Refuting OSAS in jesus name

[StephanieSomer]

this was the one I agreed with And it was about heaven coming here It's a view most people forget and not common To hear for me

So, WHY do you keep using the phrase, "go to heaven"?

 

[lori milne]

So, WHY do you keep using the phrase, "go to heaven"?

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I don't know ? what post are you referring to?

 

[lori milne]

"lori milne"] :/? I don't know ? what post are you referring to

 

[FreeGrace2]

Because it's confusing to your theology Or because you take half of my statement and pick at it ?

To be perfectly blunt, your sentences generally are very difficult to understand. Some of them aren't even actual sentences. Please read what you write before you post it to ensure it makes sense.

Read the complete post. It's about the actual meaning of repenting Feeling bad goes with changing ones mind Because God knows your heart So if you don't feel bad you didn't truly repent of the sin or in better words you not going to stop what you don't feel bad about

Your view is wrong. Emotions have no place in change of mind. There are different Greek words for repentance and regret, but unfortunately some of the translations are sloppy and use "repent" when 'regret' is meant.

This is confusing to you because OSAS has no accountability.

I've explained clearly just how much accountability there is, but it is clear that you are not interested in anything that doesn't agree with your own view.

I don't know how sanctification works with OSAS ?

Why is there a question mark at the end of this sentence. It doesn't appear to be asking a question.

The reason you don't know this is because the only accountability in your mind is loss of salvation for sinners.

Im still " trying to get an Understanding but their are far to many scoffers to do this in good cheer

No one has scoffed. Many have offered sound doctrine. And all of it has been ignored.

 

[FreeGrace2]

You can refuse your gift

One who refuses a gift never had it. But once the gift is received through faith, it cannot be revoked. But it is clear that you are going to reject this truth.

Gods plan is all go to heaven that is a Sunday school teaching

What does this have to do with anything?

1 Tim 2:3,4 - 3This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

This is a Sunday School teaching.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I said this:
"Your answers are vague regarding what exactly you'd say about who Jesus is. So, please expand and clarify, specifically. Confession of sins is for those who are saved, and such action saves no one. And a "true account and history and life of God and Jesus doesn't save anyone. And no altar call has EVER saved anyone. And no sinner's prayer has EVER saved anyone. Where in the Bible would anyone read that someone prayed any kind of prayer to be saved? When the jailer asked Paul what he MUST DO to be saved, Paul sure didn't lead him in any kind of prayer. He told him what he MUST DO: which is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. And the result would be that he would be saved."

That's an empty answer

I know how unimpressed with Paul you are, by all your posts. But his answer was solidly Biblical.

How can some one believe in someone they don't know?

One trusts in the promise associated with Christ.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Haha lol
Sorry
I'm a mom of a toddler
Typos are part of parenthood

Meaning that your toddler does your typing??

 

[FreeGrace2]

Il be honest I don't know what to call my beliefs ?
Because this was given to me from God the words I've read my entire life .

This is quite delusional. When John penned the book of Revelation, that was the last revelation from God. He gave mankind everything He wanted us to know. So to claim that your views were given to you from God is rather arrogant.

I think the theology a idea is its assumed you won't want to but it's still am apparent part of a Christians life justified sin?

Once again we have a non sentence. The words don't make any sense. Could you read it again and try to make it undersandable.

 

[Wryetui]

Rom 6:23 says that the gift of God is eternal life. Rom 11:29 says that God's gifts are irrevocable.

It is heretical to claim that eternal life can be revoked. The Bible says not!!

Add to that the FACT that there are absolutely no verses that plainly say that salvtion can be lost.

End of argument.

The Bible says that the salvation has to be worked, is not something you already have it and you can't be sure about it.

Philippians 2:12
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Philippians 3:12-14
12 I don’t mean that I am exactly what God wants me to be. I have not yet reached that goal. But I continue trying to reach it and make it mine. That’s what Christ Jesus wants me to do. It is the reason he made me his. 13 Brothers and sisters, I know that I still have a long way to go. But there is one thing I do: I forget what is in the past and try as hard as I can to reach the goal before me. 14 I keep running hard toward the finish line to get the prize that is mine because God has called me through Christ Jesus to life up there in heaven.


2 Corinthians 4:16
16 That is why we never give up. Our physical body is becoming older and weaker, but our spirit inside us is made new every day.


Hebrews 12:1
We have all these great people around us as examples. Their lives tell us what faith means. So we, too, should run the race that is before us and never quit. We should remove from our lives anything that would slow us down and the sin that so often makes us fall.


Matthew 10:22
22 Everyone will hate you because you follow me. But the one who remains faithful to the end will be saved.

Luke 21:19
19 You will save yourselves by continuing strong in your faith through all these things.

John 15:6
6 If you don’t stay joined to me, you will be like a branch that has been thrown out and has dried up. All the dead branches like that are gathered up, thrown into the fire and burned.

Acts 14:22
22 In those cities they helped the followers grow stronger in their faith and encouraged them to continue trusting God. They told them, “We must suffer many things on our way into God’s kingdom.”

Hebrews 3:14
14 We have the honor of sharing in all that Christ has if we continue until the end to have the sure faith we had in the beginning.

As you see, the Bible states clearly that salvation can be lost if you get aways from it's path, and there are a lot of more verses. The early christians, Fathers and saints consideret it that way, there was no need of the Reform to change it. Sorry if I sound rude but I have to deffend the truth about Christ.

 

[Brother Chris]

The Bible says that the salvation has to be worked, is not something you already have it and you can't be sure about it.

Philippians 2:12
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Philippians 3:12-14
12 I don’t mean that I am exactly what God wants me to be. I have not yet reached that goal. But I continue trying to reach it and make it mine. That’s what Christ Jesus wants me to do. It is the reason he made me his. 13 Brothers and sisters, I know that I still have a long way to go. But there is one thing I do: I forget what is in the past and try as hard as I can to reach the goal before me. 14 I keep running hard toward the finish line to get the prize that is mine because God has called me through Christ Jesus to life up there in heaven.


2 Corinthians 4:16
16 That is why we never give up. Our physical body is becoming older and weaker, but our spirit inside us is made new every day.


Hebrews 12:1
We have all these great people around us as examples. Their lives tell us what faith means. So we, too, should run the race that is before us and never quit. We should remove from our lives anything that would slow us down and the sin that so often makes us fall.


Matthew 10:22
22 Everyone will hate you because you follow me. But the one who remains faithful to the end will be saved.

Luke 21:19
19 You will save yourselves by continuing strong in your faith through all these things.

John 15:6
6 If you don’t stay joined to me, you will be like a branch that has been thrown out and has dried up. All the dead branches like that are gathered up, thrown into the fire and burned.

Acts 14:22
22 In those cities they helped the followers grow stronger in their faith and encouraged them to continue trusting God. They told them, “We must suffer many things on our way into God’s kingdom.”

Hebrews 3:14
14 We have the honor of sharing in all that Christ has if we continue until the end to have the sure faith we had in the beginning.

As you see, the Bible states clearly that salvation can be lost if you get aways from it's path, and there are a lot of more verses. The early christians, Fathers and saints consideret it that way, there was no need of the Reform to change it. Sorry if I sound rude but I have to deffend the truth about Christ.

Good luck trying to save yourself. Make sure you do everything perfectly and without sin, because God is holy and demands sinless perfection. Thank God I stand before God covered in the perfect righteousness of Christ. That is the only righteousness God will accept.

 

[lori milne]

We can't ignore 80% of the bible it must balance out to truly have the correct context

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. ([bless and do not curse]Acts‬ [bless and do not curse]5‬:[bless and do not curse]31‬ KJV)

 

[lori milne]

This is quite delusional. When John penned the book of Revelation, that was the last revelation from God. He gave mankind everything He wanted us to know. So to claim that your views were given to you from God is rather arrogant. Once again we have a non sentence. The words don't make any sense. Could you read it again and try to make it undersandable.

I don't preach to scoffers

 

[lori milne]

This is quite delusional. When John penned the book of Revelation, that was the last revelation from God. He gave mankind everything He wanted us to know. So to claim that your views were given to you from God is rather arrogant. Once again we have a non sentence. The words don't make any sense. Could you read it again and try to make it undersandable.

I tell you to go in jesus name
Your only hear to cause disputes and take the cheer I've been giving away

I pray your not like Nicholas in acts 6 and rev 6:2 -
If you want to communicate with any one you absolutely have to give the respect to do so in good Christian brotherly cheer

Refuting OSAS in Jesus name was is only here in good cheer
That's why jesus name is up
Amen

 

[EmSw]

Good luck trying to save yourself. Make sure you do everything perfectly and without sin, because God is holy and demands sinless perfection. Thank God I stand before God covered in the perfect righteousness of Christ. That is the only righteousness God will accept.

So you consider it luck when one reads and obeys the Bible?

Where does God demand sinless perfection? Perhaps you could provide passages which state such.

What about the Pharisees who were clean on the outside (covered), but on the inside were full of extortion and self-indulgence? Jesus said to first cleanse the inside that the outside may be clean also.

What about your righteousness? Jesus said in Matthew 5:20,
For I say to you, that unless YOUR righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[FreeGrace2]

The Bible says that the salvation has to be worked, is not something you already have it and you can't be sure about it.

That view is only because of failing to properly understand Phil 2:12. The concept of salvation has 3 tenses: past, present, and future. We have been saved from the penalty of sin through Christ's death on the cross. We are being saved from the power of sin through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and being filled by Him and walking by His means. We will be saved from the presence of sin in eternity.

Phil 2:12 is about being saved from the power of sin. Paul told us that we have to make choices in order to be saved from the power of sin. Same principle found in Rom 6, Gal 5:16, etc.

As you see, the Bible states clearly that salvation can be lost if you get aways from it's path, and there are a lot of more verses.

Not one of the verses provided says that salvation can be lost. One must read into each verse to get that idea. And that is called eisegesis. And there are no verses that say or even imply loss of salvation.

otoh, there are many verses that guarantee our salvation.

The early christians, Fathers and saints consideret it that way, there was no need of the Reform to change it. Sorry if I sound rude but I have to deffend the truth about Christ.

You're not defending truth at all. Loss of salvation is a false doctrine that makes believers think they must work for their salvation. God's plan is to save by grace, through faith, not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph 2:8,9.

Eternal security is plainly indicated in:

Rom 8:38 there is nothing in the future that will separate us from the love of Christ.

John 10:28,29 there is no person (which includes even the believer) who can take us out of God's hand.

God's gifts, which include eternal life (Rom 6:23), salvation (Eph 2:8), and justification (Rom 5:17), are irrevocable (Rom 11;29).

 

[FreeGrace2]

I don't preach to scoffers

This is what I said:

"This is quite delusional. When John penned the book of Revelation, that was the last revelation from God. He gave mankind everything He wanted us to know. So to claim that your views were given to you from God is rather arrogant. Once again we have a non sentence. The words don't make any sense. Could you read it again and try to make it undersandable."

Your statement was delusional by claiming that God gave you revelation. What you have claimed is what the Roman Catholic Church calls speaking "ex cathedra", which defended whatever each pope claimed as being from God. And many popes directly contradicted each other.

And I asked for a clarification of another non sentence, which was ignored.

If your sentences don't make sense, and amount to non sentences, how do you expect anyone to have a real discussion with you?

I wasn't scoffing at anything. I was pointing out problems in your posts.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I tell you to go in jesus name
Your only hear to cause disputes and take the cheer I've been giving away

I'm HERE to defend truth.

Refuting OSAS in Jesus name was is only here in good cheer

There is no good cheer in any false doctrine, which is what your posts support.

That's why jesus name is up
Amen

That's just using His Name in VAIN. Some would call that swearing.

One cannot hide behind the Name of Jesus and promote false doctrine.

 

[lori milne]

Righteousness is in exchange for remission of sin
But what's even better is its Gods imputed righteousness you can turn from any sin your faces with to choose either God or the sin.

He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification!
Romans 4:20-25

It's God in Us that gives us the strength and protection

Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak
[bless and do not curse]Isaiah‬ 59:15-17

true faith brother is believing that "
Which is written in the bible
Believe the entire bible!

He that followeth after righteousness and mercy findeth life, righteousness, and honour.
Proverbs 21:21

Am I saying God gives you the strength to be sin free YES

if your faith can get you to walk on water and move mountains ? Then why are you so week in the faith to believe it can get you to actually just choose NOT to sin
It's a simple choice to be made

If you could go back and redo Adams choice would you have eaten the apple ?
Couldn't you just say no?
God wants us to not want sin and is willing to wait till we do!
Through repenting and jesus blood cleansing you with the sanctification with Gods imputed righteousness you can. Look to the examples in the bible, these men were just men.

Just don't take it for granted like the 5 Virgins

Example of true righteousness
Acts 5:8-11
Just being around the true holly fire they were seen to have deception and they let go of their own spirit!
What righteousness faith this is what I thirst for
And according to the bible its available to us to minister the gospel and feed His sheep!


And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things


Satan wants to destroy the true body of Christ and I think he's dong it !!

Hebrews 10:23
Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised)

Job 27:6
My righteousness I hold fast, and will not let it go: my heart shall not reproach me so long as I live.

Rev 3;11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown

1 Timothy 6:12
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses

We need to truly read and believe all that God says and hold fast.
Amen

 

[lori milne]

I'm HERE to defend truth. There is no good cheer in any false doctrine, which is what your posts support. That's just using His Name in VAIN. Some would call that swearing. One cannot hide behind the Name of Jesus and promote false doctrine.

I'm not promoting false doctrine I'm refuting it
" refuting OSAS in Jesus name "

 

[FreeGrace2]

I'm not promoting false doctrine I'm refuting it
" refuting OSAS in Jesus name "

No you're not. Your view has been refuted.

Way back on p. 56, and post #556, I challenged your view that Christ died only for "past sins" with this:

"If Christ only died for "past sins", as being claimed, then He didn't die for all of them, which is NOT stated anywhere in Scripture. Your view is wholly unsubstantiated in Scripture.

Further, the Greek word for "once for all" found in Rom 6:10, Heb 7:27, 9:12 and 10:10 are about His death for sins.

ephapax
Thayer Definition:
1) once, at once
1a) all at once
1b) once for all

iow, He died ONE TIME for ALL SINS.

Rom 6:10 - For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.

Heb 7:27 - 7who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.

Heb 9:12 - and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

Heb 10:10 - By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

I hope these verses will put to rest your errant view of "past sins".

Jesus Christ died once for all sins. Your view misunderstands Rom 3:25."

And all of this was ignored.

And there is another verse that refutes your view:

Col 2;13,14 - 13When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.

These verses refute your view that Christ died only for the so-called "past sins".