Red Foxes Talking Circle

[Red Fox]

Providing there is no contract protecting the employee and they live in an at-will state, you can be fired for anything you say that doesn't relate directly to a protected class. For example, it would be illegal to fire you if you told me that you were a Native American but I could fire you if you told me that I was responsible for the treatment of your people.

I think I understand what you're saying.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

If you would like to talk about an issue that interests you or concerns you, please feel free to talk about that issue OR if you have a news story you would like to share and talk about, please feel free to share that story here within our Circle. You are welcome to share your thoughts and opinions within this Circle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9iFMey-dFU

 

[Red Fox]

By the time of his death he had published 4 books and had become a leader at the forefront of the progressive movement aimed at preserving Native American heritage and sovereignty, coming to be known as a strong voice in the education of the white man as to the Native American way of life. Here, then, are 10 quotes from the great Sioux Indian Chief known as Standing Bear that will be sure to disturb much of what you think you know about “modern” culture.

10 Quotes From a Oglala Lakota Chief That Will Make You Question Everything About Our Society

 

[Red Fox]

"My father told me that Hopi earth does contain my roots and I am, indeed, from that land. Because my roots are there, I will find them." -- Wendy Rose, HOPI/MIWOK

Everything that comes from the earth will return to the earth. We should be able to realize the connectedness to the earth. We should be able to feel toward Her just like She is our real Mother. We can easily feel this connectedness if we can answer these three questions: why am I?, who am I?, and where am I going? If we cannot answer these questions, then perhaps we need to talk to the Elders. Go to the Elders and ask, "Grandfather, why am I?; Grandmother, who am I?; Oh Great One, where am I supposed to go?" The Elders will help us with these three questions.

Grandfather, help me to stay centered today.

Elder's Meditation by White Bison

 

[Red Fox]

Being a Native feminist today often means resisting the dominant culture’s influence. Traditional women may know their value within their community and family, but when those same women go outside the tribe for work, professional support or services, they have to deal with a patriarchal society.

ICTMN has gathered the thoughts of six powerful women for whom tradition and feminism come naturally. All share their thoughts, for better and worse, about feminism in Indian country.

8 Reasons Why Feminism Matters in Indian Country

 

[Red Fox]

Canada’s First Nations: A Legacy of Institutional Racism
By Claire Hutchings

Sadly, our history with respect to the treatment of Aboriginal people is not something in which we can take pride. Attitudes of racial and cultural superiority led to a suppression of Aboriginal culture and values. As a country, we are burdened by past actions that resulted in weakening the identity of Aboriginal peoples, suppressing their languages and cultures, and outlawing spiritual practices. We must recognize the impact of these actions on the once self-sustaining nations that were disaggregated, disrupted, limited or even destroyed by the dispossession of traditional territory, by the relocation of Aboriginal people, and by some provisions of the Indian Act. We must acknowledge that the result of these actions was the erosion of the political, economic and social systems of Aboriginal people and nations.

Read the rest of the article here: Canada’s First Nations: A Legacy of Institutional Racism

 

[Red Fox]

Gxg (G²),

That video was awesome. Thank you for posting it.

 

[Red Fox]

 

[MehGuy]

8 Reasons Why Feminism Matters in Indian Country

Native American culture is more traditionally egalitarian?

That's cool.

 

[Red Fox]

 

[Red Fox]

Native American culture is more traditionally egalitarian?

That's cool.

Yes. And welcome to my Talking Circle, my friend! I'm very glad you came.

 

[Red Fox]

O'siyo my friends.

 

[Red Fox]

Until recently, preserving the languages of our ancestors has traditionally been an extremely daunting task. While missionaries and scholars have written books about the native languages they encountered and audio recordings of elders speaking have existed for decades, these resources can be difficult to acquire and use to actually teach a language. Some people have successfully achieved fluency by becoming an apprentice to an elder in their community, by taking classes or enrolling in an immersion school. For many Natives who live great distances away from their communities, these options were nearly impossible.

How Technology Is Helping Modern Language Revitalization Efforts

I've been teaching myself to speak Cherokee through books and various online resources for some time now. I can read it and write it quite well, but speaking it properly is an entirely different matter. And that is because I don't have another Cherokee who speaks the language to talk to on a regular basis. So, I have decided to take an online class on the language offered by the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma at the end of this month. I not only want to learn to speak the language more fluently, but I also want to know how to teach it better to my own children. I'm a member of two separate groups on Facebook which teaches the Cherokee and the Choctaw languages. These groups have been somewhat helpful to me, but I need more than that to speak the languages more fluently.

 

[Red Fox]

 

[smaneck]

Are you seriously arguing that scientific evidence should be disregarded if it doesn't come from a Native American?

I just came across this interesting article regarding Native American DNA:

"Great Surprise"?Native Americans Have West Eurasian Origins

I find these National Geographic Genome studies fascinating. If one is going to argue that they are concoctions, then they need to come up with some pretty strong evidence for a contrary theory or at least evidence that these are concoctions.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

"Great Surprise"?Native Americans Have West Eurasian Origins

I find these National Geographic Genome studies fascinating. If one is going to argue that they are concoctions, then they need to come up with some pretty strong evidence for a contrary theory or at least evidence that these are concoctions.

Good article

 

[Red Fox]

I know you disagree with me, smaneck, but yes, that is how I feel. I do not trust any kind of non-native sources or their science, no matter how credible non-natives claim they are, to tell me where my ancestors came from or what the origins of my people are. So, just to be clear, I completely reject the Bering Strait theory. I'm not going to argue about this, because my mind will not change. I have researched this on my own and I know the stories of my people. However, I talk about why I really feel this way in the other thread when the issue was brought up. You can click here to read what I had to say.

I recommend the book Red Earth, White Lies by Vine Deloria Jr.

Here are some articles I'm offering from an NDN perspective.

The B.S. (Bering Strait) Myth

How Linguists Are Pulling Apart the Bering Strait Theory

More Reasons to Doubt the Bering Strait Migration Theory

Harvard Professor Confirms Bering Strait Theory Is Not Fact

DNA Politics: Anzick Child Casts Doubt on Bering Strait Theory

New Discovery Confirms Native American Views on Their Ancestry

Bering Strait Theory, Pt. 1: How Dogma Trumped Science

Bering Strait Theory, Pt. 2: Racism, Eugenics and When Natives Came to America

Bering Strait Theory, Pt. 3: The Theory Becomes a Religious Crusade

Bering Strait Theory, Pt. 4: The Indisputable Facts in the Artifacts

Bering Strait Theory, Pt. 5: The Theory Comes Crashing Down

Bering Strait Theory, Pt. 6: DNA, Blood Types and Stereotypes

 

[Gxg (G²)]

"Great Surprise"?Native Americans Have West Eurasian Origins

I find these National Geographic Genome studies fascinating. If one is going to argue that they are concoctions, then they need to come up with some pretty strong evidence for a contrary theory or at least evidence that these are concoctions.

Some of the ways that migration has occurred for Native American groups can be very interesting when seeing how extensive it can be. In example, ever heard of the Olmecs? They lived within the area of Mexico..the first 'major' civilization in Mexico f


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The Ancient Olmec Civilization the People of the Forest and builders of colossal - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU82oGdU7fY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IGHkr9nZSs

The Olmecs have been mainly accepted as responsible for advanced civilization in the Americas....and the Mother Culture of all other Indigenious cultures in the Americas. Olmec heads, called "Negroid Statues" in the 1920's when they were found, have continued to baffle many since they have features that simply do not reflect the culture of the Indigineous peoples in the Americas...and resemble the features of those in Africa more so. One of the greatest anthropologists of all time has sought to do much work on the issue...and his name is Ivan Van Sertima. One excellent book on the issue that really blessed me was under the name of "They Came Before Columbus"

For more info, one can go online and look up his video presentation on "Google Video", under the name of "]"They came before Columbus - Dr Ivan Van Sertima..or they can go here to African Presence in Early America.

Ivan Van Sertima is a Guyanese historian, linguist and anthropologist ....and his work, "They Came Before Columbus", is a compelling and superbly detailed documentation of the presence and legacy of Africans in ancient America. Examining navigation and shipbuilding; cultural analogies between Native Americans and Africans; the transportation of plants, animals, and textiles between the continents; and the diaries, journals, and oral accounts of the explorers themselves, Ivan Van Sertima builds a pyramid of evidence to support his claim of an African presence in the New World centuries before Columbus. It was especially interesting to see the dynamics of the Moors, as it concerns some of the trade routes over the Atlantic they developed and how many have discussed that the rise of Eurocentric thought dominated much of history only after the age of Moorish domination in Spain for 400yrs prior.....alongside influence that happened in many differing European countries. Ivan in his book went into great detail telling of the sea routes Africans or Malian Moors were able to use to sail over here prior to Columbus, supporting the theory by the engravings found in the Cockaponset forest by John Gallager (Archeologist & Professor from Fordham University) and correlating it with the inscription found on the Haj Mimoun Rock in East Morocco and deciphered by Barry Fell, which records Moors (Blacks) being here a thousand years before Columbus

A lot of that is not surprising seeing that the descriptions Columbus gave of others present amongst those he saw in the Caribbean were people of African appearance...and other scholars have noted the same. William Katz of the book "Black Indians" did a lot of work on noting those realities, as seen here, here , and here).

Going back to the Olmec issue, the "Negroid" Statues that others have still been unable to understand, many have often pondered how was it that people seemingly from African could come all the way to the Americas.

For myself. I am open to the fact that they did indeed travel extensively. ....seeing how other cultures managed to come over on ships to the New World. If the culture spawning the Olmecs was simply far more advanced that all others at the time---just as China at one point was highly advanced and had the technology to travel across continents far before the Maritime Exploration of the Europeans---then its possible that ships were used to travel.

Again, its just a theory..and for more solid review on the history of the Olmecs, one can go online/investigate the following under their respective titles:

• Mystery Solved: Olmecs and Transoceanic Contact | Ancient Aliens Debunked

• "Olmec Civilization - Crystalinks" ( )

• "The New York Times > Science > Mother Culture, or Only a Sister? ( )

• "Artifacts Comparison between ancient Mesoamerica and China" ( )

• "The Olmec: The original Black civilizations of Mexico and Mesoamerica" ( )

Claiming that the Negroid Statues in the Americas may be due to Transpacific influences is something that I have also been open to---and as it concerns other scholars saying that the statues came from Asian influence rather than African and Asians came before Columbus to the Americans (more discussed here, here, here, here, here , here, here and here), that's something I'm more than ready to accept.

 

[Aldebaran]

Are you seriously arguing that scientific evidence should be disregarded if it doesn't come from a Native American?

I just came across this interesting article regarding Native American DNA:

"Great Surprise"?Native Americans Have West Eurasian Origins

I find these National Geographic Genome studies fascinating. If one is going to argue that they are concoctions, then they need to come up with some pretty strong evidence for a contrary theory or at least evidence that these are concoctions.

I've heard they may have originally come from Egypt. I've heard of archeological findings of artifacts that are very similar to ones found in Egypt, and are around the same age. Not too far-fetched of an idea that some of them may have come to America and stayed here. I had a Native American friend once who I told this to when I first heard of it and she was very defensive, saying "No! We were here first!" But if humans originated in the middle east first, then they would have had to travel in order to establish civilizations elsewhere. Not hard to imagine some from Egypt or elsewhere in the middle east coming here long ago. Sailing ships existed even in biblical times.

 

[jacknife]

I've heard they may have originally come from Egypt. I've heard of archeological findings of artifacts that are very similar to ones found in Egypt, and are around the same age. Not too far-fetched of an idea that some of them may have come to America and stayed here. I had a Native American friend once who I told this to when I first heard of it and she was very defensive, saying "No! We were here first!" But if humans originated in the middle east first, then they would have had to travel in order to establish civilizations elsewhere. Not hard to imagine some from Egypt or elsewhere in the middle east coming here long ago. Sailing ships existed even in biblical times.

I believe the evidence points from humans originating from Africa, actually i think a thread on this topic already exists.