Redefining God's Word

[OllieFranz]

agreed.... however when the oppionions are as divided as they are today it's very hard to see clearly who's telling the truth! And don't say "just read God's word" because people have and we always come to disagreements on what that word from God is actully saying. So yes I agree...... but finding the truth is alot harder than it seems. We actully have to "work" to find the truth. A totally new concept for our drive-through culture.




awwww.... and here's a perfect example! Homosexauty is clearly one of God's least concerns! For one Jesus never even enters the subject! Not once.... Paul enters the subject but he also lists "disrespecting your parents" among others as being just as bad! If you gonna chasten people for homosexaulity than you gotta bring the entire law into focas. If you bring the entire law into focas it won't be long before YOU feel condemned. It's alot easier to just show "sinners" some grace. It's clear that scripture teaches that if we insist on living by the law than we will be judged by that law.... all of it. And trust me my freind. this isn't something you want happen. If you preach the law and condemn others do you honestly expect God to NOT condemn you?? It's really only fair isn't it....

Good post. And welcome to you.

Seconded

 

[UberLutheran]

All of your posts are cynical so of course you know I'm gonna say it. And I didn't come to you looking to be a source of credibility.

Look much higher.

I do look higher, Zaac. That's why I keep confronting you.

If God tells me to keep confronting you, who am I to tell Him, "No!" -- and we all know what happened to Jonah when God told Jonah to do something and Jonah said, "No"!

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

I don't trust man.

 

[tulc]

I don't trust man.

...and women are looking a little suspicious also.
tulc(thank goodness my coffee never failed me!)

 

[Apollo Celestio]

You could call your offense "The blind leading the blind"

 

[RMDY]

No it wouldnt be Gods word when God dosent really mention it whatsoever. Just like in the way homosexuality isnt really mentioned in the Bible, just certain sinful acts that can be homosexual in nature just as they can be hetrosexual.

Actually, I believe pornia includes a variety of definitions for sin, including homosexuality.

 

[DesignerNate]

I pretty much agree with what your saying. I don't think its easy to understand everything God intends for passages in the Bible, so one read through isn't going to immediately convince anyone. Also I believe The bible was God-inspired and written by man. However I continue to support the legitimacy the Bible continues to provide even if it was written by men. The reason people reject it? Well its not easy... and at first It probably doesn't make much sense. Which then comes the researching. I support researching only when its done with the proper intentions in mind. If your heart is to honestly discover the truth and you truly want to know what God has to say no matter what it may be, then I believe research can be a valuable key. However if in your researching your only goal is to find proof to support a life that would fit your standards, that i would simply begin to question where my heart is at, is it for understanding God deeper, or is to try and make my life the way i want it?

 

[artybloke]

Actually, I believe pornia includes a variety of definitions for sin, including homosexuality.

Believe it all you like, it don't make it true.

 

[dayhiker]

I know its popular to seek sexual acts that can be associated with the work porneia and list them as sins we aren't to commit.

Personally I believe the main thing Paul is getting at by using the word porneia is sexual activity associated with idol worship. Its like as I read the OT and the condemnation of the high places. Now as a hiker I go to a lot of high places several times a year. But I don't go there to worship idols. So to me its not the high places persay that are condemned, but the idol worship that takes place there. Same with porneia, its not the sexual activities that are primary condemned by Paul but the idol worship that is associated with the sexual activity.

This is also seen in the eating of meat sacrificed to idols. Many Christians couldn't bring themselves to eat that meal. But some Christians went into the temple ordered their mean and sat in eat that meat in the temple with no condemnation. Paul didn't make a blank statement that this person shouldn't do that. 1 Cor.8:10

I remember hearing how some conmended Christian rock music saying it had the same beat as music in Africa that was used in pagan worship. That beat caused some problems because of that. Others understood they weren't worhipping idols even if some used the beat for worship of idols. So we were comfortable worshipping God with that beat in our music.

These things are all paralells to me.
dayhiker

 

[UberLutheran]

"Redefining" God's Word? Or taking the time to find out what it's really saying (in the historical, cultural, political, religious and linguistic context of the time in which it was written)?

But far be it for me to try to change some people's cherished prejudices and bigotries by pointing out the Bible really doesn't say something it "obviously" says.

 

[UberLutheran]

You have never answered my question about what "sin" you imagine that I have been committing. I have asked you over and over, and you have never answered the question. Now, after you have accused me of "sin" again, you still won't answer. You've made another hit and run accusation.

Having grown up with fundagelicals, I can tell you that you will never get a straight answer from them. It will not happen.

If you corner them, they will simply stop responding, rather than admit they don't know what they're talking about.

 

[D.W.Washburn]

I've come late to this discussion, but...

"For in those days Israel had no king, so everyone did whatever he wanted to-- whatever seemed right in his own eyes." Judges 17:6

And it got so much better after they got a king.

"The way of a fool seems right to him, but a wise man listens to advice." Proverbs 12:15

And three fingers point back at you.

It's the nature of humans to reject God's truth and establish our own truth because we don't want to be accountable to God. We want to be our own God and follow the compass of our feelings.

It is human nature to sin, whether that is putting the self in the place of God to justify our own deeds, or putting ourselves in the place of God to condemn the deeds of others.

Then according to our wisdom and not God's, "We can justify our every deed, but God looks at our motives." Proverbs 21:2

Yes, God has that unique perspective that is not available to humans. Why do you condemn homosexual acts without looking at the motivation behind them?

So why is it that when it comes to homosexuality and the committing of fornicative homosexual acts, so many "purported" Christians continue to either reject God's Word as his Word or they continue to research a word or concept until they can find something that they feel justifies this sin?

Why is it, when it comes to homosexuality, that some "purported" Christians who ignore other parts of Holy Writ so vehemently apply the few verses of the Bible that marginally apply?

My position is that homosexual acts, within a committed, covenanted, exculsive relationship (a gay marriage) are not fornicative.

My position, further, is that Jesus Christ is God's (capital double-you) Word. The Bible is the word of God inasmuch as it reveals Jesus. So I in no way reject God's Word. I just don't buy the idea that every word of the Bible is inerrant, inspired and eternally binding.

 

[D.W.Washburn]

What do I care that the truth is rude? If I tell you what God says about your sin and you think it's rude, big deal.

1 Corinthians 13:1-3
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.




Etiquette is the practice of love in small things.



Edit: I see that tulc already referenced this passage, way back on page 3 or so. I guess that's what happens when I post without read ALL of the previous posts. Oh, well, Paul's words to the Corinthians certainly apply here, and it is probably worth saying twice. Man, I need a cup of tulc's coffee...

 

[Brieuse]

Because they are unwilling to give it up.(Whether it be easy or not..) Simple as that. Would God's word be God's word if certain sins were allowed?

Rubbish

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Rubbish

How? Maybe you can answer the question in that post?
Btw, I don't think just having the attraction is sinful, it's when you get in bed when the wrong is done..

 

[Brieuse]

How? Maybe you can answer the question in that post?
Btw, I don't think just having the attraction is sinful, it's when you get in bed when the wrong is done..

Rubbish

It seems like most Christians take a book that has been twisted by people for over 3000 years. They then proceed to read adhoc, without understanding of context of the times the scriptures were written in. They then proceed to compose "easier to understand" versions for those that are most certainly unwilling to understand the real context. Who is redefining the Word?

Homosexual acts in a loving committed monogamous relationship are beautiful, a gift from God, and most certainly not sinful.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Homosexual acts in a loving committed monogamous relationship are beautiful, a gift from God, and most certainly not sinful.

If I may ask, what leads you to this conclusion?

 

[Brieuse]

If I may ask, what leads you to this conclusion?

Lots of prayer

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Lots of prayer

okay, i was hoping for some scriptural reference.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Rubbish

It seems like most Christians take a book that has been twisted by people for over 3000 years. They then proceed to read adhoc, without understanding of context of the times the scriptures were written in. They then proceed to compose "easier to understand" versions for those that are most certainly unwilling to understand the real context. Who is redefining the Word?

Homosexual acts in a loving committed monogamous relationship are beautiful, a gift from God, and most certainly not sinful.

What, spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ is a bad thing? People did this so others could know Jesus in their own language. I think THAT is beautiful. You just sound like you're defending your sin. Denouncing the word is a common tactic.