?

The two edged sword come out of his mouth
the same is given into the hand of the saints.

Which are you saying? If one is to take it up (like when it says take "the sword of" the Spirit) which (to you) is the word of God (as is shown in the hands of them)?

 

[patricius79]

Jesus himself is oral?

Or what he spoke come out of his mouth?

The two edged sword come out of his mouth
the same is given into the hand of the saints.

Which are you saying? If one is to take it up (like when it says take "the sword of" the Spirit) which (to you) is the word of God (as is shown in the hands of them)?

Jesus Himself is the Word of God, yes, and He didn't write anything. He taught orally. As far as I can recall, he didn't even mention a New Testament in any of the Gospels.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Jesus Himself is the Word of God, yes, and He didn't write anything. He taught orally. As far as I can recall, he didn't even mention a New Testament in any of the Gospels.

Jesus knew how to speak through his mouth

Jesus did not have a #2 pencil come out of his mouth

Shows he has a twoedged sword coming out of his mouth

And they have a twoedged sword shown in their hand.

Taking the sword of the Spirit is the word of God.

Maybe someone found pencils

Conversations with you are very strange and never go anywhere patricius79

No God speed to you in your twistiness

 

[patricius79]

Jesus knew how to speak through his mouth

Jesus did not have a #2 pencil come out of his mouth

Shows he has a twoedged sword coming out of his mouth

And they have a twoedged sword shown in their hand.

Taking the sword of the Spirit is the word of God.

Maybe someone found pencils

Conversations with you are very strange and never go anywhere patricius79

No God speed to you in your twistiness

I think that sounds like a poem. What do you mean when you say "Jesus did not have a #2 pencil come out of his mouth Shows he has a twoedged sword coming out of his mouth".

It almost sounds like you are agreeing that Sola Scriptura is a false idea.

 

[Rick Otto]

Sola Scripture.................as interpreted by man! lol

What is your magesterium populated with... unicorns?

 

[Rick Otto]

Nobody ought to make time to type rubbish like your post.

That is what I was saying.


About yours.

 

[Rick Otto]

How about you define what you think Sola Scriptura is (and what it isn't) so that we can all be sure we're on the same page?

How about you pay attention this time instead of expecting him to repeat himself every fifth page.

 

[tulipbee]

Exactly. The Tradition of the Catholic Church is, by definition, the work of the Holy Spirit, therefore, from God, through man, just as the Scriptures are.

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