Recovery from the occult forum - an explanation

[psalms 91]

Please understand i have nothing against anyone here personally at all. My desire is to really see those seeking deliverance to receive what they need.

I personally stand on my stated stand, this is something we need assurance isnt a snare for those seeking deliverance.

If those in charge of allowing or disallowing this care that so many have so many objections, they would then take steps to quickly assure everyone that concerns would be addressed and there will be some sort of proper oversite. If they wish for the christian to remain a part of this community, and if we are really going to stick to these 5 principals, these issues really need to be addressed openly and once and for all in clear concise ways. I believe a good thing to do would be to just upfront let everyone know where the lines are drawn. This seems to only create a constant sourse of strife and confusion when so many things are just done in the dark seemingly conflicting with established rules and promises.

Exactly, and Erwin and senior staff could go a long way towards this if they are direct and the statements are not general.

 

[icedtea]

this is not the behavior of a person seeking release...

That was....sad.

 

[Tenebrae]

Will this change when there are more people, besides Moriah, who need this ministry? Will they be granted the same degree of authority as she is, or will she have a unique position as a founding member? At a certain point, no individual will have complete control over who is admitted to the forum, once there are a number of individuals present with their own unique concerns.

It was set up with the view of more people being added as the need arises. The rules were devised not only for the current here and now

However the founding members are so totally shattered and in pieces right now, that its all on hold. There was so much love and concern expressed for my soul yesterday, that is left me feeling like the bus hasnt just hit me, but its reversed over me several times as well

So for all of those who have expressed support, thankyou, words are inadequate

To all of those who disagree, and want further points clarified at the moment, I am not able to deal with those, spending large amounts of time dissociating, and hanging onto God, desperately trying to not fall into the abyss, that seems so inviting, and in many ways would be preferable to this pain

Hopefully in a few days, I'll be slightly more compus mentus

 

[Sylvanspirits]

First you wipe the name of Christ from the forums then create secret society's set up to help an odd few who make the most noise
Forgive me Sylvan spirits but how on earth do you expect to get away with this sort of double standard ?

I did not wipe the name of Christ from the forums.
The reason this "secret society", as you put it, is needed is because of the hostility demonstrated towards these few. I realize some people may never see why it is needed, but if one doesn't have to see the forum, what does it matter?

 

[Time2BCounted]

this is not the behavior of a person seeking release...

In light of this, what IS GOING ON?

WHAT is this forum really for? youre creating it for someone not interested in deliverance, by their own admission, rather than just ban them for not adhereing to the 5 'principles' of promoting things that are against Christ...

Remove the name of Christ from the forum, and remove the creeds?

Just seems to all fly in the face of any reason, where is an explanation as to why this seeming unrepentant person holds so much sway over the direction of this board. Can we call have this same consideration? If so i want MY forum, and so do half the people here. If we DONT get the same consideration, then why?

 

[psalms 91]

this is not the behavior of a person seeking release...

I agree, part of deliverance involvescutting all ties with the past you are trying to be delivered from. A genuine willingnes to do this,

 

[spoiltbrat2003]

this is not the behavior of a person seeking release...

Strange acts for one with so much power and influence on this forum,
Though it has to be said it doesn't surprise me the way this forum is going

 

[psalms 91]

I did not wipe the name of Christ from the forums.
The reason this "secret society", as you put it, is needed is because of the hostility demonstrated towards these few. I realize some people may never see why it is needed, but if one doesn't have to see the forum, what does it matter?

What matters is what we as Christians will stand for. God Himself commanded that all evil be put to death or put out of the camp. In the New we are told to spread the light but where it is not accepted to shake the dust off our feet. Many here are willing to help if allowed but none that are speaking their piece will condone what I just read in that forum existing here. If that is what they really want then that is the place to post things like that. If it is part of recovery to say I did x or y that is different. If in counseling feelings get expressed that is something as well, but to allow that when it is obvious from the tenor of the posts here, then we go against everything we believe in. Why are all the issues lately being tried to be shaded with grey where no grey exists?

 

[Tenebrae]

Nothing will be accomplished without prayer, and much damage will occur without it.

Lisa

The damage has already been done

 

[GreenMunchkin]

this is not the behavior of a person seeking release...

I just had a thought about that after I repped you. Maybe if Moriah has somewhere she feels safe here, she won't need to go to places like that anymore. We can pray for that.

But if that's what the private forum will consist of, it's even more important that minors aren't permitted and that there's at least nominal accountability.

 

[Sylvanspirits]

it's even more important that minors aren't permitted

I feel like I'm not wanted. I know the concerns you have, though.

 

[JimfromOhio]

As long as there is strife, this forum will not survive. People will keep arguing and debating rather than working together.

 

[BelindaP]

this is not the behavior of a person seeking release...

How can you say that the demons were not manifesting when she posted those?

 

[psalms 91]

I just had a thought about that after I repped you. Maybe if Moriah has somewhere she feels safe here, she won't need to go to places like that anymore. We can pray for that.

But if that's what the private forum will consist of, it's even more important that minors aren't permitted and that there's at least nominal accountability.

If that is what it is for how can we allow it here to coexist? What in the world does this board stand for?

 

[spoiltbrat2003]

How can you say that the demons were not manifesting when she posted those?

And what is to say they don't when she is ministering to others ?

 

[Tenebrae]

this is not the behavior of a person seeking release...

Gwen, you are a little bit behind the times. This was spotted weeks ago, and moriah was challenged about it, and since that time has made no further posts have been made.

If you look at the last post, it was made on the 2 september

 

[VickiY]

Or when others come seeking that same deliverance, and the demons in her turn them away?

This is a hugely bad idea. Internet exorcisms? She, and others like her, need to get real life help, and have my prayers.

 

[BelindaP]

She isn't going to be doing the ministering without supervision. For the most part, she will be a major recipient of ministering.

There will be NO online exorcisms. That is strictly forbidden by the rules.
We would prefer that she get real life help, and we continue to encourage it. Unfortunately, her interactions with Christians has been primarily on this board, and we haven't inspired a great deal of confidence in her.

 

[Sylvanspirits]

This is a hugely bad idea. Internet exorcisms?

Article 5: Ministerial Parameters

5.a. : No online "deliverance" or "exorcisms"

In keeping with the sound counsels of the previous Deliverance Ministry, Deliverance Theology, and Spiritual Warfare fora, NO ATTEMPTS AT ONLINE "EXORCISM" ARE PERMITTED IN THE BETH SHE'AN SUBFORUM. This includes "confrontation" of (real or supposed) demonic manifestations or exorcist-style responses to posts and/or behavior deemed to constitute such.​

ALL situations begging intervention of this confrontational nature require real-world, hands-on, 3-d presence of other people for the safety of the "client". Breaking this rule ONCE is grounds for permanent expulsion from Beth She'an.
GOOD pastoral ethics covering spiritual care apply in this folder.
​

 

[Time2BCounted]

Gwen, you are a little bit behind the times. This was spotted weeks ago, and moriah was challenged about it, and since that time has made no further posts have been made.

If you look at the last post, it was made on the 2 september

and when did word of this new secret forum begin?