Refuting OSAS in jesus name

[Zanting]

Balanced word from Paul on folks who were misinterpreting the word and confusing everyone
And his position on brethren who sin!
Btw for those of you who need the worst translation here's John MacArthurs version
Then NASB Just to be fair!


This persuasion did not come from Him who calls you. A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough. I have confidence in you in the Lord that you will adopt no other view; but the one who is disturbing you will bear his judgment, whoever he is.

I wish that those who are troubling you would even mutilate themselves.

But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God
Galatians‬ [bless and do not curse]5‬:[bless and do not curse]8-10, 12, 16-21‬ NASB

Balanced diet of the word means to take account of the entire word of God
Like " who shall ever believe in him"
And" the elect"
Two very obvious directions correct
Well if we look elect only is stated 8 times in the entire bible!
Ware God loves the world is only in the word 6 times?
So keep reading search it out on your own Not what's said Man
And if you need maybes timeline Bible can help.
look to Bible scholars for just basic timeline info!

If we can go through collages and learn trig and micro organism them in sure we can see clearly what God is saying to us INDIVIDUALLY because it's a personal relationship!
You have to build your own Faith not believe someone's understandings or better Word theology!

So very true.

 

[Zanting]

This is just a sample from many different churches/denominations. I heed the warning…Do you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5qRNnnBJvk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNohKsq6jcg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz1bF3TXB1Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXLfCjUr6yM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SHXRSQfc3c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b01lwJs3e8c

If you don’t because you believe you are OSAS, the doctrine of John Calvin, a man, and others of the reformation movement, that is your choice, but it is not the teaching of Jesus.

I will continue to seek the truth of Jesus in scripture. Not the doctrine of men. And over the years I have learned there are a lot of false teachings in the church, especially today. The more I have studied the Bible, the more I have recognized the false teachings I once believed. But scripture just doesn't contradict itself, and that is why false teachings come to light. These false teachings are all revealed in scripture.

For myself, I will always ask Jesus for forgiveness, for sin in my life. I am not perfect and will always need His forgiveness when I stumble. I cherish my salvation and certainly do not want to fall from His grace.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Our Savoir indeed takes nothing back, and those gifts are always there for the taking. But Christians can give back salvation's gifts through apostasy.

Why are there no verses that say anything about giving back?

Wow, me huh...well I am among millions of other Christians who believe as I do.

Is this supposed to be significant or something? Millions more don't believe anything in the Bible. The "millions" that you are among simply don't understand the guarantee of eternal security in Scripture.

What you have said makes no sense.

Eternal security makes no sense??? lol Sure it does. But some just don't like the sound of it.

You completely separate apostasy from salvation. That directly contradicts scripture.

Can this "claim" be supported from clear verses that say as much?

Like I said. I agree to disagree.

One is free to do as one pleases. Makes no difference. The Bible teaches OSAS all over the place. As shown.

Jesus' words in John 10:28,29
Paul's words in Rom 6:23 with Rom 11:29
Paul's words in Eph 1:13, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22 and 2 Cor 5:5

Apparently some people are not interested in either Jesus' words or Paul's words.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Zanting,

Posting every pastor's sermon who doesn't believe in OSAS doesn't do any good.

Why not? Because the "insecurity" crowd cannot refute the clear statements of Scripture:

Jesus' words in John 10:28,29
Paul's words in Rom 6:23 with Rom 11:29
Paul's words in Eph 1:13, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22 and 2 Cor 5:5

These are very clear: salvation cannot lost, given back, returned, revoked, voided, or any other word one wants to make up.

 

[lori milne]

This is just a sample from many different churches/denominations. I heed the warning…Do you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5qRNnnBJvk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNohKsq6jcg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz1bF3TXB1Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXLfCjUr6yM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SHXRSQfc3c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b01lwJs3e8c If you don’t because you believe you are OSAS, the doctrine of John Calvin, a man, and others of the reformation movement, that is your choice, but it is not the teaching of Jesus. I will continue to seek the truth of Jesus in scripture. Not the doctrine of men. And over the years I have learned there are a lot of false teachings in the church, especially today. The more I have studied the Bible, the more I have recognized the false teachings I once believed. But scripture just doesn't contradict itself, and that is why false teachings come to light. These false teachings are all revealed in scripture. For myself, I will always ask Jesus for forgiveness, for sin in my life. I am not perfect and will always need His forgiveness when I stumble. I cherish my salvation and certainly do not want to fall from His grace.

Amen agreed
It takes away the roots of the bible and majors contradictions all of the Word.
If you take out accountability of ones sins then ware is righteousness through Faith which gives Gods favor.
I mean didn't He favor Able over Cain for just being lack in Cains devotion/offering to him.

Sin will always be a choice!
As soon as a theology starts blending good and evil into one thing and not seeing it clearly for the choice or is will only make a man Week in the Faith!
Then we are going against the direct teachings of the entire Word of God.

 

[lori milne]

This is just a sample from many different churches/denominations. I heed the warning…Do you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5qRNnnBJvk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNohKsq6jcg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz1bF3TXB1Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXLfCjUr6yM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SHXRSQfc3c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b01lwJs3e8c If you don’t because you believe you are OSAS, the doctrine of John Calvin, a man, and others of the reformation movement, that is your choice, but it is not the teaching of Jesus. I will continue to seek the truth of Jesus in scripture. Not the doctrine of men. And over the years I have learned there are a lot of false teachings in the church, especially today. The more I have studied the Bible, the more I have recognized the false teachings I once believed. But scripture just doesn't contradict itself, and that is why false teachings come to light. These false teachings are all revealed in scripture. For myself, I will always ask Jesus for forgiveness, for sin in my life. I am not perfect and will always need His forgiveness when I stumble. I cherish my salvation and certainly do not want to fall from His grace.

I like an
Apostle by the name of Dorian Ballard He's pretty simple and straight forward when it comes to the word !
I am truly a bible based Christian and absolute can't stand commentary sand theology based Christians who are being fed topical bible teachings and no learning just confusion and basically brain washing

 

[Zanting]

I like an
Apostle by the name of Dorian Ballard He's pretty simple and straight forward when it comes to the word !
I am truly a bible based Christian and absolute can't stand commentary sand theology based Christians who are being fed topical bible teachings and no learning just confusion and basically brain washing

Amen to that.

Deception has always been in the world, but now it is deeply embedded in all aspects of life on earth. In politics, economics, science, commercialism, religion, Christianity, everywhere. I am so thankful that the Lord has opened my eyes to all that Satan is doing to wage his spiritual war against Gods people in the world.

I pray for those still blind to the truth, and I hold steadfast to Philippians 2:12 ...Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For indeed, as Matthew 24:13 says...But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Throughout the week, I often listen to different speakers, and I look forward to hearing him. I'll start with this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXSpPE0EcVs

 

[lori milne]

This one we'll keep you on the edge of your seat yelling AMEN!! great teachings


http://youtu.be/M4hb_Y9mGXo

Also a professor names Walter veith
Has really done a lot of actual archeology / research in ware is satin
Freemason apostasy etc
He uses absolutely factual and real doctrine true manuscripts he himself goes out and searches personally vs searching on line he reminds me of Indiana jones in how he obtains a lot of what he teaches lol

http://youtu.be/WJupxv9EiOY

 

[Zanting]

This one we'll keep you on the edge of your seat yelling AMEN!! great teachings


http://youtu.be/M4hb_Y9mGXo

Also a professor names Walter veith
Has really done a lot of actual archeology / research in ware is satin
Freemason apostasy etc
He uses absolutely factual and real doctrine true manuscripts he himself goes out and searches personally vs searching on line he reminds me of Indiana jones in how he obtains a lot of what he teaches lol

http://youtu.be/WJupxv9EiOY

Thanks, I'll check those links out.

 

[lori milne]

Amen to that. Deception has always been in the world, but now it is deeply embedded in all aspects of life on earth. In politics, economics, science, commercialism, religion, Christianity, everywhere. I am so thankful that the Lord has opened my eyes to all that Satan is doing to wage his spiritual war against Gods people in the world. I pray for those still blind to the truth, and I hold steadfast to Philippians 2:12 ...Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For indeed, as Matthew 24:13 says...But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Throughout the week, I often listen to different speakers, and I look forward to hearing him. I'll start with this one... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXSpPE0EcVs

I my self love to search for good teachings on these subjects I also look forward to watching the videos youve posted!

 

[lori milne]

I like an Apostle by the name of Dorian Ballard He's pretty simple and straight forward when it comes to the word ! I am truly a bible based Christian and absolute can't stand commentary sand theology based Christians who are being fed topical bible teachings and no learning just confusion and basically brain washing

Great videos btw

Amen
It's crazy how simple the bible speaks to us
It's Sunday school teachings being misinterpreted completely
The bible speak of people like this who read the word but keep in sinning and don't have the fear of God on them.
I'm dealing with this now in my personal life directly not me but a loved one and it's like their is no good in him as much as he supposedly try's he won't let go of his sinning!
Mind you has been brought up with this OSAS believe imbedded in him!!

Jesus speaks of the fruit we produce
And it's not just your children or people you save but your direct actions as a man
Lie bad choices laziness all are the fruit!!
Amen!
If good fruit is kindness patience love joy
Bad fruit is the opposite!

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirt
Galatians‬ [bless and do not curse]5‬:[bless and do not curse]16-22, 24-25‬ KJV

 

[Zanting]

The videos I posted was just a quick search for free grace 2 to see that it is actually a teaching from the Gospel by many and among different denominations. With that said, I have listened to almost all of them. And many more as well.

 

[lori milne]

The videos I posted was just a quick search for free grace 2 to see that it is actually a teaching from the Gospel by many and among different denominations. With that said, I have listened to almost all of them. And many more as well.

Yes this is definitely being taught but definitely not at all noticed and extreme controversial for some reason

 

[Zanting]

Great videos btw

Amen
It's crazy how simple the bible speaks to us
It's Sunday school teachings being misinterpreted completely
The bible speak of people like this who read the word but keep in sinning and don't have the fear of God on them.
I'm dealing with this now in my personal life directly not me but a loved one and it's like their is no good in him as much as he supposedly try's he won't let go of his sinning!
Mind you has been brought up with this OSAS believe imbedded in him!!

Jesus speaks of the fruit we produce
And it's not just your children or people you save but your direct actions as a man
Lie bad choices laziness all are the fruit!!
Amen!
If good fruit is kindness patience love joy
Bad fruit is the opposite!

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirt
Galatians‬ [bless and do not curse]5‬:[bless and do not curse]16-22, 24-25‬ KJV

I have always found that the people who are closest to me, and blind to the truth in scripture are the hardest to speak to. People do place their faith in long held man made doctrines. Deception entered the church right from the beginning. My fall back is to pray that Jesus will lead someone to them to speak to them, and let them see my walk with Him. Often actions speak louder then words.

 

[Brother Chris]

I have always found that the people who are closest to me, and blind to the truth in scripture are the hardest to speak to. People do place their faith in long held man made doctrines. Deception entered the church right from the beginning. My fall back is to pray that Jesus will lead someone to them to speak to them, and let them see my walk with Him. Often actions speak louder then words.

Ok, humor me. How does one lose salvation? What does he have to do or not do? How many times?

 

[lori milne]

I have always found that the people who are closest to me, and blind to the truth in scripture are the hardest to speak to. People do place their faith in long held man made doctrines. Deception entered the church right from the beginning. My fall back is to pray that Jesus will lead someone to them to speak to them, and let them see my walk with Him. Often actions speak louder then words.

Christians today feel grace saves them even in sin and these versus in the bible speak of that same thing happening even before the NT is written!
men attempting to change grace into lasciviousness

Have you ever hear of Simon magus, Nicolas of Samaria assumed founders of counterfeit Christianity


Jude 3-4
Acts 8:9-24
Rev 2 nicholatians in Samaria
Gal 5 speaks of this as well
This was researched by many different sources
But
According to the findings of Walter veith Simon magus was a pegan priest and attempted to defile the Christians by teaching false Christianity.

Pretty cool to know your not just basing this off of a conspiracy and it's in the word of God

 

[Hismessenger]

Unfortunately the religious mind is caught in the flesh and doesn't see the hand writing on the hearts of Gods people.
Here is a scripture for you to peruse and if you understand what it is saying you will know that OSAS is in fact true.

Deu 32:8 When the Most High divided their inheritance to the nations,
When He separated the sons of Adam,
He set the boundaries of the peoples
According to the number of the children of Israel

I hope this shed some light for those who have come to understanding.

hismessenger

 

[lori milne]

Unfortunately the religious mind is caught in the flesh and doesn't see the hand writing on the hearts of Gods people. Here is a scripture for you to peruse and if you understand what it is saying you will know that OSAS is in fact true. I hope this shed some light for those who have come to understanding. hismessenger

We always must weigh out then entire word of God
And according having true Faith in the Word that produces righteousness.
That gives you the ability to produce good fruit .

Then it's firsts Faith we all need to search for and With Fire.
If your producing bad fruit like lying, stealing coveting fornicating then you down have true Faith or your being mislead by this world on your faith.

I even am on this search for true Faith because for me & my walk I desire righteousness through Faith for my family my son my self
And I want to make sure my moral compass is correct about going to hell and losing my faith

 

[FreeGrace2]

It's crazy how simple the bible speaks to us

Not crazy at all. Just very clear and direct.

Eternal life is a gift of God. Rom 6:23

God's gifts are irrevocable. Rom 11:29

 

[FreeGrace2]

The videos I posted was just a quick search for free grace 2 to see that it is actually a teaching from the Gospel by many and among different denominations. With that said, I have listened to almost all of them. And many more as well.

I don't learn God's Word from videos. I go directly to the Source itself.

Eternal life is a gift of God. Rom 6:23

God's gifts are irrevocable. Rom 11:29

It doesn't get any more clear than that.