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You keep spinning in circles. You deny that God's grace has appeared to all men, that Christ is drawing all men to himself, and that all have been made alive in Christ.
Now the ball is in our court.
Your dogma could lead many to Hell through creating a feeling of presumption and entitlement in some and a feeling of hopelessness and despair in others. It is not of God.
You keep spinning in circles. You deny that God's grace has appeared to all men, that Christ is drawing all men to himself, and that all have been made alive in Christ.
Now the ball is in our court.
Your dogma could lead many to Hell through creating a feeling of presumption and entitlement in some and a feeling of hopelessness and despair in others. It is not of God.
Judas was a Jew. He was not a Christian. He had fallen from the security of the Abrahamic Covenant. He did not proclaim Jesus as the promised Jewish Messiah. In fact, he rejected Jesus as such, which was blasphemy. He died (or killed himself) prior to the advent of the Cross, leaving him with no hope. Salvation by Grace through Faith was not available to him.
I think that the key word that he was getting across was 'favoritism" as in unconditional election showing favoritism to those who are 'elect' so to speak, I hate that word, "elect". Sounds so arrogant.Brother, it says God does not show favoritism but accepts from every nation,
When you see all, that is what it means, Jews and Gentiles alike/Every nation.
Huh?Who says Judas rejected Yeshua as messiah? Judas was a zealot looking for the messiah to free Israel from Rome. He just tried to force the issue to put Yeshua in direct conflict with Rome. He didn't realize that the 1st occurrence of the messiah had to die.
Who says Judas rejected Yeshua as messiah? Judas was a zealot looking for the messiah to free Israel from Rome. He just tried to force the issue to put Yeshua in direct conflict with Rome. He didn't realize that the 1st occurrence of the messiah had to die.
I think that the key word that he was getting across was 'favoritism" as in unconditional election showing favoritism to those who are 'elect' so to speak, I hate that word, "elect". Sounds so arrogant.
You keep spinning in circles. You deny that God's grace has appeared to all men, that Christ is drawing all men to himself, and that all have been made alive in Christ.
Now the ball is in our court.
Your dogma could lead many to Hell through creating a feeling of presumption and entitlement in some and a feeling of hopelessness and despair in others. It is not of God.
if God's grace appeared to every man, then everyone would be given faith to believe.
Although I have a different viewpoint about salvation than you do, that doesn't change my mindset even with God's sovereignty in election. I am so grateful not arrogant, because I did not save myself, the Lord did.
Just curious what dogma you have that assures your salvation? Is it dogma or scripture?You have no idea whether you are one of the elect or not, according to your dogma. What's more, there's nothing you can do about it. That's quite a God you have created!
Do you think your household is saved in what you endure?Scripture does not assure salvation. We must endure to be saved.
Hmn Just curious ... thanks for indulgingNo. Each of us must stand before the judgment seat of God.
Just curious what dogma you have that assures your salvation? Is it dogma or scripture?
Not true. In fact, many who at one time believe later all away. We are free creatures made in the image of God. After the fall we have knowledge of good and evil so we cannot be held blameless.
God's grace, which has appeared to all men, enables us to follow his will. It does not force us to follow.
For there shall arise false christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, IF it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:24
Sorry you hate the word, but its in the bible
In light of scripture I am be very grateful that I was saved, he chose to have mercy on me when I did not deserve it by any means!
Although I have a different viewpoint about salvation than you do, that doesn't change my mindset even with God's sovereignty in election. I am so grateful not arrogant, because I did not save myself, the Lord did.
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