Refuting OSAS in jesus name

[FreeGrace2]

Mark 1:4
The repent I used in Hebrew

Hilarious! Mark was written in Koine Greek! Not Hebrew. Let's stick with what the original says.

Classically, Teshuvah is comprised of three ingredients: regret of misdeed, decision to change, and verbal expression of one’s sins. Technically, whenever one sins, one is mandated to do Teshuvah. However, the Ten Days of Teshuvah between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur are specifically designated for Teshuvah, when the gates of prayer and repentance are more open than at any other time during the cyclical Jewish year.

lol. The OT was NOT written in Hebrew. Not any part. Please stick with what the original says, not some Hebrew translation.

 

[FreeGrace2]

It was originally in Hebrew then translated to Greek
So I'm using the Hebrew def

What source supports this claim? John Mark didn't write anything in Hebrew.

I didn't realize you were talking about the Greek translation lol
I get your translation now but truly its like a willing turn from sin your hart changes your actions. In a nut shell anyways

I'm not using a Greek "translation". lol I am using the ORIGINAL language.

 

[FreeGrace2]

All sins, past, present and future were paid for at the cross for everyone who will ever be saved. Jesus Christ is not going to come down to earth again and die for your future sins. The only way God can forgive any sin, past, present or future, is if that sin has been atoned for by the shedding of blood, in this case Christ's blood. Read Hebrews 10:12,

but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God,

Please stop this self-righteous and work-based salvation attitude.

 

[FreeGrace2]

My view is when you sin then it won't be forgiven unless you have a retentive hart and turn from your sin .

What does Acts 10:43 SAY about forgiveness of sin?

You say you can sin and not have no accountability for sin because it's covered.

No one has said that. We always remain accountable for our behavior. But not to "hold onto" salvation.

The bible says sin no more

Is your view "sinless perfection" this side of eternity?

I see sin for what it is filth and pain so I don't choose to sin!

Is this a claim that you no longer sin??

I have unintentional sin like when I stub my toe but my faith is growing and maybe one day when I stub my toe I'll say amen lol

Wow, is this confused!! There is no sin to stub your toe. Why do you think there is?

 

[lori milne]

What does Acts 10:43 SAY about forgiveness of sin? No one has said that. We always remain accountable for our behavior. But not to "hold onto" salvation. Is your view "sinless perfection" this side of eternity? Is this a claim that you no longer sin?? Wow, is this confused!! There is no sin to stub your toe. Why do you think there is?

When your anger takes you into your flesh
Some ones hateful to you or you stub your toe
Unintentional sin

 

[lori milne]

What does Acts 10:43 SAY about forgiveness of sin? No one has said that. We always remain accountable for our behavior. But not to "hold onto" salvation. Is your view "sinless perfection" this side of eternity? Is this a claim that you no longer sin?? Wow, is this confused!! There is no sin to stub your toe. Why do you think there is?

Act 10:43 good one brother
Sins are forgiven with faith because!
To believe is to have faith which produced righteousness -and that produces good works
Like repenting or not sinning willingly


He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness
Romans‬ [bless and do not curse]4‬:[bless and do not curse]20-22‬ KJV

 

[FreeGrace2]

When your anger takes you into your flesh
Some ones hateful to you or you stub your toe
Unintentional sin

Nope! That's just shifting the "blame" on someone else when you react in anger to anything.

The truth is that no one can make you angry. Only you can allow others to make you angry.

So, WHEN your response is anger from someone or something, it WAS intentional, because you allowed yourself to react that way.

No one is forcing anyone to be angry. Was Jesus angry on the cross? Absolutely not!! In fact, He asked His Father to forgive His crucifixioners!!

 

[lori milne]

What does Acts 10:43 SAY about forgiveness of sin? No one has said that. We always remain accountable for our behavior. But not to "hold onto" salvation. Is your view "sinless perfection" this side of eternity? Is this a claim that you no longer sin?? Wow, is this confused!! There is no sin to stub your toe. Why do you think there is?

You say you can sin and not have no accountability for sin because it's covered.
No one has said that. We always remain accountable for our behavior. But not to "hold onto" salvation.

Your answer makes no sense aren't you OSAS
Then nothing You do even sin will take your salvation away!
That's no accountably
I believe you can't sin freely and be covered you must hold fast

 

[lori milne]

What does Acts 10:43 SAY about forgiveness of sin? No one has said that. We always remain accountable for our behavior. But not to "hold onto" salvation. Is your view "sinless perfection" this side of eternity? Is this a claim that you no longer sin?? Wow, is this confused!! There is no sin to stub your toe. Why do you think there is?

The bible says sin no more
Is your view "sinless perfection" this side of eternity?

Again i don't understand what your saying ?

Jesus says SIN NO MORE
every thing jesus speaks about is clear and directv

 

[lori milne]

What does Acts 10:43 SAY about forgiveness of sin? No one has said that. We always remain accountable for our behavior. But not to "hold onto" salvation. Is your view "sinless perfection" this side of eternity? Is this a claim that you no longer sin?? Wow, is this confused!! There is no sin to stub your toe. Why do you think there is?

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I see sin for what it is filth and pain so I don't choose to sin!
Is this a claim that you no longer sin??

If Colgate toothpaste use the profits to distribute and make child pornography would you continue purchasing Colgate toothpaste?
That's how I look at sin'!

Abused children batters or beaten women homes
Murders.
All sin is related to the worst of it so if you lie or steal it's "to me " like contributing to the worst of it !!
Hope that made sense lol

 

[lori milne]

Jesus said it's the dower of the law not the hearers of the law.

OSAS
Free will
Calvin
Predestination

What is salvation is the key to understanding what all this is!

What's correct.
Are we saved ? What is saved? Can we err ! Are we really saved to begin with ?
Did jesus say sin no more and really mean that'? Can we live sin free? Is not sinning works ?
What's works ?

Gal 3:10

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them
Galatians‬ [bless and do not curse]3‬:[bless and do not curse]10‬ KJV

We have to believe everything GOD has said!
So why aren't we confirming what God has said to answer all these question.

John 8:31-36
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed

Why does the bible seem to have contradictions ?

 

[EmSw]

Notice what is being done here. Shifting the discussion from what was originally said, which I pointed out was a nonsensical question, and now trying to make it appear that I am saying or doing something I am not doing.

This is a nonsensical answer to the question.

Choosing to sin is an act of the will. Sinning is an act of the will. Yet one here apparently thinks that it is not, and there has not been offered any proof or corroborating evidence. As I said, it is a nonsensical question.

Sure, it's an act of the will. But I asked WHY the saved and unsaved alike, willingly choose to sin.

Another ridiculous question. Of course a person freely chooses to sin, they are not being forced to do so, and if they sin it is disobedience. Are you trying to say that the rest of us do not believe this? if so, that is dead wrong.

Nope!

All we can do is watch for fruits that go with Salvation. Ultimately that determination rests with God, and He does not call us to try and determine it ourselves. At best, we are fruit inspectors. it's not your job, or my job, to make that determination.

Are you speaking of being a doer of the word and not a hearer only?

Quite frankly, that is none of your business. Why do you attempt to impugn the servant of Another? As I said, it's not your call to make. and your subtle hint is that you don't believe that anyone here (but yourself) is doing so.

Why can't I observe the fruit of another; you just said we are 'fruit inspectors'. If a man does not lay aside all filthiness and wickedness, should I trust what he says?

James says for man to lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your soul (James 1:21).

He said this to the brethren (v. 19). Can the brethren save their souls by laying aside all filthiness and wickedness and receiving the implanted word with meekness? Did James give the way of salvation with these words?

You are not the Judge, you are not in any authority over anyone here. You not only have no business trying to make that judgment, you have no right to ask that question. You should be ashamed of yourself, for sinning against others here in such a fashion.

Remember, you said I should be a 'fruit inspector' and that is not judging, but observing. How am I to inspect fruit if I don't ask questions?

It seems that your main mission here is to stir up things, and try to preach your works-based salvation, something for which you will find no traction here, because it is wholly unbiblical.

At least it is not a dead faith I am following. Do you remember James' famous words - faith without works is ____? I guess some can try to use a dead faith, if that is their objective, to save themselves. If it's a dead faith, then I can assure you, it's not from God.

So, how do you say it's unbiblical? Is the book of James unbiblical?

 

[nobdysfool]

This is a nonsensical answer to the question.

No, it's not. Your original question made no sense. I pointed that out, and then the shifting began. I pointed that out as well.

Sure, it's an act of the will. But I asked WHY the saved and unsaved alike, willingly choose to sin.

No, that is not what you asked. You said:

Does one strive against the Spirit so he may choose to sin?

Different question.

Nope!

Nope, what?

Are you speaking of being a doer of the word and not a hearer only?

No, what I am saying is that while we may observe the fruits (or lack of fruit) of another, we cannot make the final determination as to whether that person is saved. obviously you think you can. That is arrogant.

Why can't I observe the fruit of another; you just said we are 'fruit inspectors'. If a man does not lay aside all filthiness and wickedness, should I trust what he says?

How can you know for sure that he has laid aside ALL filthiness and wickedness? Can you divine the thoughts and intents of the heart?

James says for man to lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your soul (James 1:21).

He said this to the brethren (v. 19). Can the brethren save their souls by laying aside all filthiness and wickedness and receiving the implanted word with meekness? Did James give the way of salvation with these words?

Only if you believe you can save yourself, in which case you have no need of Christ. Read it carefully, what is able to save their souls? The IMPLANTED WORD. Who implants it? God, not you.

Remember, you said I should be a 'fruit inspector' and that is not judging, but observing. How am I to inspect fruit if I don't ask questions?

Do not think to sit in judgment of me or anyone else here. That is the clear implication of what you just said. I did not say you should be a fruit inspector, I said at best we could be fruit inspectors. That doesn't mean that we all will, or that it should be our primary avocation.

At least it is not a dead faith I am following. Do you remember James' famous words - faith without works is ____? I guess some can try to use a dead faith, if that is their objective, to save themselves. If it's a dead faith, then I can assure you, it's not from God.

You sure love to make insinuations. The implications and insinuations you have made are clear. They are also sinful and wrong. I don't think you understand the point of the Book of James.

So, how do you say it's unbiblical? Is the book of James unbiblical?

If you want to try to save yourself, knock yourself out. Just don't preach that pack of falsehood here. All you speak of is what you do, how you try to ingratiate yourself to God by your supposed "obedience" to the letter of the Law, which was fulfilled in Christ. You don't have to fulfill the Law anymore, Christ did it. If you would but trust in Christ and cease from your dead works, you would have no problems.

One either trusts in oneself, or they trust in Christ for Salvation. It's pretty obvious who you're trusting in.

 

[FreeGrace2]

You say you can sin and not have no accountability for sin because it's covered.

This totally misunderstands what I have posted. Christ died on the cross for everyone. Meaning, He paid the sin PENALTY for everyone. But we are accountable for our sin.

I asked what 1 Jn 1:9 is for. Please provide an answer.

No one has said that. We always remain accountable for our behavior. But not to "hold onto" salvation.

Your answer makes no sense aren't you OSAS

Yes, I am. Why doesn't my answer make sense?

Then nothing You do even sin will take your salvation away!
That's no accountably

Please pay full attention when reading my posts. There is HUGE accountability. Heb 12:5 is for the believer and how God disciplines His disobedient children.

Ever been naughty and been spanked as a child? Was that fun? God "spanks" His children when they get out of line. That's accountability.

Also, eternal reward is promised for those believers who remain faithful and obedient.

I believe you can't sin freely and be covered you must hold fast

This sounds as though your view is that you keep yourself saved. Which I think is blasphemous.

Christ keeps us saved. Because of grace; that word that you're not so fond of.

 

[FreeGrace2]

The bible says sin no more
Is your view "sinless perfection" this side of eternity?

Again i don't understand what your saying ?

Jesus says SIN NO MORE
every thing jesus speaks about is clear and directv

Do you believe that believers can achieve sinless perfection in this life?

 

[FreeGrace2]

I see sin for what it is filth and pain so I don't choose to sin!

Every time any believer sins, is because they CHOSE to.

If Colgate toothpaste use the profits to distribute and make child pornography would you continue purchasing Colgate toothpaste?
That's how I look at sin'!

I have no idea what your point is here.

Abused children batters or beaten women homes
Murders.
All sin is related to the worst of it so if you lie or steal it's "to me " like contributing to the worst of it !!
Hope that made sense lol

Nope, it did not. Seemed to be more of a rant than rational discussion.

You've cited the obviously more offensive sins (to man). But ALL sin is offensive to God. How about jealousy of others, hatred of others, gossip, maligning others, lying (even the little white ones), etc.

How about being self centered (when it's all about "me")?

All these are sins, and just as offensive to God as the ones you cited.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Why does the bible seem to have contradictions ?

Please explain what seems to be contradictions in the Bible. I have no idea what you have in mind here.

 

[EmSw]

I believe Jesus was speaking of rewards. Just as Rom 8:17b and 2 Tim 2:12 indicate. Furthermore, in Matt 19, the issue is about obedience and service. And the gift of eternal life comes through believing, as Jn 6:40 and a host of other verses plainly say.

Let's look what Peter and Paul say about an inheritance, to which eternal life belongs.

1 Peter 1:4 -
to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you

Colossians 3:24 -
knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance; for you serve the Lord Christ.

Peter says our inheritance (eternal life, kingdom of God) is reserved or kept in heaven for us. And Paul says we WILL (future) receive the reward of the inheritance (eternal life, kingdom of God).

Also notice Paul says we WILL receive the 'REWARD' of the inheritance. If the inheritance is a reward, then we know a reward is 'dues paid for work'.

We also know the young ruler asked Jesus what he must DO to inherit eternal life. Jesus did not correct him, but told him if he wanted to enter life, keep the commandments. 'Inherit' and 'enter' are the same thing.

We find this also in the parable of the sheep and goats.

Matthew 25 -
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.
33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Notice this - the sheep will inherit the kingdom at the time Jesus comes in His glory and sits on His throne. All inheritances are future, which include the inheritance of eternal life. All we must do is read the last verse of chapter 25.

46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

It is at this time also, that the sheep will receive the inheritance of eternal life.

 

[lori milne]

Every time any believer sins, is because they CHOSE to. I have no idea what your point is here. Nope, it did not. Seemed to be more of a rant than rational discussion. You've cited the obviously more offensive sins (to man). But ALL sin is offensive to God. How about jealousy of others, hatred of others, gossip, maligning others, lying (even the little white ones), etc. How about being self centered (when it's all about "me")? All these are sins, and just as offensive to God as the ones you cited.

God imputed his righteousness on us After having the Faith to turn from sin on your own to CHOOSE to not sin and that's the search for righteousness and you Will be blessed
But you must turn first!
Then God gives you the strength to do the impossible " to not sin"
The bible is very clear in this from the first book to the last!

Isaiah 59-15-21
Tells us the same faith to turn from your sin
To righteousness imputed as protection from sin

Jesus speaks of not thirsting
And we will not want
Paul says we will be imputed Gods righteousness in Us
which is the same as his ,
It says their is no difference

Mathew 25:46 says that Only the righteous will inherit the kingdom of heaven.

The bible speaks of this Faith in Gods miracles and righteousness to turn from sin!
From gen all the way to rev it's the same
No way does it ever change in meaning ever.
Peter a man walked on water
Paul with out seeing believed
And at the end of his life said he held fast to the end and ran a good race and fought the good fight! Held the faith to stay righteous! On the OT God teaches faith and repentance/ stop sinning Same as the NT Jesus teaches faith and repentance/stop sinning! Very vela message from beginning to the end the same over and over and over again Faith = Gods righteousness imputed on you = Grace= salvation / eternal life That's the combo from the beginning to the end

Here's proof again in the NT Romans 4:20-25

This passage is the ability to Not Choose Sin

All of the sins you've mentioned are sins but a good tree doesn't bare bad fruit
This is a man who has faith
Jesus say faith that can heal himself and be freed from sin that faith is into righteousness And not are own BUT GODS

Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference Romans 3:22

Now their is unintentional sin that will pop in your head to try and lead you to choose to sin or willingly sin !
This goes away in growth Paul speaks of it but did Paul live in justified sin No!
He did not!
Grace does not abound sin

 

[FreeGrace2]

Let's look what Peter and Paul say about an inheritance, to which eternal life belongs.

1 Peter 1:4 -
to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you

There's the key right there. "reserved IN heaven for you". This isn't about salvation, or getting into heaven. It's about what is IN heaven for us. It is reward that is in heaven, waiting for us.

Colossians 3:24 -
knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance; for you serve the Lord Christ.

A very clear statement about eternal reward. The word "reward" simply CANNOT be applied or related to salvation in any way.

Peter says our inheritance (eternal life, kingdom of God) is reserved or kept in heaven for us.

No, he did not say that.

And Paul says we WILL (future) receive the reward of the inheritance (eternal life, kingdom of God).

Yes, we will receive our reward, if we remain obedient.

Also notice Paul says we WILL receive the 'REWARD' of the inheritance. If the inheritance is a reward, then we know a reward is 'dues paid for work'.[/quote]
And we (at least I do) know that salvation is NOT BY WORKS, which Paul stressed in Rom 4:4,5 and Eph 2:8,9.

We are paid for obedience and faithfulness, not for believing in Christ for salvation.

We also know the young ruler asked Jesus what he must DO to inherit eternal life. Jesus did not correct him, but told him if he wanted to enter life, keep the commandments. 'Inherit' and 'enter' are the same thing.

This is hardly a tome on how to get saved. btw, Jesus was right; if anyone COULD "keep the commandments" they would enter life. But the Law proved that NO ONE can "keep the commandments". Which is why Christ had to die for the sins of the world. Paul explains what the Law was for in Gal 3. It was a tutor to lead us to Christ - Gal 3:24.

We find this also in the parable of the sheep and goats.

Matthew 25 -
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.
33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Though not specified, it should be obvious to anyone that Jesus was equating sheep with BELIEVERS and goats with UNBELIEVERS. No one goes to heaven because of their works.

But the Pharisees thought they were.

Notice this - the sheep will inherit the kingdom at the time Jesus comes in His glory and sits on His throne. All inheritances are future, which include the inheritance of eternal life. All we must do is read the last verse of chapter 25.

46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

How is one made righteous? Through faith in Christ. Paul explained all that in Rom 3 and 4.