I'm sorry but God is not limited to the laying on of hands and in person deliverance, God delivered me using a guy on the other end of email, God showed up in my house and used the teaching and incredible support that guy gave me to help me get the truth I needed to get free.
I would never have thought it possible
God's word does not return void.
It depends on the person but God will use what He will use, if those in need here can be given some real support then God can use that, maybe not necessarily for deliverance but for helping along the journey but then again who knows it may well be for deliverance.
There are concerns online absolutely and I do agree it is wise to be careful with all of it but God used online stuff to help me, if He hadn't I daren't think where I'd be now.
You are right, God is not limited in the human way that we are. That being said, it takes a lot more to be delivered than the initial deliverance itself. Which is what I'm thinking you are saying.
I still believe that it does take the laying on of hands by a pastor and/or priest and lay people who are strong in Christ... but then there is a need for real life support and real life prayer time with fellow believers. A spiritual cleansing of one's home and perhaps car as well. There is a lot involved in this sort of ministry. I'm grateful and thankful for your deliverance. Your testimony is beautiful and it gives me hope. Thank you for over coming your struggle via the grace of Christ. I know that it was not easy. HUGS
D'Ann: The rules specifically state what is allowed.
I know what those rules state... it is the other parts of the wiki that I am most concerned over.
Although, I'm grateful that the quoted rules by you are apart of the wiki. Thank you.
Hi D'Ann,
Just wanted to say that a big part of Recovery Team is getting people to real live help. It is always the emphasis to almost all needing help.
So, that's covered.
Recovery tho can't make a person get real live help, but believe me it is one of the first things we are taught is help get them to real live help.
We believe a little differently, and I've seen believers struggle with satanic or occultic type stuff, and when they come to Christ, it's still there and they see the need to put that behind them.
They do this by their will and with God's help. No need for priests or pastors, but again, we just believe differently there. Christ is able. I know you know that, but that applies to satanic and occultic stuff as well.
We all grow differently; again I don't know much about this thread, but if any person desires to leave this lifestyle and comes to Christ, or is in Christ and in this lifestyle, then if they desire to leave it they will with Christ working in them.
Many come to Christ, and change is different in all of us, some faster, some slower, some not much, so all at different paces and it's when we see what we need to about ourselves, and then ask God's help in that area should we desire to change.
A believer can not be indwelled with demons. Scripture is clear:
The Holy Spirit God indwells all believers and never leaves, as shown by verse above, we are sealed, marked, the deposit Christ in us, says Holy Spirit here, in other scriptures Christ. Same thing.. God.
God and satan can not indwell a believer. Only God indwells believers.
A non christian can have demons in them (ugh, hate this topic) but a Christian can not.
If there is some sort of demonic stuff occuring (which would be externally); help from those who have been thru such may be able to help as well.
So, if this person can get to a support group in real life or connect with another who has had same issues, that is one way they can get help.
Just wanted to speak to above. Recovery team does encourage people very much so to real live help. It's fairly critical to recovery.
So, bless you D'Ann, we all believe differently about things, but wanted to share, and this is not specifically to you, but as to the readers due to the topic at hand.
love
tapero
I believe that deliverance from demon possession is very different than any other kind of deliverance. I think we do agree on many things though.
I'm sorry, but I disagree with your entire post. There is no danger of the forum being "taken over" It is required to be a Christian or to be open to Christ to join. A practicing Satanist was already rejected for access to the subforum. I could care less if people are curious about it, I don't want hateful people in there. Which leads me to why this is a closed forum - not because of God and Satan, but because the members are consistantly attacked on open forums.
The problem is that you are stereotyping all of us into one category. I'm not here to attack Moriah or anyone going through this spiritual struggle. How can the sincere of heart who truly care and want to pray and reach out to those who are suffering with prayers in a positive and up lifting way in Christ... how can we help them and be apart of their recovery if this forum is private?
You are assuming that all of us want to attack them, that is not right or fair.
Maybe set this subforum up similar to "Ask a Pastor" forum. That way, Fr. Rick and a few others who have a calling to this ministry can reach out and help them and all of it can be done anonymously. If necessary, people can also send pms back and forward. Why have this subforum set up as it was set up. Although, Erwin and staff are now discussing this and so... I pray that the decision they come up with will be a good one for those who are struggling with this spiritual warfare as well as us who want to pray and help.
True. Its almost as if some want it open for that purpose!
That is not fair to make that assumption. You are lumping a bunch of caring people in a wrong way. You are criticizing us while falsely accusing us all of attacking others.
Hey Christ pulled me out of a major cesspool. Christ is the only reason why i keep putting one foot infront of another. Christ is the one who I hide in, when the old ones come calling, trying to convince me go hunting.
When I first came to faith, the enemy fought hard to stop me changing camps, including 2 almost potential car crashes, which only stopped from being actual car crashed because I called on the name of God.
As hard as the enemy tried to get me to falter and fall, I have learnt that God, fights far harder to protect those who are His.
Your words are inspirational and your testimony is beautiful. Thank you for sharing because it gives us all hope that with God's help and with prayers and a willingness to surrender to Christ... that we have deliverance of our sins and Salvation in Christ when we surrender.
First of all this is for CHRISTIANS seeking repetance and forgiveness. and the reason they need their own forum is bc of just what you posted,
You are a prime example of why they need they're own forum. bc saying things like this do not help anyone. ALL who accept Jesus and make an honest effort to change their ways will be forgiven.
Yet why is it that I see so much condemning from our brothers and sisters on here? Everyone who comes to God in good faith should have a chance for forgiveness. who are we to stop them? These people want Christ, they want change. let them have it.
Amen.
~Blessed Be.
Having this forum be secret or open will not stop them seeking Christ and forgiveness. You are also accusing all of us in a stereotypical way. You are assuming that all of us are on the attack, when we all are not.
I haven't read through the whole thread but I think having a place to sort out what happened in a safe environment is a really good idea.
When I was in high school, I was approached by a Cult called the Forever Family led by Stuart Trail. I was vulnerable and looking for love and acceptance which I was not finding at my Catholic Church at the time. I was in the cult for over a year, even became the house church secretary. When the time came that everyone was being moved to New York, I panicked and called a friend who had gotten me into the cult and who later joined a Baptist Church for help to help me get out. Members of her church came and helped me leave. My parents were not okay with me attending a Baptist Church, my local Catholic Church wanted nothing to do with me, and I drifted into the occult. I was heavily involved with the occult not knowing the true dangers. I was so naive that I didn't know the grip that satan had on me. I had gotten into drugs, alcohol and sex. It wasn't until years later, I saw the passion play titled Thou Art the Christ that my heart was opened to the truth. I started attending a non-demoninational (sp) church and spoke to the pastor about my past. My pastor did an evening study about the occult shortly after our talk. When I told him about all the unpublished books that I had on the subject, his only response was to throw it all out. I threw one book out 3 or 4 times. I don't know how it kept showing up in my apartment. Things got scary at my place, things I couldn't explain. When I told a co-worker about it, she called her pastor and her entire church prayed for me the whole night. Whatever had been in my place was removed.
The cult I was in, still exists under a new name. They are called the Church of Bible Understanding. The people I knew in the occult are still very active in PA. What happened to me happened 20 years ago, so I have pretty much sorted my past out. I was lucky. I was drawn to a bible believing church that had a great pastor who understood my past and was able to help me. People that have not experienced these things sometimes have trouble understanding it. When a person is coming out of this type of environment, he/she needs to be able to talk about it. To get it out. To clear his/her mind and head. My church even allowed me to attend the children's bible time (as a helper) so that I could resort and learn the basic truths that had gotten distorted from my past.
Sorry that I seem to be writing a book. But this area should exist with parameters in place. There should be knowledgable understanding, patient and loving pastors as moderators and managers on the thread. These individuals should be involved in the discussions. And very importantly these individuals should be consistantly lifted up in prayer by any and all prayer warriors on this site.
Your testimony is beautiful. I'm grateful that Christ pulled you back to him.
If you make it a hidden forum you will hide it from people who need it too.
Exactly. How will new members even know about it?
The only minors that would be allowed in there are ones that are recovering from the occult anyways, now are you saying that minors recovering from the occult shouldn't be allowed this resource ?
I appreciate what you are saying.
If it were made not private, there would be more reports than a hundred mods would be able to deal with.It would totally wreck it.
You are assuming the worse scenario here. Maybe instead, it might help us all to grow in a better and deeper understanding of how to help people who are struggling in this sort of spiritual warfare. It might help us all learn how important it is that we truly unite together in prayer.
If it were not private those who need help would be bashed,slandered and condemned. All they are asking for is forgiveness. But some dont see it that way. As I have said before, let them find Christ and let Christ come into their lives as He has so graciously come into ours.
~Blessed Be.
No one is denying them this opportunity. What we are worried about is the secrecy and that the Pastoral Team did not know about it except Fr. Rick knew about it. I have no interest in bashing or slandering or condemning anyone... for how we judge, we shall be judged. But I do believe that in order to truly help the members, it will need heavy moderation from people like Fr. Rick and others who have been through this struggle and with Christ overcame it. It will need to be well protected and governed.
Then why did I read a mod say this
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Sorry, but everybody is talking in circles. First it is for recovering ex-occultists, but one of the people who is deciding who is "friendly" enough to gain admittance has publically stated she is demon possessed and
Well, I think this froum is a good idea. I would like to see RECOVERING ex-occultists receive help from understanding and compassionate people. However, at this point it is all so jumbled, and it appears that one of the deciders isn't even qualified to use the forum. Perhaps it should be scrapped and started over so as it includes everyone who needs help.
I have seen lots of posts saying these people are being attacked in public forums. I am sorry they feel that way, but as I was taught, those in the light do not play with darkness. I have no problem with ex-occultists. I think they are heroic for fighting their way out. And I think that this is a ministry that this forum, as well as our real life churches, should equip themselves for. I also believe the "attacking" might be happening on both sides.
As it is, I have a 16-year-old stepdaughter who would run to such a secret forum in a New York minute. She does not understand the dangers of playing with hellfire. And if she were to have access to some ofthe subject matter I have seen suggested in the wiki, and I couldn't monitor it, I would be livid. Kids should not be encouraged to do things in secret.
As I said before, it is a good idea, but a terrible execution.
Yup... good idea, terrible execution process of it. I'm glad that Erwin and the pastoral/Omega Team are discussing it now.
I also have a 16 year old. I would be freaked and shocked and upset if I found out that my daughter was allowed in this kind of forum and I was not notified or that my permission was not given...
Yes, there would be hell to pay. Nothing is worse than a mother's scorn and anger... and believe me, every mother has a lion and a bear in her... don't mess with my cubs.
That being said, I would definitely take her to my priest and seek help for her.
