Recovery from the occult forum - an explanation

[tkoman]

Hi CaDan - real can of worms here.

I hope that we err on the side of compassion here, but yes, lots of issues to knock out on this one.

 

[justanobserver]

I would prefer it be located in one of the recovery forums as in you can see the forum name only BUT it be set up private like Recovery reports. or Site Supporter threads are. see the name of the forum but cannot view it unless you got the authorization.

It's not there because of coding reasons - to add it as a subforum under one of the categories would mean more coding to hide the new threads' titles that show up on the homepage and other places - really much harder to code. I was trying to make life easier for myself.

no worries. I keep forgeting the horrors of coding, I am guilty of thinking that all you ned to do is to down for a couple minutes, do some quick litle key strokes on the key board and POOF! WALLA! code change!

as if it were that quick, simple and easy....

 

[tkoman]

I am out of here - this has all been very damaging to one member of this board - time to help. Sorry if I got snippy.

 

[J4Jesus]

Obviously that would be addressed on a case by case basis.



Read my first post - Recovery Team and Pastoral Team have access only. And they are all Christians.

Who chooses their Mods and what qualifies them to Mod there? Do they have to be a current believers in satanism? or former believer in satanism?

One thing I do not understand is when a person uses the Christian cross which says Christian but also after that it says something that is usually not considered of the Christian faith.

 

[Auntie]

Erwin, you have been deceived. People here are in love with Satan. They are NOT in love with Jesus. They have no desire to be "delivered". Their wiki rules make that very plain.

And even if they were, a website is no place to do that sort of thing. For the love of God, man, have some common sense. A website is no place to deal with the bondage of Satanism. Or anything dealing with the occult. This is beyond, way beyond, the purpose of a message board. This sort of thing MUST be dealt with in person, with a counselor, or a psychiatrist. You are delving into uncharted territory, and making yourself liable for those who WILL commit suicide because of your website.

You don't know what you are dealing with.

 

[justanobserver]

Read my first post - Recovery Team and Pastoral Team have access only. And they are all Christians.

not all are. I am not a professing christian. I am a seeker in christianity but I am not a christian at this time (am an old backslider tho from the UPC). When I can live the life as a christian as I beleive one should, then I will claim the title. until then, I wont insult the term christian by saying I am one. I do beleive in Him just so folks know.

 

[Sylvanspirits]

Erwin, you have been deceived. People here are in love with Satan. They are NOT in love with Jesus. They have no desire to be "delivered". Their wiki rules make that very plain.

Are these the same wiki rules I have been reading? The ones I have been reading say:
Christian ex-occultists from one or more bona fide occult traditions ("Client" member)
those presently under demonic influence, oppression or inhabitation, who have a history with one or more bona fideoccult traditions, who demonstrate openness to Christ or that they are actively seeking Christ, and therefore seek Christian input on, or solutions for, their situation ("Client" member)
Staff from Recovery and Ministry and Omega Team who feel able to cope with the subject matter. ("Staff" member)
Others deemed "friendly", supportive AND "safe" to the members whom this subforum is intended to serve and who profess and follow Christ ("Support Friend" member)

 

[icedtea]

Erwin is not stupid. He is doing with this board what he says God wants. I trust Erwin. And God.
Lets just pretend troubled people don't exist.

 

[Auntie]

not all are. I am not a professing christian. I am a seeker in christianity but I am not a christian at this time (am an old backslider tho from the UPC). When I can live the life as a christian as I beleive one should, then I will claim the title. until then, I wont insult the term christian by saying I am one. I do beleive in Him just so folks know.

And you are well loved, just so ya know.

 

[J4Jesus]

The very fact that a practicing Satanist was turned away by Moriah herself gives evidence that it truly is a recovery forum.

That fact alone swayed me to be more positive about the forum's existence.

Lisa

You say "a" satanist. But if you only knew how many Christians LEFT here because of things like this and harrassing and theatening us, it's staggering.

 

[justanobserver]

And you are well loved, just so ya know.

thnak you! I really do appreciate the sentiment.

 

[justanobserver]

Originally Posted by HisBellaMelody
what you SHOULD do is shut the whole thing down. Erwin, you have UNQUALIFIED people trying to do this..pastoral doesn't seem interested. NEVER mind the fact, IF people want REAL help, they will go to someone in REAL Life. They NEEd that. WHAT if someone gets sucicidal? People can't jump through the screen and help them. GET real. This is just a huge problem waiting to happen.[/quote]

Frankly, that applies to the whole Recovery and Mental Health section. Based on your argument, we should close that whole section.

But we do have some people who are qualified, either by qualification or by experience.

I for one thank you for having the Rcovery forum. Its been a huge blessing to me and to others. In fact, when I joined this site - Recovery was n CO section. I could only peek in and red. couldnt interact.

Now I can and do help others with my hard earned experience. II been sober 3 yrs as of last month if my experience can help just one person to avoid or survive what I went thru , seriously, it makes this all worth while to me.

Once again, thanks boss for opening it to all and keeping it open!

 

[D'Ann]

Foru.ms is not a church... it is impossible to completely and thoroughly help someone who is in bondage.

The people who souls are being torchered by Satan need a lot more help than anything or anyone can ever give them on any website.

I applaud your willingness to help and your compassion, but you are being deceived and naive if you think for one moment that this website or any website can really and truly help deliver a demon possessed person away from their sufferings. This can only be done through the laying on of hands and prayers in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ...

Talking on a website might help a person see some things going on inside of them, but it will not and cannot deliver them. They need a real life pastor or priest to lay hands on them with many others praying... rebuking Satan in the name of Jesus.

Fr. Rick, you should know this. And I believe you are opening up a door here that will do more damage then good to the very souls that you desire to help.

God's Peace,

Debbie

 

[tapero]

what you SHOULD do is shut the whole thing down. Erwin, you have UNQUALIFIED people trying to do this..pastoral doesn't seem interested. NEVER mind the fact, IF people want REAL help, they will go to someone in REAL Life. They NEEd that. WHAT if someone gets sucicidal? People can't jump through the screen and help them. GET real. This is just a huge problem waiting to happen.

Recovery is an amazing place and you may not be familiar with it.

Many suicidal people have been on CF and many thru the help of Recovery Team and sometimes others as well have saved lives. Not because they are professionals, but because they know how to help, and they care and the members know they care.

So, it's a common thing to deal with suicidal people. Many, many people are helped via recovery forums themselves as well as with staff. Members do an awesome job there too.

The members who use Recovery forums for help get great support as you know how it's said, one doesn't know till they've walked in their shoes expression?

Well, on Recovery many forums there have people who've been through whatever the topic is and can help because they've been there and really it's an awesome Team Recovery is.

On this particular topic, don't know much about it, just heard of it tonight.

But if Recovery team is helping, then whoever needs it will recieve good help.

I've been to professionals many years and never recieved any help that meant a hill of beans, but recieved more from the love, help and support and encouragement from those on recovery team and members there, then I ever recieved from any professionals.

So I agree with justanobserver in what he says about Recovery Team.

blessings,
tapero

 

[Tenebrae]

Can you link us to the public discussion of the forum formation before it was created. I don't think that most staff, and any of the members, were aware of such a discussion. So it couldn't have been very public.

The wiki was created The 20th of september, the discussion for that started formally on the 10th of september. before that occuring in PMs

Perhaps the reason why most of the staff werent aware of it, was because it doesnt concern most of the staff

 

[FoundInGrace]

Foru.ms is not a church... it is impossible to completely and thoroughly help someone who is in bondage.

The people who souls are being torchered by Satan need a lot more help than anything or anyone can ever give them on any website.

I applaud your willingness to help and your compassion, but you are being deceived and naive if you think for one moment that this website or any website can really and truly help deliver a demon possessed person away from their sufferings. This can only be done through the laying on of hands and prayers in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ...

Talking on a website might help a person see some things going on inside of them, but it will not and cannot deliver them. They need a real life pastor or priest to lay hands on them with many others praying... rebuking Satan in the name of Jesus.

Fr. Rick, you should know this. And I believe you are opening up a door here that will do more damage then good to the very souls that you desire to help.

God's Peace,

Debbie

I'm sorry but God is not limited to the laying on of hands and in person deliverance, God delivered me using a guy on the other end of email, God showed up in my house and used the teaching and incredible support that guy gave me to help me get the truth I needed to get free.

I would never have thought it possible

God's word does not return void.

It depends on the person but God will use what He will use, if those in need here can be given some real support then God can use that, maybe not necessarily for deliverance but for helping along the journey but then again who knows it may well be for deliverance.

There are concerns online absolutely and I do agree it is wise to be careful with all of it but God used online stuff to help me, if He hadn't I daren't think where I'd be now.

 

[Sylvanspirits]

D'Ann: The rules specifically state what is allowed.

In keeping with the sound counsels of the previous Deliverance Ministry, Deliverance Theology, and Spiritual Warfare fora, NO ATTEMPTS AT ONLINE "EXORCISM" ARE PERMITTED IN THE BETH SHE'AN SUBFORUM. This includes "confrontation" of (real or supposed) demonic manifestations or exorcist-style responses to posts and/or behavior deemed to constitute such.
ALL situations begging intervention of this confrontational nature require real-world, hands-on, 3-d presence of other people for the safety of the "client". Breaking this rule ONCE is grounds for permanent expulsion from Beth She'an.
GOOD pastoral ethics covering spiritual care apply in this folder.

 

[FoundInGrace]

D'Ann: The rules specifically state what is allowed.

despite what i've said in my last post it is really great that the rules state what you quoted, there is safety in that and i fully support those rules. (I was just saying what my experience had been because sometimes God works outside the square..)

 

[tapero]

Hi D'Ann,

Just wanted to say that a big part of Recovery Team is getting people to real live help. It is always the emphasis to almost all needing help.

So, that's covered.

Recovery tho can't make a person get real live help, but believe me it is one of the first things we are taught is help get them to real live help.

We believe a little differently, and I've seen believers struggle with satanic or occultic type stuff, and when they come to Christ, it's still there and they see the need to put that behind them.

They do this by their will and with God's help. No need for priests or pastors, but again, we just believe differently there. Christ is able. I know you know that, but that applies to satanic and occultic stuff as well.

We all grow differently; again I don't know much about this thread, but if any person desires to leave this lifestyle and comes to Christ, or is in Christ and in this lifestyle, then if they desire to leave it they will with Christ working in them.

Many come to Christ, and change is different in all of us, some faster, some slower, some not much, so all at different paces and it's when we see what we need to about ourselves, and then ask God's help in that area should we desire to change.

A believer can not be indwelled with demons. Scripture is clear:

And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.

The Holy Spirit God indwells all believers and never leaves, as shown by verse above, we are sealed, marked, the deposit Christ in us, says Holy Spirit here, in other scriptures Christ. Same thing.. God.

God and satan can not indwell a believer. Only God indwells believers.

A non christian can have demons in them (ugh, hate this topic) but a Christian can not.

If there is some sort of demonic stuff occuring (which would be externally); help from those who have been thru such may be able to help as well.

So, if this person can get to a support group in real life or connect with another who has had same issues, that is one way they can get help.

Just wanted to speak to above. Recovery team does encourage people very much so to real live help. It's fairly critical to recovery.

So, bless you D'Ann, we all believe differently about things, but wanted to share, and this is not specifically to you, but as to the readers due to the topic at hand.

love
tapero

 

[GreenMunchkin]

If people ned a refuge, they need a refuge. But a lingering issue is the lack of accountability. Am not even speaking about the removal of the language filter, or the freedom to denigrate and flame Christians into the middle of next week. But 3 of the site's pastors want little to do with it and, currently, are unable to post. The problem is, Moriah wants to choose how she's supported, and no-one who has any demon (be it literal, or metaphorical) will willingly accept help that feels uncomfortable; it will always be easier and less painful to be with people who will allow you to stay unwell. That's said out of genuine concern for Moriah, and for anyone else that will join that forum. However, it is what it is.

Primarily, though, the forum NEEDS to have a minimum age of 18, or even 21. If I was a parent, and I discovered my child was holed up in a secret forum that allowed graphic descriptions of sex with Satan, and with demons, I'd be heart-broken first, and I would seek legal advice so fast I'd be a blur to the naked eye.

This isn't a trifling issue, and it clearly wasn't thought out well, so now it needs to be.