Reconciled to God while enemies !

[Brightfame52]

Great. You can write to yourself then.

You read what I wrote !

 

[BBAS 64]

I assume nothing. God says He wants all to come to repentance, not just the ones who are already righteous. And He has set certain mechanisms in place for the salvation of any and all who choose Him. He is capable of saving every single soul, but He will only save those who choose to obey and honor Him. Yes, He COULD create some for glorious purpose and some for base purpose (as Rom 9:19-24 says), but that does not mean that He DID. He chose those to be His who chose Him as their own. John 6:44 says that no one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws them. But then in John 12:32 we are told that when Jesus was lifted up on the cross He (and the Father since they are one) drew ALL mankind to Himself.

Yes, "you" refers back to the initial intended audience of the believers, which by extension includes all of the believers today. But "any" and "all" do not refer back to or modify "you". They refer to any soul on Earth. God does not want any person to be lost, but wants all souls to come to repentance (and thus salvation), hence His sacrifice for all mankind, not just the saved.

Good day, Doug

If God wanted all to repent then he would have granted it to all:

2 Timothy 2:25, Paul says that we must gently instruct those who oppose us in the hope that “God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth.”

John 6:44 is the father drawing to overcome the inability of man.... You can not come unless God does something

Again:
Joh 6:64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

God grants the ability to come if he does not you can not because you are unable.


John 12:32 he said that to show the kind of death he would suffer

2 very different contexts really nothing to do with each other at all.

Back to 2nd Peter:

The "any" is a pronoun to which noun does it refer?
The "all" is an adjective and it is used as a Adj to modify a noun/pronoun.. so which noun or pronoun does it modify.

Where in the text "any soul on Earth" in a noun form? You need a noun to assume any (pronoun) refers to it.

Once we have that noun we can deal with the adj and modification.

In Him,

Bill

 

[BBAS 64]

Philippians 1:29 (WEB) 29 Because it has been granted [5483 xarízomai] to you on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in him, but also to suffer on his behalf,

5483 xarízomai (aorist indicative passive 3rd person plural) literally means, "to exercise grace, freely show favor," i.e. willingly ("graciously") bestow [Strong's Concordance.]

Notice that "granted" is passive not accusative, meaning that no one is giving faith in that Passage.

So, God is not giving [1435 dṓron] you faith and suffering; rather, God graciously bestows [5483 xarízomai] upon mankind, through the Gospel invitation, to not only for us to believe in His Son, but also to suffer for him as well.

In the context of “Philippians 1:29,” God is not mentioned as the "object" - as the one giving faith (accusative). God is not said to be the one granting, as in giving faith, rather, it is granted freely to you; which indicates that what is granted to you, is something that is graciously allowed for you to do. God does grant "to you" the gracious privilege to believe and suffer for Christ.

The Passage states:

It is granted to you to believe and to suffer for Christ's sake.

The Passage does not state:

God is giving you faith and suffering for Christ's sake.

We are not only freely granted the gracious opportunity to believe in Jesus, but also to suffer for His sake, so that we may also share in His glory.

Romans 8:17 (WEB) and if children, then heirs: heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him.

Acts 14:22 (WEB) strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that through many afflictions we must enter into God’s Kingdom.

The word “given” implies the plan of God for salvation; in that, through the Gospel of Christ, we are invited to believe, and we are also promised suffering for Lord Jesus as a result. All are invited - Jew and Gentile alike.

Acts 11:18 (WEB) When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life!

Acts 13:46-47 (WEB) 46 Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly, and said, “It was necessary that God’s word should be spoken to you first. Since indeed you thrust it from yourselves, and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 For so has the Lord commanded us, saying, ‘I have set you as a light for the Gentiles, that you should bring salvation to the uttermost parts of the earth.’” [Luke 2:30-32; Isaiah 49:6]

Matthew 28:9 (WEB) Go therefore to the intersections of the highways, and as many as you may find, invite to the wedding feast.

So, by the Gospel invitation, we are given the gracious opportunity to believe in Lord Jesus. Many people will reject God's gracious offer, but to all who do believe, are saved.



According to all the Scriptures, we must first repent and believe to be regenerated.

John 5:24 (WEB) 24 “Most certainly I tell you, he who hears [listens] my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life, and doesn’t come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Regeneration is the light of life (Ephesians 5:8) and is by faith evidenced by following Lord Jesus:

John 8:12“I am the light of the world. [Isaiah 60:1] He who follows me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the {{light of life}}.” [The light of life is regeneration and is God’s Work in those who follow Lord Jesus.]



REGARDING EZEKIEL 36,

Eze 36:26 I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

Do you, as a Christian who has a new heart and new Spirit perfectly walk in His statutes? Are you careful to obey all God's rules?

"Ezekiel 36:25-27" is a prophecy for the New Covenant in Christ. But the fulfillment in in the resurrection and glorification of the saints.

All those believers of the Old Covenant lived before the Spirit was given to believers after the glorification in Christ Jesus (John 7:37-39). Even so, whether OT or NT, we all still sin in weakness, and we do not obey all God's rules. So, although we see a partial fulfillment now, before the resurrection, we will see the complete fulfillment in the glorified state, when all sin and death is conquered.

"Ezekiel 36:25-27," therefore, is a prophecy of the New Covenant, and its fulfillment in the Eternal State of after the Resurrection; however, this Passage does not explain how or when God will purify them and give them a new heart and new spirit, only that God will do it.

"Ezekiel 11:16-21" is the same prophecy of the New Covenant as in Ezekiel 36:25-27. But in "Ezekiel 11:16-21" we see an explanation of "how" and "when" the new heart and new spirit is given; in that, those who put away the detestable practices are the ones whom God will purify and give a new heart and spirit.

The explanation of "Ezekiel 11:16-21" as to the how or when is in harmony with all those other Passages that state that a person or nation must first repent and believe for God to form us for noble purposes and blessing. For instance: Jeremiah 18:1-11; 2 Timothy 2:19-21.

The fact is, the Spirit lives in us (Christians), and makes us alive, as the Christian remains faithful to live, walk, and sow to the Spirit. These are the "Christians" the Holy Spirit gives eternal life to.

Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived. God is not mocked. For whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will {{{from the Spirit}}} reap eternal life. 9 {{{Let us}}} not be weary in doing good, for {{{WE}}} will reap in due season, {{{IF WE do not give up}}}

John 8:12 He who {{{follows me}}} will not walk in the darkness, but will have the {{{light of life}}}.

The "light of life" is "regeneration, and is a possession of those who follow Lord Jesus.

Even though Christians have the indwelling Spirit, and the Laws are written on our hearts, that does not mean Christians will obey God's Law perfectly.

Do you have the Laws of God written on your heart? If so, do you obey all God's Laws perfectly?

God writes the laws on our hearts, but only those who repent and believe will live out that Law by faith in Lord Jesus, but not perfectly because we still live in sinful flesh.

Many Christians will:

Grieve the indwelling Spirit (Ephesians 4:17-32),
Quench the indwelling Spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:19),
Insult/Enrage the indwelling Spirit (Hebrews 10:24-31),
Reject the indwelling Spirit (1 Thessalonians 4:1-8),
Lie to the indwelling Spirit (Acts 5:3), and
Test the indwelling Spirit (Acts 5:9).

Therefore, even though the Christians have a new heart and new spirit, the Spirit will only give Eternal Life to the Christian who remains faithful to sow to the Spirit without giving up.

Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived. God is not mocked. For whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will {{{from the Spirit}}} reap eternal life. 9 {{{Let us}}} not be weary in doing good, for {{{WE}}} will reap in due season, {{{IF WE do not give up}}}

Good day, Sets77

Again lots there can not speak to much of the Greek way past me.

Gods Gracious gift ( faith) to his children ( mounce) 3:26
Not only is belief a gracious gift from God 4:55

Matthew Henry notes:

There are two precious gifts given, and both on the behalf of Christ: - 1. To believe in him. Faith is God's gift on the behalf of Christ, who purchased for us not only the blessedness which is the object of faith, but the grace of faith itself: the ability or disposition to believe is from God. 2. To suffer for the sake of Christ is a valuable gift too: it is a great honour and a great advantage; for we may be very serviceable to the glory of God, which is the end of our creation, and encourage and confirm the faith of others. And there is a great reward attending it too: Blessed are you when men shall persecute you, for great is your reward in heaven, Mat_5:11, Mat_5:12. And, if we suffer with him, we shall also reign with him, 2Ti_2:12. If we suffer reproach and loss for Christ, we are to reckon it a great gift, and prize it accordingly, always provided we behave under our sufferings with the genuine temper of martyrs and confessors (Php_1:30): “Having the same conflict which you saw in me, and now hear to be in me; that is, suffering in the same manner as you saw and now hear of me that I suffer.” It is not simply the suffering, but the cause, and not only the cause, but the spirit, which makes the martyr. A man may suffer in a bad cause, and then he suffers justly; or in a good cause, but with a wrong mind, and then his sufferings lose their value.

Johgn Gill:

not only to believe in him; for faith in Christ, which is not merely believing that he is the Christ, and all that is said of him, or all that he himself says, but is a seeing of the Son, a going to him, receiving, embracing, leaning, relying, and living upon him, as God's salvation, is a pure gift of grace; it is not in nature, nor in every man, and in whom it is, it is not of themselves, it is the gift of God; the first implantation of it, all its acts and exercise, its increase, and the performance of it at last with power, are all owing to the grace of God; and this is only given to the elect, for it is a distinguishing gift; it is given to them, and them alone, and, therefore called the faith of God's elect:

My new heart gives me new desires, it is not totally wicked and deceitful.

I do struggle with things even as a Christian we are not perfect just forgiven, I know I must preach the Gospel to my self every day.

God allows us to struggle with sin our whole lives to convince us until our dying breath of our desperate need of the gospel." -John Newton

We do not agree on regeneration at all, I am happy to leave that here.

C.H Spurgeon (the Prince of Preachers):

We believe, that the work of regeneration, conversion, sanctification and faith, is not an act of man's free will and power, but of the mighty, efficacious and irresistible grace of God.

In Him,

Bill

 

[Brightfame52]

Good day, Doug

If God wanted all to repent then he would have granted it to all:

2 Timothy 2:25, Paul says that we must gently instruct those who oppose us in the hope that “God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth.”

John 6:44 is the father drawing to overcome the inability of man.... You can not come unless God does something

Again:
Joh 6:64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

God grants the ability to come if he does not you can not because you are unable.


John 12:32 he said that to show the kind of death he would suffer

2 very different contexts really nothing to do with each other at all.

Back to 2nd Peter:

The "any" is a pronoun to which noun does it refer?
The "all" is an adjective and it is used as a Adj to modify a noun/pronoun.. so which noun or pronoun does it modify.

Where in the text "any soul on Earth" in a noun form? You need a noun to assume any (pronoun) refers to it.

Once we have that noun we can deal with the adj and modification.

In Him,

Bill

Those whom God would come to repentance and not perish, its Just as Good as Done !

 

[setst777]

Good day, Sets77

Again lots there can not speak to much of the Greek way past me.

Gods Gracious gift ( faith) to his children ( mounce) 3:26
Not only is belief a gracious gift from God 4:55

Matthew Henry notes:

There are two precious gifts given, and both on the behalf of Christ: - 1. To believe in him. Faith is God's gift on the behalf of Christ, who purchased for us not only the blessedness which is the object of faith, but the grace of faith itself: the ability or disposition to believe is from God. 2. To suffer for the sake of Christ is a valuable gift too: it is a great honour and a great advantage; for we may be very serviceable to the glory of God, which is the end of our creation, and encourage and confirm the faith of others. And there is a great reward attending it too: Blessed are you when men shall persecute you, for great is your reward in heaven, Mat_5:11, Mat_5:12. And, if we suffer with him, we shall also reign with him, 2Ti_2:12. If we suffer reproach and loss for Christ, we are to reckon it a great gift, and prize it accordingly, always provided we behave under our sufferings with the genuine temper of martyrs and confessors (Php_1:30): “Having the same conflict which you saw in me, and now hear to be in me; that is, suffering in the same manner as you saw and now hear of me that I suffer.” It is not simply the suffering, but the cause, and not only the cause, but the spirit, which makes the martyr. A man may suffer in a bad cause, and then he suffers justly; or in a good cause, but with a wrong mind, and then his sufferings lose their value.

Johgn Gill:

not only to believe in him; for faith in Christ, which is not merely believing that he is the Christ, and all that is said of him, or all that he himself says, but is a seeing of the Son, a going to him, receiving, embracing, leaning, relying, and living upon him, as God's salvation, is a pure gift of grace; it is not in nature, nor in every man, and in whom it is, it is not of themselves, it is the gift of God; the first implantation of it, all its acts and exercise, its increase, and the performance of it at last with power, are all owing to the grace of God; and this is only given to the elect, for it is a distinguishing gift; it is given to them, and them alone, and, therefore called the faith of God's elect:

My new heart gives me new desires, it is not totally wicked and deceitful.

I do struggle with things even as a Christian we are not perfect just forgiven, I know I must preach the Gospel to my self every day.

God allows us to struggle with sin our whole lives to convince us until our dying breath of our desperate need of the gospel." -John Newton

We do not agree on regeneration at all, I am happy to leave that here.

C.H Spurgeon (the Prince of Preachers):

We believe, that the work of regeneration, conversion, sanctification and faith, is not an act of man's free will and power, but of the mighty, efficacious and irresistible grace of God.

In Him,

Bill

You don't have to know Greek, because I plainly gave you the evidence to view for yourself. While various scholars have their views based on their religious affiliation, the Scriptures do not lie or take sides.

The "passive tense" for "granted" is really the key to understanding the verse so there can be no confusion.

Philippians 1:29 (WEB) 29 Because it has been granted [5483 xarízomai] to you on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in him, but also to suffer on his behalf,

5483 xarízomai (aorist indicative passive 3rd person plural) literally means, "to exercise grace, freely show favor," i.e. willingly ("graciously") bestow [Strong's Concordance.]

Notice that "granted" is passive not accusative, meaning that no one is giving faith in that Passage, and "God" is not even mentioned; rather, "granted" is in the 3rd person plural.

Also: 5483 xarízomai does not mean "gift." Rather, 1435 dṓron means gift.

So, God is not giving [1435 dṓron] you faith and suffering; rather, God graciously bestows [5483 xarízomai] upon mankind, through the Gospel invitation, to not only for us to believe in His Son, but also to suffer for him as well.

The Passage states:

It is granted (passive, not accusative) to you to believe and to suffer for Christ's sake.

The Passage does not state:

God is giving (accusative) you faith and suffering for Christ's sake.

Therefore, we are not only freely granted the gracious opportunity to believe in Jesus, but also to suffer for His sake, so that we may also share in His glory.

That is all this Passage is saying. If you still choose to believe in what your religious affiliation teaches, then go ahead, but I have shown you that actual grammar used. And the grammar itself plainly shows that the "granting" is a gracious privilege or opportunity given "to you" to believe and suffer.

 

[BBAS 64]

You don't have to know Greek, because I plainly gave you the evidence to view for yourself. While various scholars have their views based on their religious affiliation, the Scriptures do not lie or take sides.

The "passive tense" for "granted" is really the key to understanding the verse so there can be no confusion.

Philippians 1:29 (WEB) 29 Because it has been granted [5483 xarízomai] to you on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in him, but also to suffer on his behalf,

5483 xarízomai (aorist indicative passive 3rd person plural) literally means, "to exercise grace, freely show favor," i.e. willingly ("graciously") bestow [Strong's Concordance.]

Notice that "granted" is passive not accusative, meaning that no one is giving faith in that Passage, and "God" is not even mentioned; rather, "granted" is in the 3rd person plural.

Also: 5483 xarízomai does not mean "gift." Rather, 1435 dṓron means gift.

So, God is not giving [1435 dṓron] you faith and suffering; rather, God graciously bestows [5483 xarízomai] upon mankind, through the Gospel invitation, to not only for us to believe in His Son, but also to suffer for him as well.

The Passage states:

It is granted (passive, not accusative) to you to believe and to suffer for Christ's sake.

The Passage does not state:

God is giving (accusative) you faith and suffering for Christ's sake.

Therefore, we are not only freely granted the gracious opportunity to believe in Jesus, but also to suffer for His sake, so that we may also share in His glory.

That is all this Passage is saying. If you still choose to believe in what your religious affiliation teaches, then go ahead, but I have shown you that actual grammar used. And the grammar itself plainly shows that the "granting" is a gracious privilege or opportunity given "to you" to believe and suffer.

Thanks... Just think that Mounce does a fine job with the text.

Premiere Greek NT Scholar DA Carson notes:

D.A. Carson , Philippians 1

WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO “conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ” (Philippians 1:27)? The expression is striking. It is also adverbial—that is, it describes the manner of our c…

trinitypastor.wordpress.com

Snip... What a remarkable notion! Paul does not say that these Christians have been called to suffer as well as to believe, but that it has been granted to them to suffer as well as to believe—as if both suffering for Christ and believing in Christ were blessed privileges that have been graciously granted. That, of course, is precisely what he means. We often think of faith as a gracious gift of God (Eph. 2:8-9), but suffering?

At some point I could see him, and I will pass long what you have shared here,

Thanks Again,

Bill

 

[Doug Brents]

Good day, Doug

If God wanted all to repent then he would have granted it to all:

2 Timothy 2:25, Paul says that we must gently instruct those who oppose us in the hope that “God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth.”

John 6:44 is the father drawing to overcome the inability of man.... You can not come unless God does something

God has already done something. He gave His Son, and His Son drew all men to Himself when He was lifted up. So now all men can come to Christ through the foolishness of preaching.

Again:
Joh 6:64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

God grants the ability to come if he does not you can not because you are unable.

God has granted all men the ability to come to Him through Christ. Yes, Jesus knew who would believe, and who would betray Him, but it was not He who caused them to disbelieve or to betray. Foreknowledge does not convey complicity in the act.

John 12:32 he said that to show the kind of death he would suffer

2 very different contexts really nothing to do with each other at all.

Different contexts? The only part of what He said that hinted at how He would die was the reference to being lifted up. The preceding portion of the sentence has no reference to how He died, but it does have direct impact on this discussion. John 6:44 says that God must call us in order for us to come to Christ. But John 12:2 says that He did call us all when He was lifted up, so then, the ability to come to God has been given to all mankind.

Back to 2nd Peter:

The "any" is a pronoun to which noun does it refer?
The "all" is an adjective and it is used as a Adj to modify a noun/pronoun.. so which noun or pronoun does it modify.

Where in the text "any soul on Earth" in a noun form? You need a noun to assume any (pronoun) refers to it.

anyone
τινας (tinas)
Interrogative / Indefinite Pronoun - Accusative Masculine Plural
Strong's 5100: Any one, some one, a certain one or thing. An enclitic indefinite pronoun; some or any person or object.

Any, can be used without a noun when the noun is understood by the context. By the context, we can know that "any" refers to everyone including those mockers mentioned in verses 3 and 4.

 

[setst777]

Thanks... Just think that Mounce does a fine job with the text.

Premiere Greek NT Scholar DA Carson notes:

D.A. Carson , Philippians 1

WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO “conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ” (Philippians 1:27)? The expression is striking. It is also adverbial—that is, it describes the manner of our c…

trinitypastor.wordpress.com

Snip... What a remarkable notion! Paul does not say that these Christians have been called to suffer as well as to believe, but that it has been granted to them to suffer as well as to believe—as if both suffering for Christ and believing in Christ were blessed privileges that have been graciously granted. That, of course, is precisely what he means. We often think of faith as a gracious gift of God (Eph. 2:8-9), but suffering?

At some point I could see him, and I will pass long what you have shared here,

Thanks Again,

Bill

Yes, I agree with what you wrote here. In other words, "granted" does not mean a "gift" that God is causing in those he elected; rather, "granted" means, as you wrote, "blessed privileges" to not only believe in him but to suffer for him as well.

 

[Brightfame52]

According to Rom 5:10 how were they Christ died for reconciled to God? 24

 

[setst777]

According to Rom 5:10 how were they Christ died for reconciled to God? 24

Not "they" but "we." The "we" are those who now believe.

Lord Jesus purchased reconciliation by his blood, and the sinner is reconciled to God, being declared righteous, by faith in Lord Jesus.

Romans 5:8-11 (WEB)
8 But God commends his own love toward us [all sinful humanity],
in that while we [Believers] were yet sinners [past tense, before salvation by faith: John 3:14-18],
Christ died for us [Christ died for all sinners, including those who now believe in him: John 3:14-16].
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood [the sinner who puts his faith in Lord Jesus is justified by his blood: Romans 5:1],
we [Believers who are justified by faith: Romans 5:1] will be saved
from God’s wrath through him ["we" believers are saved from the wrath to come].
10 For if while we [Believers] were [past tense] enemies [when we were still part of sinful mankind],
we [who have put our faith in Lord Jesus] were [when we first believed] reconciled to God
through the death of his Son [Believers were reconciled to God by his blood when we believed: John 3:16-18],
much more, being reconciled [Lord Jesus purchased reconciliation, but only those who believe are reconciled by His blood: John 3:14-18],
we [Believers] will be saved [all those who believe will be eternally saved]
by his life [Just as Lord Jesus was raised to life, all those believing in Him will also be raised to eternal life].
11 Not only so, but we [believers, being reconciled by faith in Him] also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
through whom we [Believers] have now received the reconciliation [through faith in Christ and His blood: Romans 3:25].

 

[Brightfame52]

Not "they" but "we." The "we" are those who now believe.

Lord Jesus purchased reconciliation by his blood, and the sinner is reconciled to God, being declared righteous, by faith in Lord Jesus.

Romans 5:8-11 (WEB)
8 But God commends his own love toward us [all sinful humanity],
in that while we [Believers] were yet sinners [past tense, before salvation by faith: John 3:14-18],
Christ died for us [Christ died for all sinners, including those who now believe in him: John 3:14-16].
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood [the sinner who puts his faith in Lord Jesus is justified by his blood: Romans 5:1],
we [Believers who are justified by faith: Romans 5:1] will be saved
from God’s wrath through him ["we" believers are saved from the wrath to come].
10 For if while we [Believers] were [past tense] enemies [when we were still part of sinful mankind],
we [who have put our faith in Lord Jesus] were [when we first believed] reconciled to God
through the death of his Son [Believers were reconciled to God by his blood when we believed: John 3:16-18],
much more, being reconciled [Lord Jesus purchased reconciliation, but only those who believe are reconciled by His blood: John 3:14-18],
we [Believers] will be saved [all those who believe will be eternally saved]
by his life [Just as Lord Jesus was raised to life, all those believing in Him will also be raised to eternal life].
11 Not only so, but we [believers, being reconciled by faith in Him] also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
through whom we [Believers] have now received the reconciliation [through faith in Christ and His blood: Romans 3:25].

According to Rom 5:10 how were they Christ died for reconciled to God?

 

[zoidar]

According to Rom 5:10 how were they Christ died for reconciled to God?

I don't think you should isolate Rom 5:10 from the rest of Scripture.

 

[Brightfame52]

I don't think you should isolate Rom 5:10 from the rest of Scripture.

According to Rom 5:10 how were they Christ died for reconciled to God?

 

[zoidar]

According to Rom 5:10 how were they Christ died for reconciled to God?

Rom 5:10 doesn't say "how" they Christ died for were reconciled to God. It just says it was by the "means" of Christ death. If you read the whole chapter you see "how" they were reconciled through Christ death, and that is by faith.

Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
— Romans 5:1

Being reconciled to God, means you have been justified. In what way would you be reconciled if you are still not justified?

 

[Brightfame52]

Rom 5:10 doesn't say "how" they Christ died for were reconciled to God. It just says it was by the "means" of Christ death. If you read the whole chapter you see "how" they were reconciled through Christ death, and that is by faith.

Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
— Romans 5:1

Being reconciled to God, means you have been justified. In what way would you be reconciled if you are still not justified?

According to Rom 5:10 how were they Christ died for reconciled to God?

 

[zoidar]

According to Rom 5:10 how were they Christ died for reconciled to God?

Rom 5:10 doesn't say "how" they Christ died for were reconciled to God. It says it was by the "means" of Christ death.

 

[Brightfame52]

Rom 5:10 doesn't say "how" they Christ died for were reconciled to God. It says it was by the "means" of Christ death.

How and by what means are synonyms duh. So the people Christ died for were reconciled to God, by means of His Death. Now according to Rom 5:10 what is promised to happen to them reconciled ?

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

[zoidar]

According to Rom 5:10 how were they Christ died for reconciled to God?

It does not say!

 

[Brightfame52]

It does not say!

You cant see things I see in the verse. By His Death is how

 

[zoidar]

You cant see things I see in the verse. By His Death is how

Yes, by the means of his death.