Redefining God's Word

[HaloHope]

There are ways of debating the subject of homosexuality without being rude, so I'm told.

Dont you know, we arent actually debating on this thread! Zaac is just telling everyone hes right and there wrong.

 

[tulc]

You really need to stop with the "polite digs" while ascribing things to people they didn't say

First, I don't do "polite digs" if you got that impression I apologise, I try and be polite, it's hard enough being understood on line when you just post, but add the whole "subtle insult" factor in and I'm compleatly at a loss. In the future, if it seems like an insult it was never my intention.

The Bible is not a tool to support your beliefs. It gives you the character of Jesus Christ and His righteousness, thereby illustrating the standard of right and wrong.

That's not there to support anybody's belief.

Perhaps I misunderstood but when you said:

So why is it that when it comes to homosexuality and the committing of fornicative homosexual acts, so many "purported" Christians continue to either reject God's Word as his Word or they continue to research a word or concept until they can find something that they feel justifies this sin?

doesn't the highlighted portion imply people are doing more research and studying to see if there's more to a scripture then just face value? That's why I said:

Ahhh! So when you discover something in the Bible that supports your belief it's alright, but if someone digs a little deeper into the Scriptures and studies the language and cultural context they're wrong?

See what I mean?
tulc(again I'm sorry if it seemed like I was getting a dig in , that was never my intention)

 

[Ohioprof]

Yall are funny. You weren't slandered. But if you present your wrong as right, how are your actions any different than satan jstifying his wrong as right?



I didn't assume that.



And I will say again, I didn't say you were having sex.



You're righteously judged on your acts.

So what "acts" were you talking about? Having coffee with people of the same sex?

 

[Ohioprof]

Zaac,

You have compared me with Satan, and you have accused me of engaging in sinful "acts" with people of the same sex. What "acts" are you talking about that I supposedly engage in that are sinful with people of the same sex?

 

[Zaac]

Ah, so you clearly intend to accuse me of "acts" with someone of the same sex, and you intend to compare me with Satan. All this despite what I have told you: that I do not have sex. I am single.

And as tulc was told, I'm perfectly capable of saying what I intend to say. If I intended to say you were fornicating, that's what I would have said.

And I swear, as a professor, you seem to really have a problem reading what is written. The comparison was against satan thinking he wasn't doing wrong.

 

[tulc]

What do I care that the truth is rude? If I tell you what God says about your sin and you think it's rude, big deal.

1 Corinthians 13
1If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. 4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

seems a good time to bring this up,
tulc(going driving see you guys in little while)

 

[Ohioprof]

And as tulc was told, I'm perfectly capable of saying what I intend to say. If I intended to say you were fornicating, that's what I would have said.

And I swear, as a professor, you seem to really have a problem reading what is written. The comparison was against satan thinking he wasn't doing wrong.

I read what you wrote. Here are your words:

"We've already discussed your immoral, sinful acts that result as your actions with those of the same sex."

So I am asking you what you mean by my "immoral, sinfult acts that result as your actions with those of the same sex."

What "immoral, sinful acts" are you talking about? What "actions with those of the same sex" of mine are you talking about?

 

[Zaac]

First, I don't do "polite digs" if you got that impression I apologise, I try and be polite, it's hard enough being understood on line when you just post, but add the whole "subtle insult" factor in and I'm compleatly at a loss. In the future, if it seems like an insult it was never my intention.

Sounds like something Uber said once. But my apologies also

Perhaps I misunderstood but when you said:
doesn't the highlighted portion imply people are doing more research and studying to see if there's more to a scripture then just face value? That's why I said:
See what I mean?
tulc(again I'm sorry if it seemed like I was getting a dig in , that was never my intention)

My point with the part that you highlighted is that when it comes to this particular issue, people aren't doing that. People are presenting canned researched responses that you can get from any pro-gay site that attempts to answer the question "what does the Bible really say about homosexuality."

And like the folks who first devised the responses, folks are approaching God's Word as a tool to, as you said, support their belief INSTEAD of using God's Word to see what He SAYS.

It's a built in bias that will always manipulate the Word to say what people want it to say.

And this is why I have said again and again, dealing with what the text ACTUALLY says, there is not a soul that can show that the commiting of same-sex acts is EVER right either by what the text SAYS or does not need to say because it says something else that covers the issue.

 

[Ohioprof]

Zaac,

I am waiting for your answer. What "acts" or "actions" were you accusing me of?

 

[Zaac]

seems a good time to bring this up,
tulc(going driving see you guys in little while)

Excellent time to bring it up. I've been telling folks what God's Word says for years and folks have been getting upset and offended for years because of the "approach."

Without fail, it is ALWAYS revealed that the offense is from being cut by the double-edge sword that is the truth---GOD'S WORD---and not the delivery.

If I quote Scripture and people get offended or think it's rude, that's a good thing. That means they have heard the truth. They may not receive it because of the condition of their hearts, but all Christians are tasked to do is deliver it. God changes the heart.

If I didn't love, I wouldn't give truth in the face of lies.

 

[Ohioprof]

You are assuming that the Bible is what God said. Not everyone believes that, Zaac. And your interpretation of the Bible is what you say, certainly not what God says.

You accuse others of bias, but you are no less biased. You are reading the Bible through the lens of your assumptions and pre-conceptions no less than the people you decry.

 

[Zaac]

I read what you wrote. Here are your words:

"We've already discussed your immoral, sinful acts that result as your actions with those of the same sex."

So I am asking you what you mean by my "immoral, sinfult acts that result as your actions with those of the same sex."

What "immoral, sinful acts" are you talking about? What "actions with those of the same sex" of mine are you talking about?

There's a whole line of threads beneath this one that you can go and look in if you want that answer. Because we have definitely discussed it already.

 

[Ohioprof]

Or maybe you offend people because what you say really is offensive. Have you thought of that possibility, Zaac?

If everyone is telling you that you are being offensive, maybe the problem is not with them.

 

[Ohioprof]

You can't wiggle out of this one like that, Zaac.

Why don't you simply admit that you assumed I was engaging in acts of what you call "sin," and it turned out that you were wrong? You could graciously apologize for what you wrote, and we could move on. That would be the honest thing for you to do, Zaac. Admit you made an assumption about me, and the assumption was wrong. Because it was, and everyone reading the thread knows it.

 

[Zaac]

You are assuming that the Bible is what God said. Not everyone believes that, Zaac. And your interpretation of the Bible is what you say, certainly not what God says.

If I'm quoting Scripture, I haven't given you an interpretation.

You accuse others of bias, but you are no less biased. You are reading the Bible through the lens of your assumptions and pre-conceptions no less than the people you decry.

Yep my bias is that God is God and His Word is His Word and I lack any power or interpretive ability to change it.

And as someone who rejects God's Word as His Word, ain't too much if anything that you say to anyone grounded in Christ that should be received.

 

[Zaac]

Or maybe you offend people because what you say really is offensive. Have you thought of that possibility, Zaac?

Yep. When I'm quoting Scripture, it really shows that God's Word is true when it says in Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

If everyone is telling you that you are being offensive, maybe the problem is not with them.

And if everyone is getting offended at the same quoting of Scripture, then the discerning spirit knows who the problem is with.

You can't wiggle out of this one like that, Zaac.

I'm a big boy. I don't wiggle. I have no problem admitting wrong when wrong. But your acts have been previously discussed.

Why don't you simply admit that you assumed I was engaging in acts of what you call "sin," and it turned out that you were wrong?

Why would I admit that when I have outright asked you and others in the past if you were particpating in said acts and the answer has been no?

You could graciously apologize for what you wrote, and we could move on. That would be the honest thing for you to do, Zaac. Admit you made an assumption about me, and the assumption was wrong. Because it was, and everyone reading the thread knows it.

Graciously apologize for what? Something that you think I was implying that wouldn't be the case because what you think I was saying had already been discussed weeks ago?

You must have too much academic stuff in your head that you're starting to forget conversations that have been had.

 

[Ohioprof]

Yep. When I'm quoting Scripture, it really shows that God's Word is true when it says in Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.




And if everyone is getting offended at the same quoting of Scripture, then the discerning spirit knows who the problem is with.



I'm a big boy. I don't wiggle. I have no problem admitting wrong when wrong. But your acts have been previously discussed.



Why would I admit that when I have outright asked you and others in the past if you were particpating in said acts and the answer has been no?



Graciously apologize for what? Something that you think I was implying that wouldn't be the case because what you think I was saying had already been discussed weeks ago?

You must have too much academic stuff in your head that you're starting to forget conversations that have been had.

I haven't forgotten our previous conversations, Zaac. You've accused me of "sin" before, and then you have refused to say what "sin" you have accused me of. You have done this several times.

This hit and run strategy of yours....accuse someone of a "sin" and then run and hide.....is getting old. I am tired of being accused of "sin" and then having you pretend you didn't say what you said.

Please stop accusing me of "sin" if you are not willing to tell me what "sin" you are accusing me of. If you want to claim that I commit immoral, sinful acts with someone of the same sex, then please tell me what those acts are, or don't accuse me in the first place.

Okay?

 

[Ohioprof]

I was going to post something else, but I changed my mind.

 

[UberLutheran]

What do I care that the truth is rude? If I tell you what God says about your sin and you think it's rude, big deal.

I wonder if that might have anything to do with the fact that your "witness" simply is not working here; and if anything, is turning people OFF to the Gospel?

I'm glad I already believe: it's my experience that practitioners of "sanctified slander" and "nasty-nice" and "I'm only telling you 'God's truth' inlove" can be real faith-killers.

I already know you're going to say this post is cynical. Seems like any post which challenges you directly is either "cynical" or "trying to justify an immoral lifestyle" and frankly, I just don't give you much credibility anymore.

 

[Ohioprof]

I wonder if that might have anything to do with the fact that your "witness" simply is not working here; and if anything, is turning people OFF to the Gospel?

I'm glad I already believe: it's my experience that practitioners of "sanctified slander" and "nasty-nice" and "I'm only telling you 'God's truth' inlove" can be real faith-killers.

I already know you're going to say this post is cynical. Seems like any post which challenges you directly is either "cynical" or "trying to justify an immoral lifestyle" and frankly, I just don't give you much credibility anymore.

Welcome back. Glad to see your butt's back in the game!