Recovery from the occult forum - an explanation

[RoseyK]

Agreed. I was out of my parents house the same age. I understand people wanting to keep them safe, but sometimes sheltering can do more harm than good. If they need help and want Christ. they should be able to recieve Him. If its only curiousity then no, they should not be allowed. These people that need help are not animals in a zoo. They are people like you and I. and they need guidance. As children of God, we should welcome them with open arms if help and Christ is what they seek.

~Blessed Be

i agree with you completely. have a blessed day.

 

[Sanctuaryandbliss]

i agree with you completely. have a blessed day.

You as well, I am off to find more threads to invade hehe.

~Blessed Be

 

[Autumnleaf]

I'm sorry, but I disagree with your entire post. There is no danger of the forum being "taken over" It is required to be a Christian or to be open to Christ to join. A practicing Satanist was already rejected for access to the subforum. I could care less if people are curious about it, I don't want hateful people in there. Which leads me to why this is a closed forum - not because of God and Satan, but because the members are consistantly attacked on open forums.

If you make it a hidden forum you will hide it from people who need it too.

 

[pgp_protector]

Hi I appreciate what you're saying, but I don't think people who are too young to drink should be exposed to graphic descriptions of sex with demons. I also don't think someone who has issues like this should be choosing to share it with someone your age, but that's something I'll bring up with Moriah herself.

It's not a reflection on you, it's a reflection on the site being legally and spiritually responsible.

The only minors that would be allowed in there are ones that are recovering from the occult anyways, now are you saying that minors recovering from the occult shouldn't be allowed this resource ?

 

[pgp_protector]

I dont see why they shouldnt have their own forum. The hostility we saw in the earlier threads shows that the people WANTING to recover and find Jesus needs it. Look at the posts and see how Hostile it gets. Let them find peace in God and repent their sins and find forgivness.

~Blessed Be.

out of rep points

 

[Sanctuaryandbliss]

out of rep points

Its ok, I am not posting for rep points. Only to post my opinion. Thank you though. Rep points are only bonuses!

~Blessed Be.

 

[icedtea]

If it were made not private, there would be more reports than a hundred mods would be able to deal with.It would totally wreck it.

 

[Sanctuaryandbliss]

If it were made not private, there would be more reports than a hundred mods would be able to deal with.It would totally wreck it.

If it were not private those who need help would be bashed,slandered and condemned. All they are asking for is forgiveness. But some dont see it that way. As I have said before, let them find Christ and let Christ come into their lives as He has so graciously come into ours.

~Blessed Be.

 

[Time2BCounted]

If it were not private those who need help would be bashed,slandered and condemned. All they are asking for is forgiveness. But some dont see it that way. As I have said before, let them find Christ and let Christ come into their lives as He has so graciously come into ours.

~Blessed Be.

I hope you dont take this as an attack or a slander, its neither. I am trying to understand your position, and i notice you use commonly the wiccan/pagan salutation 'blessed be' at the end of all your posts, yet your icon says baptist... are you wiccan or pagan too?

 

[Sanctuaryandbliss]

I hope you dont take this as an attack or a slander, its neither. I am trying to understand your position, and i notice you use commonly the wiccan/pagan salutation 'blessed be' at the end of all your posts, yet your icon says baptist... are you wiccan or pagan too?

Blessed be merely means have a blessed day, be blessed, may you be blessed. Just a different way of saying it. I am not pagan/wiccan. But I like the phrase. You shouldnt have to only bless someone a certain way bc of your religion.

All that matters is that I am Blessing Good tidings to all. Its about faith and wishing others well.

In my opinion of course. If someone is offended because I am Baptist and say "Blessed Be." Then that is their issue.

~Blessed Be. (Have a blessed day.)

 

[Time2BCounted]

Blessed be merely means have a blessed day, be blessed, may you be blessed. Just a different way of saying it. I am not pagan/wiccan. But I like the phrase. You shouldnt have to only bless someone a certain way bc of your religion.

All that matters is that I am Blessing Good tidings to all. Its about faith and wishing others well.

In my opinion of course. If someone is offended because I am Baptist and say "Blessed Be." Then that is their issue.

~Blessed Be. (Have a blessed day.)

No, im not offfended at all. The truth is, i am very familliar with wicca, paganism and other facets of the occult, and i have never seen before anyone say 'blessed be' and them having never been involved in th occult... you would be a first, which would then help me to understand better your position.

So i am glad you understand that this isnt an attack, but rather a sorting for my own mind.

i would like to be understood too, and my cause isnt against a forum to help former occultists, i question whether those in charge are actually 'former' and only because of their posts, and this concerns me.

 

[Gwenyfur]

Hey Christ pulled me out of a major cesspool. Christ is the only reason why i keep putting one foot infront of another. Christ is the one who I hide in, when the old ones come calling, trying to convince me go hunting.


When I first came to faith, the enemy fought hard to stop me changing camps, including 2 almost potential car crashes, which only stopped from being actual car crashed because I called on the name of God.

As hard as the enemy tried to get me to falter and fall, I have learnt that God, fights far harder to protect those who are His.

Therein lies the crux of the difference...you had the will and mindset to call on Him for deliverance, you didnt' revel and delight in the call to go hunting...youd didn't revel in the pleasure and seduction, instead you called out to your Savior. Others in the same situation are still reveling in their enslavement, enjoying the power, the seductions, it's torment and not even attempting to call on Y'shua to help them, or to fight the battle for them. He will...if you want Him to will all your heart. You've learned this. Others have not, and refuse to, and wish to continue on their path...and seemingly glorying in it.

Therein lies the rub.

I'm sorry, not only does it concern all of staff, it concerns all of the members. All of the members have a right to know there is a secret forum for dealing with satanism. Everything about it, from it's secrecy to it's closed participation to it's selection of mods and it's rules screams something that is not even closely linked to Christianity or transparency.

Secrets
Psalm 88:12
Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?

I was 17 when I was involved with the cult and 18 when I got involved with the occult. Young people are exposed to these things at a very early age. It is on the tv, in the classroom, in the newspaper. If you are not aware of the subtle ways that satan uses to get a foothold into your life, you wouldn't notice it until it is too late. If trying to get help, a young person should be granted access even at 17 or 18.

I started at a young age, and it wasn't long until the LHP had led me down into necromancy...when I speak it is from experience, that it wasn't easy, but deliverance comes to those who aren't resting in their own strength, but in their own weakness, and trusting and believingthat G-d can and will win the battle for you. Not in revelling and glorifying the experiences, power, and seduction of the dark one.


The issues here continue to be:
-the requestor of this forum, while truly in need of help, first needs to learn she can do nothing within her own strength or intellect, it truly is a surrender to Y'shua and letting Him handle the fight. Yet instead still revels in her relationship with the dark one, declares her pleasure at this attentions without regret or shame.
-the privacy and secrecy of both the founding and administration of this subforum
-the recommendation of pastoral to close the forum

While I admit, not all persons involved in this forum are revelling in the attentions of the dark one, and are indeed learning to walk uprightly in the sight of G-d, others are still enjoying their enslavement, and refuse the Light, Life, and Freedom gifted by those who call out to the Savior. Ironically, the ones in charge of choosing access, moderators, and formulating the protocols. That is what leads to the questioning of the membership on the validity of the subforum.

 

[Sanctuaryandbliss]

No, im not offfended at all. The truth is, i am very familliar with wicca, paganism and other facets of the occult, and i have never seen before anyone say 'blessed be' and them having never been involved in th occult... you would be a first, which would then help me to understand better your position.

So i am glad you understand that this isnt an attack, but rather a sorting for my own mind.

i would like to be understood too, and my cause isnt against a forum to help former occultists, i question whether those in charge are actually 'former' and only because of their posts, and this concerns me.

Your concerns are Valid, and I have said, I do know the pastors are speakin on about the forums and its future. As for Former relations with other religions and facets there of, who better to council someone then one who had gone through it themselves?

Some say I have blind hope for mankind, but I have faith that if the right people step up, people will be helped. people who truely need it.

As for firsts, theres a first for everything. and I am for religious equality in the sense that I am not going to change you, but if you want to learn Ill teach, and if I cannot teach then I will point you in the right direction. (This gets me in trouble sometimes) and I have been told by some that this love I have is unappreciated. if that is so I will pay for it. but for now I will continue to love.

~Blessed Be

 

[icedtea]

No, im not offfended at all. The truth is, i am very familliar with wicca, paganism and other facets of the occult, and i have never seen before anyone say 'blessed be'

baptist be


(had to)

 

[kiwimac]

I disagree. As a member, a priest, a counsellor. We have group sessions in counselling for a reason. They enable growth that otherwise might never happen, they give a like-minded body of supporters WHO UNDERSTAND where you are at and they are closed to outsiders.

 

[Sanctuaryandbliss]

baptist be


(had to)

LOL

 

[E-beth]

Contrary to popular belief, it was not created solely for one person, although it hoped to be a solution to the disharmony that had been occurring within Spiritual Warfare and, to a lesser extent, the Deliverance Ministry.

Then why did I read a mod say this

It was set up specifically to handle Moriah and she is being given alot of autonomy of exactly who will be allowed in, and what the rules are.

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Sorry, but everybody is talking in circles. First it is for recovering ex-occultists, but one of the people who is deciding who is "friendly" enough to gain admittance has publically stated she is demon possessed and

God of Heaven, i do not want deliverance.

Well, I think this froum is a good idea. I would like to see RECOVERING ex-occultists receive help from understanding and compassionate people. However, at this point it is all so jumbled, and it appears that one of the deciders isn't even qualified to use the forum. Perhaps it should be scrapped and started over so as it includes everyone who needs help.

I have seen lots of posts saying these people are being attacked in public forums. I am sorry they feel that way, but as I was taught, those in the light do not play with darkness. I have no problem with ex-occultists. I think they are heroic for fighting their way out. And I think that this is a ministry that this forum, as well as our real life churches, should equip themselves for. I also believe the "attacking" might be happening on both sides.

As it is, I have a 16-year-old stepdaughter who would run to such a secret forum in a New York minute. She does not understand the dangers of playing with hellfire. And if she were to have access to some ofthe subject matter I have seen suggested in the wiki, and I couldn't monitor it, I would be livid. Kids should not be encouraged to do things in secret.

As I said before, it is a good idea, but a terrible execution.

 

[Sanctuaryandbliss]

OK I am getting some PMs on why I am edorsing this forum. I do NOT know the person heading it or THEIR intentions. what I am endorsing is the CONCEPT of the forum. A safe place for someone to seek help without feeling like they will get bashed. thats it. that is what I am standing for. IF the header has other intentions I am unaware. But the CONCEPT is a good one for those seeking Christ.

~Blessed Be.

 

[Time2BCounted]

Then why did I read a mod say this
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Sorry, but everybody is talking in circles. First it is for recovering ex-occultists, but one of the people who is deciding who is "friendly" enough to gain admittance has publically stated she is demon possessed and

Well, I think this froum is a good idea. I would like to see RECOVERING ex-occultists receive help from understanding and compassionate people. However, at this point it is all so jumbled, and it appears that one of the deciders isn't even qualified to use the forum. Perhaps it should be scrapped and started over so as it includes everyone who needs help.

I have seen lots of posts saying these people are being attacked in public forums. I am sorry they feel that way, but as I was taught, those in the light do not play with darkness. I have no problem with ex-occultists. I think they are heroic for fighting their way out. And I think that this is a ministry that this forum, as well as our real life churches, should equip themselves for. I also believe the "attacking" might be happening on both sides.

As it is, I have a 16-year-old stepdaughter who would run to such a secret forum in a New York minute. She does not understand the dangers of playing with hellfire. And if she were to have access to some ofthe subject matter I have seen suggested in the wiki, and I couldn't monitor it, I would be livid. Kids should not be encouraged to do things in secret.

As I said before, it is a good idea, but a terrible execution.

Not only terrible execution, but terrible forethought. How is someone who glorifies satanic sonnets and declares they want no deliverance, and admits to demonic possesion qualified to help those who ARE interested in deliverance. All i see is a trap meant to ensnare those who may want to escape

 

[Sanctuaryandbliss]

Not only terrible execution, but terrible forethought. How is someone who glorifies satanic sonnets and declares they want no deliverance, and admits to demonic possesion qualified to help those who ARE interested in deliverance. All i see is a trap meant to ensnare those who may want to escape

I could see where your coming from on this one.

Like i said the leaders intentions I am unaware. Thats why I am only saying im for the concept. Seems fishy. But the general concept is nice if we could get actual people wanting to help in there.

~Blessed Be