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Read this and I agree - nothing can be done to save the multitudes who do not believe.

Nothing can be done to save the multitudes who do not believe except the Gospel. The Gospel is the invitation to all unbelievers to receive Lord Jesus by faith, confessing "Jesus is Lord."

1 Corinthians 1:21 (WEB) 21 For seeing that in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom didn’t know God, it was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save those who believe.

Romans 10:17-18 (WEB)
17 So faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18 But I say, didn’t they hear? Yes, most certainly,

Their sound went out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.
” [Psalm 19:4]
 
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Just a 'late' interjection , so to speak.
Absolutely Yes! All God's Word Is Unchangeable Truth.

Yet including "EVEN the demons believe, and shudder in terror." (because they know they are already judged condemned)

I am glad you brought that up. To "believe" in Lord Jesus, according to the Gospel, always includes repentance (2 Corinthians 7:10) and a commitment to listen to and follow Lord Jesus to receive His Spirit (Act 5:32; John 14:15-17, 21-23) to be saved (John 10:27-29).
 
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Perspective - the Gospel Even Does Not Save Those who Live in , Remain in, or Return to (if possible) Unbelief.
And cannot ever help the demons , the demons who BELIEVE!

Very true. As Scripture teaches us, the indwelling Spirit will only give the Christian eternal life if he continues to sow to the Spirit without giving up.

Galatians 6:7-9 (WEB) Instruction to the Galatian Christians 7 Do not be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap destruction. But he who sows to the Spirit will {{{from the Spirit}}} reap eternal life. 9 Let us not be weary in doing good, for we will reap in due season, {{if we}} {{{do not give up}}}.
 
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So, you were the moderator of a Calvinist Board who deleted one of my posts because, in another unrelated post, I did not explain the Passages I quoted; yet, you refuse to explain how "2 Thessalonians 2:13-14" teaches that God chose, from the beginning, to give us faith to be saved.
The post is explained you just need to read it
 
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Bill, the pronouns are consistently pointing “To the saints,” who are “the faithful in Christ Jesus” (Ephesians 1:1). All the blessings and promises listed in "Ephesians 1:1-16" are “To the saints,” who are “the faithful in Christ Jesus” (Ephesians 1:1).

Nothing in "Ephesians 1:1-16" teaches anything about God giving them faith so they can be saved. Yes, the Scriptures teach that God grants Jews as well as Gentiles the privilege to believe in Lord Jesus to be saved; and so, the Gospel Call to both Jews and Gentiles is that they should believe in Lord Jesus to be saved. That is God's plan from the beginning.

1 Corinthians 1:21 (WEB) For seeing that in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom didn’t know God, it was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save those who believe.

Romans 5:1-2 (WEB) Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; 2 through whom we also have our access by faith into this grace in which we stand. We rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Lord Jesus paid for redemption of all, but only the faithful are redeemed and regenerated.
Good day, Setst777

We agree on the consistent use of the pronouns in Eph1.

Does one need Faith to be saved? Can one be in Christ with out Faith?

Yes God does grant faith to both Jews and Gentiles not for our sake but for Christs sake. If it is not granted you do not have faith.

Phl 1:29 For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake

The Gospel is a command of God Repent and Believe in regeneration God is the cause of obedience that is the beauty of the NC.

Eze 36:26 I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

God preforms the miracle he is the cause and the His purposes come to pass.. If He does not (give, put and remove) you can not walk and obey the command to repent and believe.

Yes, all whom he paid for (redeemed) are the same (all) that are regenerated and (all) have the gifts of Faith and repentance as they are Granted by God to His adopted (all) children the ones he chose to be His own (all of them).



In Him,

Bill
 
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Yes, all whom he paid for (redeemed) are the same (all) that are regenerated and (all) have the gifts of Faith and repentance as they are Granted by God to His adopted (all) children the ones he chose to be His own (all of them).
Jesus paid for the sins of all men everywhere and every when. There is no human who has not had his sins paid for (1 John 2:2, John 3:16).
Yet not all will be saved, not all are regenerated, not all are adopted. If God's will was the only factor in who was saved, then all men everywhere would be saved (2 Pet 3:9), but we know that the majority will not be saved (Matt 7:13-14).
 
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Jesus paid for the sins of all men everywhere and every when. There is no human who has not had his sins paid for (1 John 2:2, John 3:16).
Yet not all will be saved, not all are regenerated, not all are adopted. If God's will was the only factor in who was saved, then all men everywhere would be saved (2 Pet 3:9), but we know that the majority will not be saved (Matt 7:13-14).
Good day, Doug

Lots to cover here...

1Jn 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

He did propitiate for the sins of the whole world... just not every person but every sin contained in the whole world.

John 3:16 -whosoever believes means only the ones believing.

Correct God does not adopt all only the ones he chooses as His own

God does not regenerate all, only the ones he chooses.

Regeneration is rebirth and we know mans' will has nothing to do with that:

Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

God's will is the only effective cause of the whole of Salvation.

You assume two things that God wants everybody saved, and yet is incapable of doing that.

2peter:

Follow the pronouns ( They and You) though the text and the context:

2Pe 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:


(2Pe 3:5 For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.
2Pe 3:7 But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. )

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.



It is easily established, that the pronoun “you” always in this context refers to (beloved) believers. The any (pronoun), and the all (adj) refer to and modify the you in the text.


So how does that couple with repentance?

God though out time will be patient to ensure all believers (gifted faith from God) current and future, are granted the gift of repentance for the explicit purpose of leading them to the knowledge of the truth, ( you can not believe truth you do not know), bring them to their senses and allow them to escape the snare of the devil because they have been captured by him, and need the ability to escape.



Ti 2:24 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.



The wonderful purpose and plan of God to by his grace give gifts that by design set the captive free, and effectively show us the truth with out fail.

In Him,

Bill
 
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In Rom 5:10

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

The elect was reconciled to God by the sole death of Christ, which death satisfied for them unto God His Law and Justice. 24
 
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Jesus paid for the sins of all men everywhere and every when. There is no human who has not had his sins paid for (1 John 2:2, John 3:16).
Yet not all will be saved, not all are regenerated, not all are adopted. If God's will was the only factor in who was saved, then all men everywhere would be saved (2 Pet 3:9), but we know that the majority will not be saved (Matt 7:13-14).
Good day, Doug

Are you suggesting that he atoned for these as well?

1Sa_3:14 Therefore I swear to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli's house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever.”

In Him

Bill
 
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Not one scripture denies it

If you believed that Lord Jessu is a pink elephant, and I showed you all the Scripture stating that Lord Jesus is a glorified man in heaven, I don't need to show you Scriptures that deny that Lord Jesus is a pink elephant.

So too, just because you believe that Gods election causes them to be the Faithful, I don't need to show you Scriptures that deny your fantasy, but I can show you that Scripture teaches us that God elects to save those who believe in Lord Jesus.
 
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The post is explained you just need to read it

None of the posts you wrote explains how "2 Thessalonians 2:13-14" teaches that God chose, from the beginning, to give us faith to be saved. Therefore, your use of "2 Thessalonians 2:13-14" is invalid, and your argument is based in fantasy.
 
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None of the posts you wrote explains how "2 Thessalonians 2:13-14" teaches that God chose, from the beginning, to give us faith to be saved. Therefore, your use of "2 Thessalonians 2:13-14" is invalid, and your argument is based in fantasy.
Good day, Sets77

You would agree that in order to be save you need faith correct?

People with out faith are not saved and God is not pleased by them?

In Him,

Bill
 
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Good day, Setst777

We agree on the consistent use of the pronouns in Eph1.

Does one need Faith to be saved? Can one be in Christ with out Faith?

Yes God does grant faith to both Jews and Gentiles not for our sake but for Christs sake. If it is not granted you do not have faith.

Phl 1:29 For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake

Philippians 1:29 (WEB) 29 Because it has been granted [5483 xarízomai] to you on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in him, but also to suffer on his behalf,

5483 xarízomai (aorist indicative passive 3rd person plural) literally means, "to exercise grace, freely show favor," i.e. willingly ("graciously") bestow [Strong's Concordance.]

Notice that "granted" is passive not accusative, meaning that no one is giving faith in that Passage.

So, God is not giving [1435 dṓron] you faith and suffering; rather, God graciously bestows [5483 xarízomai] upon mankind, through the Gospel invitation, to not only for us to believe in His Son, but also to suffer for him as well.

In the context of “Philippians 1:29,” God is not mentioned as the "object" - as the one giving faith (accusative). God is not said to be the one granting, as in giving faith, rather, it is granted freely to you; which indicates that what is granted to you, is something that is graciously allowed for you to do. God does grant "to you" the gracious privilege to believe and suffer for Christ.

The Passage states:


It is granted to you to believe and to suffer for Christ's sake.

The Passage does not state:

God is giving you faith and suffering for Christ's sake.

We are not only freely granted the gracious opportunity to believe in Jesus, but also to suffer for His sake, so that we may also share in His glory.

Romans 8:17 (WEB) and if children, then heirs: heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him.

Acts 14:22 (WEB) strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that through many afflictions we must enter into God’s Kingdom.

The word “given” implies the plan of God for salvation; in that, through the Gospel of Christ, we are invited to believe, and we are also promised suffering for Lord Jesus as a result. All are invited - Jew and Gentile alike.

Acts 11:18 (WEB) When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life!

Acts 13:46-47 (WEB) 46 Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly, and said, “It was necessary that God’s word should be spoken to you first. Since indeed you thrust it from yourselves, and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 For so has the Lord commanded us, saying, ‘I have set you as a light for the Gentiles, that you should bring salvation to the uttermost parts of the earth.’” [Luke 2:30-32; Isaiah 49:6]

Matthew 28:9 (WEB) Go therefore to the intersections of the highways, and as many as you may find, invite to the wedding feast.

So, by the Gospel invitation, we are given the gracious opportunity to believe in Lord Jesus. Many people will reject God's gracious offer, but to all who do believe, are saved.

The Gospel is a command of God Repent and Believe in regeneration God is the cause of obedience that is the beauty of the NC.

According to all the Scriptures, we must first repent and believe to be regenerated.

John 5:24 (WEB) 24 “Most certainly I tell you, he who hears [listens] my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life, and doesn’t come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Regeneration is the light of life (Ephesians 5:8) and is by faith evidenced by following Lord Jesus:

John 8:12“I am the light of the world. [Isaiah 60:1] He who follows me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the {{light of life}}.” [The light of life is regeneration and is God’s Work in those who follow Lord Jesus.]

Eze 36:26 I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

God preforms the miracle he is the cause and the His purposes come to pass.. If He does not (give, put and remove) you can not walk and obey the command to repent and believe.

Yes, all whom he paid for (redeemed) are the same (all) that are regenerated and (all) have the gifts of Faith and repentance as they are Granted by God to His adopted (all) children the ones he chose to be His own (all of them).

In Him,

Bill

REGARDING EZEKIEL 36,

Eze 36:26 I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

Do you, as a Christian who has a new heart and new Spirit perfectly walk in His statutes? Are you careful to obey all God's rules?

"Ezekiel 36:25-27" is a prophecy for the New Covenant in Christ. But the fulfillment in in the resurrection and glorification of the saints.

All those believers of the Old Covenant lived before the Spirit was given to believers after the glorification in Christ Jesus (John 7:37-39). Even so, whether OT or NT, we all still sin in weakness, and we do not obey all God's rules. So, although we see a partial fulfillment now, before the resurrection, we will see the complete fulfillment in the glorified state, when all sin and death is conquered.

"Ezekiel 36:25-27," therefore, is a prophecy of the New Covenant, and its fulfillment in the Eternal State of after the Resurrection; however, this Passage does not explain how or when God will purify them and give them a new heart and new spirit, only that God will do it.

"Ezekiel 11:16-21" is the same prophecy of the New Covenant as in Ezekiel 36:25-27. But in "Ezekiel 11:16-21" we see an explanation of "how" and "when" the new heart and new spirit is given; in that, those who put away the detestable practices are the ones whom God will purify and give a new heart and spirit.

The explanation of "Ezekiel 11:16-21" as to the how or when is in harmony with all those other Passages that state that a person or nation must first repent and believe for God to form us for noble purposes and blessing. For instance: Jeremiah 18:1-11; 2 Timothy 2:19-21.

The fact is, the Spirit lives in us (Christians), and makes us alive, as the Christian remains faithful to live, walk, and sow to the Spirit. These are the "Christians" the Holy Spirit gives eternal life to.

Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived. God is not mocked. For whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will {{{from the Spirit}}} reap eternal life. 9 {{{Let us}}} not be weary in doing good, for {{{WE}}} will reap in due season, {{{IF WE do not give up}}}

John 8:12 He who {{{follows me}}} will not walk in the darkness, but will have the {{{light of life}}}.

The "light of life" is "regeneration, and is a possession of those who follow Lord Jesus.

Even though Christians have the indwelling Spirit, and the Laws are written on our hearts, that does not mean Christians will obey God's Law perfectly.

Do you have the Laws of God written on your heart? If so, do you obey all God's Laws perfectly?

God writes the laws on our hearts, but only those who repent and believe will live out that Law by faith in Lord Jesus, but not perfectly because we still live in sinful flesh.

Many Christians will:

Grieve the indwelling Spirit (Ephesians 4:17-32),
Quench the indwelling Spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:19),
Insult/Enrage the indwelling Spirit (Hebrews 10:24-31),
Reject the indwelling Spirit (1 Thessalonians 4:1-8),
Lie to the indwelling Spirit (Acts 5:3), and
Test the indwelling Spirit (Acts 5:9).

Therefore, even though the Christians have a new heart and new spirit, the Spirit will only give Eternal Life to the Christian who remains faithful to sow to the Spirit without giving up.

Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived. God is not mocked. For whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will {{{from the Spirit}}} reap eternal life. 9 {{{Let us}}} not be weary in doing good, for {{{WE}}} will reap in due season, {{{IF WE do not give up}}}
 
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Good day, Sets77

You would agree that in order to be save you need faith correct?

People with out faith are not saved and God is not pleased by them?

In Him,

Bill

Correct.
 
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If you believed that Lord Jessu is a pink elephant, and I showed you all the Scripture stating that Lord Jesus is a glorified man in heaven, I don't need to show you Scriptures that deny that Lord Jesus is a pink elephant.

So too, just because you believe that Gods election causes them to be the Faithful, I don't need to show you Scriptures that deny your fantasy, but I can show you that Scripture teaches us that God elects to save those who believe in Lord Jesus.
Not one scripture denies it
 
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None of the posts you wrote explains how "2 Thessalonians 2:13-14" teaches that God chose, from the beginning, to give us faith to be saved. Therefore, your use of "2 Thessalonians 2:13-14" is invalid, and your argument is based in fantasy.
It explains it to me.
 
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Good day, Doug

Lots to cover here...

1Jn 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

He did propitiate for the sins of the whole world... just not every person but every sin contained in the whole world.

John 3:16 -whosoever believes means only the ones believing.

Correct God does not adopt all only the ones he chooses as His own

God does not regenerate all, only the ones he chooses.

Regeneration is rebirth and we know mans' will has nothing to do with that:

Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

God's will is the only effective cause of the whole of Salvation.

You assume two things that God wants everybody saved, and yet is incapable of doing that.
I assume nothing. God says He wants all to come to repentance, not just the ones who are already righteous. And He has set certain mechanisms in place for the salvation of any and all who choose Him. He is capable of saving every single soul, but He will only save those who choose to obey and honor Him. Yes, He COULD create some for glorious purpose and some for base purpose (as Rom 9:19-24 says), but that does not mean that He DID. He chose those to be His who chose Him as their own. John 6:44 says that no one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws them. But then in John 12:32 we are told that when Jesus was lifted up on the cross He (and the Father since they are one) drew ALL mankind to Himself.
2peter:
Follow the pronouns ( They and You) though the text and the context:

2Pe 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

(2Pe 3:5 For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.
2Pe 3:7 But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. )

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.



It is easily established, that the pronoun “you” always in this context refers to (beloved) believers. The any (pronoun), and the all (adj) refer to and modify the you in the text.
Yes, "you" refers back to the initial intended audience of the believers, which by extension includes all of the believers today. But "any" and "all" do not refer back to or modify "you". They refer to any soul on Earth. God does not want any person to be lost, but wants all souls to come to repentance (and thus salvation), hence His sacrifice for all mankind, not just the saved.
 
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