FreeGrace2 said:
Of course no human being is 100% faithful. We all have sin natures, as Paul taught. The fact that Scriptures confirm that God is faithful speaks to the issue of eternal security. He has PROMISED to keep us. But apparently your view doesn't allow for believing His promise. I have no idea what your point is. Being worried about erring doesn't contradict anything. And Paul NEVER worred about falling away. What verse did that come from? And falling away isn't about losing salvation, but our faithfulness. Again and again, your view seems to be that we are saved by our own faithfulness. Which isn't biblical. Nothing here about loss of salvation. The word for "castaway" is adokimos and means "not approved". Why would one think being approved or disapproved has anything to do with salvation? It's about spiritual growth to maturity, being Christ-like. All believers will either be approved at the Bema or disapproved. Which is about being rewarded or not. 2 Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. This isn't about a warning about loss of salvation, but being recompensed for one's deeds. If they are good, one will be rewarded, and if one's deeds are bad, one will lose out on significant blessings and reward.
Greek word adokimos: The KJV translates Strongs G96 in the following manner:reprobate (6x), castaway (1x), rejected (1x).m
The word is used in conjunction with loss of something in rejection he is rejected or because he is rejecting it / reprobate / or cast away.
It's Not used as not approved according to the lexicon / blue letter bible / Greek translation. Jesus uses the same word as well: cast away Rejected /adokimos is used here as
Hebrew 6:8 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned
Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin
Greek word used Zemioo cast away
The KJV translates Strongs G2210 in the following manner:lose (2x), suffer loss (2x), be cast away (1x), receive
Not that cast away is like the word to prove anything. The Greek def for the many words for cast away is all the same means.
Paul's verse was in fact loss of inheritance " salvation " because Paul was dealing with brethren falling away from the faith /church.- So it is in context he was worried their differences mite effect him! Like in this verse he is speaking about having freedom as a Christian
And how that alone can ERR us away unless we keep are selfs in check.
In regards to assuming salvation is already yours It's clear to me salvation being near and or here when rapture comes is what I see as contrary
We have to not take advantage of the hours cause the master could come at any time: These verses and parables are clear about staying alert and sober.
Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. This is a parable of uncertainty Not just when it's coming but also who is going: No one has that guarantee to me .
Matt 13:35-37 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all,
Salvation is being spoken of as a future tense,
word to look for in Verse bellow 1peter 1:4-16
(unto salvation )( only reveled in the end) ( Might be found unto praise ) ( should come unto you) (be sober and hope to the end)
1peter 1:4-16 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation. Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy!
Speaks of obedience for ALL MEN to go to heaven
Hebrews 5:8-9 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him sin must be repented of /feel bad for sinning and then stop .
Repentance is sorrow feel bad in this verse bellow>
You've disagreed In the past on that !
2 Corinthians 7:9-10 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death
Remission is in exchange for repentance in Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost
Book of life and death is
Spoken of Acts 3:19-26
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities
Colossians 1:14-15,28 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ.
Ten virgins were all holy and the same
Matt 25:1-12 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
I want more from you so i can weigh this out better as balanced understanding as i see all these versus as contradictions now and not understandings
