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Abiel

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There is a need for recovery for people who have been involved with the occult. I know of what I speak. I was a teenage fortune teller- and I was very good at it.

A fully moderated forum, somewhat like the one we have for SI would answer the purpose imo. I do not support the idea of Beth She'an in any way, shape or form.

I post this whilst admitting that I have only just woken up and am wading through this very thread, so I really don't know where the discussion has got to yet.

Lord have mercy
Christ have mercy
Lord have mercy

Deliver us Lord I pray.
 
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The problem is, Moriah wants to choose how she's supported, and no-one who has any demon (be it literal, or metaphorical) will willingly accept help that feels uncomfortable; it will always be easier and less painful to be with people who will allow you to stay unwell. That's said out of genuine concern for Moriah, and for anyone else that will join that forum. However, it is what it is.

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Ok, if you are going to get upset, then please get upset about actual truth as opposed to what ever else we want to call it]

This is not a sole support for moriah, and it doesnt matter how many times people say that, it is still not all about moriah
 
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Primarily, though, the forum NEEDS to have a minimum age of 18, or even 21.

I'm inclined to disagree. One does not magically become more mature upon becoming a legal adult. All that would be needed would be a disclaimer along the lines of "By participating in this forum, you agree to release Foru.ms from all liability, etc..."
Besides, we're not going to let hardly anyone under 18 in there. I believe I am the only member under 18 as of now, and my parents could care less what I do with my time, so long as I don't commit a felony - for that matter, I am entirely alone in my house, my parents have been about 75 miles away for a few days now working on their retirement home.
However, as a general rule, minors should be subject to GREAT scrutiny before even being considered for membership. I'd say don't allow any minors at all, except that wouldn't work very well for me, now would it. ;)
 
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Ok, if you are going to get upset, then please get upset about actual truth as opposed to what ever else we want to call it]

This is not a sole support for moriah, and it doesnt matter how many times people say that, it is still not all about moriah
I'm not upset, Frei, am trying to approach it completely logically. As far as Moriah is concerned, the forum is for her and about her. She feels people are concerned because we don't want to see her "BLEED EVERYWHERE", so for the sake of expedience, am using her perception of the forum.
 
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I'm inclined to disagree. One does not magically become more mature upon becoming a legal adult. All that would be needed would be a disclaimer along the lines of "By participating in this forum, you agree to release Foru.ms from all liability, etc..."
Besides, we're not going to let hardly anyone under 18 in there. I believe I am the only member under 18 as of now, and my parents could care less what I do with my time, so long as I don't commit a felony - for that matter, I am entirely alone in my house, my parents have been about 75 miles away for a few days now working on their retirement home.
However, as a general rule, minors should be subject to GREAT scrutiny before even being considered for membership. I'd say don't allow any minors at all, except that wouldn't work very well for me, now would it. ;)
Hi :) I appreciate what you're saying, but I don't think people who are too young to drink should be exposed to graphic descriptions of sex with demons. I also don't think someone who has issues like this should be choosing to share it with someone your age, but that's something I'll bring up with Moriah herself.

It's not a reflection on you, it's a reflection on the site being legally and spiritually responsible.
 
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don't think people who are too young to drink should be exposed to graphic descriptions of sex with demons. I also don't think someone who has issues like this should be choosing to share it with someone your age, but that's something I'll bring up with Moriah herself.

I was the one who came to Moriah first. Don't blame Moriah for it, because the blame would lie with me. And I can assure you, I'm not some little kid living in a bubble of innocence. I know the world is a dark place, and I try to be a beacon of light in it.
 
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I was the one who came to Moriah first. Don't blame Moriah for it, because the blame would lie with me. And I can assure you, I'm not some little kid living in a bubble of innocence. I know the world is a dark place, and I try to be a beacon of light in it.
Love, it's not about blame. There *is* no blame here. No-one is at fault. We're all just struggling along our own path.
 
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I'm not upset, Frei, am trying to approach it completely logically. As far as Moriah is concerned, the forum is for her and about her. She feels people are concerned because we don't want to see her "BLEED EVERYWHERE", so for the sake of expedience, am using her perception of the forum.
I'd like people to approach it truthfully..... there has been so much misinformation propagated about this forum. However rather than take the time to find out the actual truth, people have reacted to the misinformation and half truths

Oh yes, and being compared to a pedophile didnt really help anything either. As someone who was raped and sodimised on a regular basis till the age of 5, it kind ya know, just ripped to the heart.

Ya know what greenie, I'm done. People are welcome to believe what they want to believe, i seriously dont care any more.
 
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Love, it's not about blame. There *is* no blame here. No-one is at fault. We're all just struggling along our own path.

I know. :) Regardless, I would ask that I not be restricted from the forum. Regarding the PMs, I'm afraid I'd have to say that I would stay in contact with Moriah even if staff told me otherwise to the point of an e-ban, because I care for her. I'm sorry if that sounds like I don't respect your authority, but is the truth.
 
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I'd like people to approach it truthfully..... there has been so much misinformation propagated about this forum. However rather than take the time to find out the actual truth, people have reacted to the misinformation and half truths

Oh yes, and being compared to a pedophile didnt really help anything either. As someone who was raped and sodimised on a regular basis till the age of 5, it kind ya know, just ripped to the heart.

Ya know what greenie, I'm done. People are welcome to believe what they want to believe, i seriously dont care any more.
Huh?

I know. :) Regardless, I would ask that I not be restricted from the forum. Regarding the PMs, I'm afraid I'd have to say that I would stay in contact with Moriah even if staff told me otherwise to the point of an e-ban, because I care for her.
Which is wonderful. It's what Jesus commands us to do. And what happens off-site isn't within the site's remit to keep an eye on, but what happens within the confines of these virtual walls is very much the site's responsibility.
 
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Huh?

Which is wonderful. It's what Jesus commands us to do. And what happens off-site isn't within the site's remit to keep an eye on, but what happens within the confines of these virtual walls is very much the site's responsibility.
In at least two seperate threads
 
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I still think a disclaimer releasing Foru.ms from liability would be better, even though I am simply arguing for my own case. I truely think I could help there, and Moriah and Freitag agreed with me. Give me a chance. :) I promise I won't sue, and my parent's don't even know I am on this site. Or any other site, for that matter. What I do is my own business.
 
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I still think a disclaimer releasing Foru.ms from liability would be better, even though I am simply arguing for my own case. I truely think I could help there, and Moriah and Freitag agreed with me. Give me a chance. :) I promise we won't sue. :p
It's not my decision, dude :) You're clearly very much in Moriah's corner, which is really good, because she needs support. But the issue of allowing young people to be exposed to that is more wide-spread than just you (no offense :hug:).

The problem is, people who are desperate will cling to any hand that's offered to them, regardless of the age/strength/capability of the person who's reaching out. So the problem isn't you, or Moriah, it's the situation.
 
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It's not my decision, dude :) You're clearly very much in Moriah's corner, which is really good, because she needs support. But the issue of allowing young people to be exposed to that is more wide-spread than just you (no offense :hug:).

The problem is, people who are desperate will cling to any hand that's offered to them, regardless of the age/strength/capability of the person who's reaching out. So the problem isn't you, or Moriah, it's the situation.

I know it's a tricky situation for you guys both legally and morally, but I'd be pretty sad if I were somehow kicked out of the subforum. I realize it's not just about me, as well. :)
 
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If we are using Wiki rules isn't there a real danger of the forum being taken over and used for Satan's bidding? Making this secret will just make people that much more curious about it. Another thing. If this stuff is addressed openly others may be helped by it. To think discussing Satanism versus God openly gives Satanism an edge is silly unless you lack faith in the good guy upstairs.
 
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A New Dawn said:
Then the best answer is to change your environment. Just like anything else that needs recovery. Move. Get new friends. Find a loving person and ask what church they go to. Go see a psychiatrist. Any of the above. All of the above.

Anything but give them a place to foster the possession! (If it really is possession.)
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Some people whine and complain, and yes, they do in some sick sense enjoy where they are, and then there are others who cannot just pack up and move, make new friends, go to church, go see a psychiatrist. Why? Money is often an obstacle, an extremely limiting one. Moving takes an extreme amount of funds. Making new friends is something a lot of people cannot do...such as those with social anxiety, agoraphobia, maybe even those who are despised because of their depths of addictions, or their lack of 'fitting in' with styles and clothes, or their occult pasts. Find a loving person? That's a LOT harder said than done. It's also difficult to find loving people if you don't have ways of being integrated with society. Loving people don't grow on trees, and they are typically extremely hard to find. Go see a psychiatrist? Why, so they can prescribe medication to lack your involvement with satan? Also, psychiatrists take money, even at the county health departments, there's still fees involved.

It really doesn't matter if it's possession or not if a person says it is and says it feels like it, then the effects are still there.
I didn't say it was easy. But if one wants relief, then they have to be willing to do the hard things.
Willing? Willingness isn't always the only factor. Ways and means tend to be limiting for a lot of people.

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what you SHOULD do is shut the whole thing down. Erwin, you have UNQUALIFIED people trying to do this..pastoral doesn't seem interested. NEVER mind the fact, IF people want REAL help, they will go to someone in REAL Life. They NEEd that. WHAT if someone gets sucicidal? People can't jump through the screen and help them. GET real. This is just a huge problem waiting to happen.

Unqualified? So all the occult recoverers, all the people posting in depression and like forums about being suicidal, all the ones who self-injure, we should lock down their forums, because none of us are 'qualified' to befriend them. What does qualified entail? What's the deeper issues underneath? For many it's a lack of care and concern throughout their life, but God brings little blessings into their lives, which end up changing a lot of people, albeit through a computer screen, often that's the only acceptance these people are ever going to feel.

My first thought when I was suicidal was finding a person here...so I could get committed...or not. People are more willing, by nature, to discuss things and look for the help they need, if they don't have to be identified.

I did get real. I joined this forum to find people, and I have. It doesn't help everyone. Everyone is different, but if any of the recovery forums, inclusive to the one per the OP help a single person, it's well worth it.
 
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If we are using Wiki rules isn't there a real danger of the forum being taken over and used for Satan's bidding? Making this secret will just make people that much more curious about it. Another thing. If this stuff is addressed openly others may be helped by it. To think discussing Satanism versus God openly gives Satanism an edge is silly unless you lack faith in the good guy upstairs.

I'm sorry, but I disagree with your entire post. There is no danger of the forum being "taken over" It is required to be a Christian or to be open to Christ to join. A practicing Satanist was already rejected for access to the subforum. I could care less if people are curious about it, I don't want hateful people in there. Which leads me to why this is a closed forum - not because of God and Satan, but because the members are consistantly attacked on open forums.
 
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Which leads me to why this is a closed forum - not because of God and Satan, but because the members are consistantly attacked on open forums.
True. Its almost as if some want it open for that purpose!:(
 
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