Reconciled to God while enemies !

[Brightfame52]

Yes, by the means of his death.

Its the same thing

 

[zoidar]

Its the same thing

No, the means is by what we are reconciled.

Rom 5:10 is answering by what we were reconciled, by a sacrifice (of death). It is not saying how this sacrifice (of death) reconciles us

 

[Brightfame52]

No, the means is by what we are reconciled.

Rom 5:10 is answering by what we were reconciled, by a sacrifice. It is not saying how this sacrifice reconciles us

What is the promise to the reconciled in Rom 5:10

 

[zoidar]

What is the promise to the reconciled in Rom 5:10

The promise is if we were saved while being enemies to God, how much more will we be eternally saved now as friends to God.

 

[setst777]

According to Rom 5:10 how were they Christ died for reconciled to God?

Not "they" but "we." Paul is addressing believers, not unbelievers.

Christ paid for the reconciliation by his shed blood on the cross for all people, and it is by faith, that *we* (Believers) received that reconciliation, being *justified by faith.*

Romans 5:1-2 (ENIV) 1 Therefore, since we have been {{{justified through faith}}} we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand.

Romans 4:16 (ENIV) 16 …the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring.

John 3:16 (WEB) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life

I have shown you the context. Paul is writing to the Believers in Rome about the gracious promises they now have in Christ Jesus when they believed. That is the "we," "us," and "our" that Paul is writing to.

 

[Brightfame52]

The promise is if we were saved while being enemies to God, how much more will we be eternally saved now as friends to God.

Thats not what it says. Read it Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

[Brightfame52]

Not "they" but "we." Paul is addressing believers, not unbelievers.

Christ paid for the reconciliation by his shed blood on the cross for all people, and it is by faith, that *we* (Believers) received that reconciliation, being *justified by faith.*

Romans 5:1-2 (ENIV) 1 Therefore, since we have been {{{justified through faith}}} we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand.

Romans 4:16 (ENIV) 16 …the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring.

John 3:16 (WEB) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life

I have shown you the context. Paul is writing to the Believers in Rome about the gracious promises they now have in Christ Jesus when they believed. That is the "we," "us," and "our" that Paul is writing to.

I know who Paul is addressing, according to Rom 5:10 how were the believers reconciled to God ?

 

[zoidar]

Thats not what it says. Read it Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

If you are reconciled, you are made friends, you are justified, you are saved ... different words, but nuances of the same thing.

Much more then, having now been justified, by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled (were saved, were justified, were made friends) to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled (been saved, been justifed, been made friends) we shall be saved (eternally) by His life.
— Romans 5:9-10

 

[setst777]

I know who Paul is addressing, according to Rom 5:10 how were the believers reconciled to God ?

Believers are reconciled to God because of Christ's sacrifice of himself for the sins of the world. Therefore, the "we" who believe are now reconciled to God by Christ, through faith in him.

Romans 5:1-2 (ENIV) 1 Therefore, since we have been {{{justified through faith}}} we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand.

Romans 4:16 (ENIV) 16 …the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring.

John 3:16 (WEB) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life

 

[Brightfame52]

If you are reconciled, you are made friends, you are justified, you are saved ... different words, but nuances of the same thing.

Much more then, having now been justified, by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled (were saved, were justified, were made friends) to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled (been saved, been justifed, been made friends) we shall be saved (eternally) by His life.
— Romans 5:9-10

Then Christ died only for them that will be saved by His life reconciled by His Death

 

[Brightfame52]

Believers are reconciled to God because of Christ's sacrifice of himself for the sins of the world. Therefore, the "we" who believe are now reconciled to God by Christ, through faith in him.

Romans 5:1-2 (ENIV) 1 Therefore, since we have been {{{justified through faith}}} we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand.

Romans 4:16 (ENIV) 16 …the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring.

John 3:16 (WEB) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life

What condition were believers in when they were reconciled by His death according to Rom 5:10?

 

[zoidar]

Then Christ died only for them that will be saved by His life reconciled by His Death

I believe he died for everyone, yet his death only reconciles those of faith.

 

[Brightfame52]

I believe he died for everyone, yet his death only reconciles those of faith.

Then you don't believe Rom 5 10

 

[setst777]

What condition were believers in when they were reconciled by His death according to Rom 5:10?

The condition of the "we," "us," and "our" in Romans 5 are the believers who were dead in sin, but after believing, have passed out of death onto life.

John 5:24 (WEB) Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life, and doesn’t come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. [Regeneration is by faith]

The sinner is given eternal life, reconciled by the blood of Christ, when they put their faith in Lord Jesus.

John 3:16 (WEB) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life

 

[zoidar]

Then you don't believe Rom 5 10

Why would you say so?

 

[Brightfame52]

The condition of the "we," "us," and "our" in Romans 5 are the believers who were dead in sin, but after believing, have passed out of death onto life.

John 5:24 (WEB) Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life, and doesn’t come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. [Regeneration is by faith]

The sinner is given eternal life, reconciled by the blood of Christ, when they put their faith in Lord Jesus.

John 3:16 (WEB) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life

What condition were believers in when they were reconciled to Gid by His death according to Rom 5:10?

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

[Brightfame52]

Why would you say so?

I already said, you cant see where you and i differ ?

 

[zoidar]

I already said, you cant see where you and i differ ?

Of course I can. You think reconciliation happens without faith.

If I told you I went to my job by car. Wouldn't you naturally understand I also had to go into my car before driving to work, even I never said so? It's the same with Rom 5:10. Paul assumes the readers already understand reconciliation is by faith, since he has already said we are justified by faith.

 

[setst777]

What condition were believers in when they were reconciled to Gid by His death according to Rom 5:10?

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

The death of His Son reconciles to God those who "were" enemies to God. They were enemies, but no longer, because they are believers. The death of Christ will only reconcile to God those who believe in Lord Jesus.

John 3:16 (WEB) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life

As you can see for yourself, according to John 3:16, "the death of His Son" reconciles to God whoever will believe in him.

Sin, makes us enemies of God, but when the sinner puts his faith in Lord Jesus after hearing the Gospel, then he is reconciled to God by the death of His Son.

 

[Brightfame52]

Of course I can. You think reconciliation happens without faith.

If I told you I went to my job by car. Wouldn't you naturally understand I also had to go into my car before driving to work, even I never said so? It's the same with Rom 5:10. Paul assumes the readers already understand reconciliation is by faith, since he has already said we are justified by faith.

So why you ask duh