Reconciled to God while enemies !

[Brightfame52]

Reconciled by His Death means Justification !


Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

All those Christ died for, by His Death alone, have been Reconciled to God, while they themselves are enemies, now if that is True, then they had to be also Justified, because Reconciliation entails that they have been put in a Right standing with God, in His Favor ! The word for reconciliation is katallassō means:

I.to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value
A.
to reconcile (those who are at variance)

B.
return to favour with, be reconciled to one

C.
to receive one into favour

To be in God's Favor denotes being approved by Him, being accepted by Him much like Eph 1:6

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved

It means Highly Favored !

Now for this to be, they have to be Justified from all sin, which they are if and since Christ died for them, having all sin of theirs imputed to Him and not them, leaving them free from the charge of sin, which = Justiciation Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

So Rom 5:10 could read and be true like this Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were Justified before God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

No harm is Done !

 

[Doug Brents]

Reconciled by His Death means Justification !


Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

All those Christ died for, by His Death alone, have been Reconciled to God, while they themselves are enemies, now if that is True, then they had to be also Justified, because Reconciliation entails that they have been put in a Right standing with God, in His Favor ! The word for reconciliation is katallassō means:

I.to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value
A.
to reconcile (those who are at variance)

B.
return to favour with, be reconciled to one

C.
to receive one into favour

To be in God's Favor denotes being approved by Him, being accepted by Him much like Eph 1:6

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved

It means Highly Favored !

Now for this to be, they have to be Justified from all sin, which they are if and since Christ died for them, having all sin of theirs imputed to Him and not them, leaving them free from the charge of sin, which = Justiciation Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

So Rom 5:10 could read and be true like this Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were Justified before God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

No harm is Done !

Yes, Great harm is done when you change the words in Scripture. Reconcile does NOT mean Justify. We are NOT justified just because we are reconciled. We were reconciled 2000 years ago, long before we were born, but we are not justified until we exhibit our faith in Christ.

 

[Brightfame52]

@Doug Brents

Reconcile does NOT mean Justify

Yes it does

 

[zoidar]

@Doug Brents



Yes it does

Here I more or less agree, they are both reconciled and justified through faith by the sacrifice of Christ. ✝️

You say we are reconciled/justified to God and then for this reason we will come to faith some time in the future. I say we come to faith and for this reason we are a new creation, reconciled/justified to God. Which makes most sense?

 

[Brightfame52]

The false teaching of one sided Reconciliation !

Many today in organized, false religion, whether from church going folk or folk who have separated themselves from organized religion unto their own form of apostasy, they are false when they tell us that Christ's Death that effects Reconciliation to God for those He died for Rom 5:10, that its only one sided ! For the Truth of the matter is that His Death effects both, for it reconciles God to man and man to God, because man by nature are at enmity to God, yet it reconciles them to God from their estrangement causing them a return to God, much like what happened with the prodigal son when he said Lk 15 :18,20

18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,

And he arose , and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off , his father saw him, and had compassion , and ran , and fell on his neck, and kissed him.

Now his returning back to his Father is a beautiful picture of what the Death of Christ alone accomplished and effected upon all those He died for 1 Pet 2:24-25

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

The word returned epistrephō is in the passive voice[caused to turn back or bring back], which means the subject is being acted upon, hence being returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of their soul.

This is the fruitful effect of Christ having bare their sins, and healing them thereby, effecting a reconciliation back to God.6

 

[zoidar]

The false teaching of one sided Reconciliation !

Many today in organized, false religion, whether from church going folk or folk who have separated themselves from organized religion unto their own form of apostasy, they are false when they tell us that Christ's Death that effects Reconciliation to God for those He died for Rom 5:10, that its only one sided ! For the Truth of the matter is that His Death effects both, for it reconciles God to man and man to God, because man by nature are at enmity to God, yet it reconciles them to God from their estrangement causing them a return to God, much like what happened with the prodigal son when he said Lk 15 :18,20

18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,

And he arose , and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off , his father saw him, and had compassion , and ran , and fell on his neck, and kissed him.

Now his returning back to his Father is a beautiful picture of what the Death of Christ alone accomplished and effected upon all those He died for 1 Pet 2:24-25

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

The word returned epistrephō is in the passive voice[caused to turn back or bring back], which means the subject is being acted upon, hence being returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of their soul.

This is the fruitful effect of Christ having bare their sins, and healing them thereby, effecting a reconciliation back to God.6

The problem with your theology is you believe Christ gives you life before you are in Christ. I on the other hand believe you need to be in Christ to have life. You believe we are regenerated to life to come to be in Christ. I believe we are regenerated to life as we come to be in Christ. You believe we are regenerated to turn to Christ. I believe we regenerated when we turn to Christ.

That is a huge difference!

 

[Brightfame52]

The false teaching of one sided Reconciliation !2

Now 1 Pet 2:24-25 , this passage shows us if we have eyes to see, how that the death of Christ in Vs 24, called there His Stripes, how that it caused them He took the stripes for, or died for, to return to the Bishop and Shepherd of their Souls in Vs 25 because His Stripes healed them 1 Pet 2:24-25

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

The proof or evidence of the Healing is their return to God, which is also reconciliation of them to Him. The word returned here in the greek is epistrephó and means:

I turn (back) to (towards), (b) intrans: I turn (back) (to [towards]); I come to myself. However its an aorist indicative passive, meaning the person who is turning or returning is being turned, acted upon, its the efficaciousness of the Stripes of Christ that causes the person to turn, who was once gone astray ! Thats the end desired and purposed by God for the death of Christ, to return the lost sheep back to Him, and it was very successful !

The proof of the healing is the sinners being returned to God as exemplified here in the prodigal son Lk 15:18, 20

18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,

20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.

This is evidence from the scripture that Christ's Death also reconciles those gone astray , estranged men and women who are His Sheep, they are brought back to God or again as the Apostle Peter writes 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

That's reconciliation also ! His suffering for our sins, was for the purpose of bringing us back to God if indeed we were of His Sheep or Elect ! 7

 

[Brightfame52]

@zoidar

The problem with your theology is you believe Christ gives you life before you are in Christ

False, No i dont. Did you understand post 305 ?

 

[zoidar]

@zoidar



False, No i dont. Did you understand post 305 ?

Not my meaning to misrepresent you, but I though you believed you have to be given life to come to be in Christ. Is your belief the elect are in Christ when they are born?

 

[Brightfame52]

The false teaching of one sided Reconciliation !3


Another scripture passage that proves that Christ's death reconciles the estranged sinner back to God is here Col 1:20-22

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Notice for emphasis "And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled"

And how was that Paul ? "In the body of his flesh through death"

Folks what can be more plainer than that, that the Apostle here attributes the reconciliation of the ones " that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works,"

He attributes their reconciliation to God to Christ's Death !!!! He writes that it was through Death ! The word through dia means " on the account of"

This tells us that His death is the causative basis for being reconciled to God experimentally from our enmity and estrangement that we naturally have with Him !

Also the word reconcile here apokatallasso literally means :

to reconcile COMPLETELY, to change from one state of feeling [enmity] to another, to bring back to a former state of harmony, harmonious relations, this depicts the relation man had in Adam with God after his Creation and prior to his fall and disobedience.

The Death of Christ reinstates, restores that harmony with God but on a Higher Level through Spiritual Life given by Christ through New Birth. This was effected through His Death or was on the account of it, for the sake of it !

So with this in mind, whosoever among us who teaches that #1 Christ's Death alone does not effect the complete Salvation of the Ones He died, or #2 That the Reconciliation of His Death is ONLY ONESIDED Reconciliation, they are liars and antichrist's, and this what we have here proves it !

 

[Brightfame52]

Not my meaning to misrepresent you, but I though you believed you have to be given life to come to be in Christ. Is your belief the elect are in Christ when they are born?

Im posting what I believe, try reading it.

 

[zoidar]

Im posting what I believe, try reading it.

Yeah, you don't like to answer it, since then you see what you teach doesn't make sense.

 

[John Mullally]

Reconciled to God by His Death alone !


Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

One for whom Christ died does not have to be a believer in Christ in order for His Death to reconciled them to God, they can and are unbelievers while reconciled !

Who are the enemies who are reconciled to God? There is no scripture that says that God chooses particular unbelievers to be believe and be reconciled. Christ died for all people (1 Timothy 2:6, 1 John 2:1-2) and tasted death for all people (Hebrews 2:9). God is the savior of all people (1 Timothy 4:10). Christ's righteous act resulted in the justification of all people (Romans 5:18).

So why aren't all people saved? Because receiving from God requires faith. Given that the book of Ephesians was written to "the faithful in Christ" (Ephesians 1:1), then the "us" and "you" in that book pertains to "the faithful in Christ", and thus where Paul says that God has blessed us with all spiritual blessings in Christ, those blessings pertain to the faithful in Christ. Per Ephesians 1:3, no one outside of Christ (unbelievers) receive any spiritual blessings such as regeneration.

God is 100 % completely reconciled to all for whom His Son died, and His death did also redeem them from the curse of the Law Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Note, it was not the believers faith that did this, neither their repentance did it, but solely by the fact that He died and was made a curse for them, that's what did it, that reconciled them to God and it redeemed them from the curse of the Law, it put them into the favor of God, the word reconciled in Rom 5:10 is the greek word Katallasso:

to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value to reconcile (those who are at variance)
return to favour with, be reconciled to one
to receive one into favour

Since Jesus took upon Himself the “sin of the world,” (John 1:29), His atonement is therefore available to all, though is only applied whenever people place their faith in Him, just like His illustration at John 3:14-15 of Numbers 21:6-9 shows. Before a person looked upon the serpent on a standard, was anyone healed? Before a person believes in Jesus, is anyone saved?

God's Law and Justice can never charge them with law breaking or sin, nor their Surety anymore, for all that they owed to God's Law and Justice is finished Jn 19:30

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished [redemption and reconciliation]: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

The famous expression that “It is finished!” in John 19:30 appears to indicate the fulfillment of written prophesies, and at that time, Jesus had only just given His life on the Cross, and would not be raised from the dead until three days later. 1 Corinthians 15:17 states: “And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.” So, it wasn’t until after Christ was raised from the dead that redemption was accomplished, as there is no salvation apart from the resurrection.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

In other words, Christ for all those He died, hath fulfilled or paid in full and completely all that was due to God's Law and Justice, regarding their debts, and nothing else can be owed or charged to them He hath redeemed and reconciled.

Christ died for all people (1 Timothy 2:6, 1 John 2:1-2) and tasted death for all people (Hebrews 2:9).

 

[Brightfame52]

More on Reconciliation

2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The world here in this scripture cannot possibly mean everyone without exception, or every individual without exception as the False teachers tell us , simply because this world is comprised of all individuals who do not have any sins imputed or charged to them ! Everyone in this world meets the criteria of being this Man Rom 4:8

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. And that equates to reconciliation according to 2 Cor 5:19;

But we know this blessing does not apply to all without exception, because by other scripture we are informed of those who do have their sins charged to them Jn 8:24

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Which makes it impossible for any of those to be any of that World in 2 Cor 5:19, who had no sins charged or imputed to them, how is it therefore even remotely possible for them to die in their sins ? To be more clear on this matter, the reconciled world in 2 Cor 5:19 is a Saved World because its reconciled Rom 11:11-12,15

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

The reconciling of the world here in Vs 15 is the same as "Salvation is come to the Gentiles" in Vs 11 !

It actually means it [Salvation has come in the application of it] by the Spirit.

Reconciliation by Christ is Twofold, it Reconciled God to man and it reconciles man to God !

So the World in 2 Cor 5:19 is a Saved, reconciled world and 2 Cor 5:20 is a Call to Faith in the Truth of what has already occurred ! Faith cometh by Hearing the Word of Truth, and everyone who has been Reconciled to God, will hear the Truth of it, the Gospel of their Salvation !

So there is no way possible to equate the World in 2 Cor 5:19 with the Unbelievers and them who shall die in their sins Jn 8:24 ! 8

 

[Brightfame52]

Who are the enemies who are reconciled to God? There is no scripture that says that God chooses particular unbelievers to be believe and be reconciled. Christ died for all people (1 Timothy 2:6, 1 John 2:1-2) and tasted death for all people (Hebrews 2:9). God is the savior of all people (1 Timothy 4:10). Christ's righteous act resulted in the justification of all people (Romans 5:18).

So why aren't all people saved? Because receiving from God requires faith. Given that the book of Ephesians was written to "the faithful in Christ" (Ephesians 1:1), then the "us" and "you" in that book pertains to "the faithful in Christ", and thus where Paul says that God has blessed us with all spiritual blessings in Christ, those blessings pertain to the faithful in Christ. Per Ephesians 1:3, no one outside of Christ (unbelievers) receive any spiritual blessings such as regeneration.

Since Jesus took upon Himself the “sin of the world,” (John 1:29), His atonement is therefore available to all, though is only applied whenever people place their faith in Him, just like His illustration at John 3:14-15 of Numbers 21:6-9 shows. Before a person looked upon the serpent on a standard, was anyone healed? Before a person believes in Jesus, is anyone saved?

The famous expression that “It is finished!” in John 19:30 appears to indicate the fulfillment of written prophesies, and at that time, Jesus had only just given His life on the Cross, and would not be raised from the dead until three days later. 1 Corinthians 15:17 states: “And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.” So, it wasn’t until after Christ was raised from the dead that redemption was accomplished, as there is no salvation apart from the resurrection.

Christ died for all people (1 Timothy 2:6, 1 John 2:1-2) and tasted death for all people (Hebrews 2:9).

The people Christ died for were by His death for them, reconciled to God even while being enemies Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

[John Mullally]

The people Christ died for were by His death for them, reconciled to God even while being enemies Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Although God reconciled everyone now on the planet before we were born through Christ's death (1 Timothy 2:6, 1 John 2:1-2, Hebrews 2:9), we don't receive the benefit until we believe.

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.​

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Romans 8:1 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.​

1 Timothy 4:10 says that God is the Savior of all people - even those who remain under judgement because they don't believe. God is not the savior of anyone for which Christ did not die.

1 Timothy 4:10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.​

 

[Brightfame52]

Receiving the atonement or reconciliation !


Rom 5:10-11

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Many today in organized apostate religion, ignorant are they to the Merits of Christ Saving / Atoning Death, but yet would tell us that they do believe in Christ's Saving, Atoning, Reconciling Death, but then will tell us that millions for whom Christ died, reconciled to God, will yet some how die in Unbelief and in their sins Jn 8:24 and spend eternity in separation from God, so much for Christ's Atoning Death wouldn't you say ?

This scripture is very informative, because it makes a declaration, and that is, those reconciled to God by the Death of His Son in the previous verse Rom 5:10 while they were being enemies, they also BY HIM, the prep DIA is used, receive the Reconciliation or Atonement !

The word atonement in the greek is the word katallagē :

I.
exchange
A.
of the business of money changers, exchanging equivalent values


II.
adjustment of a difference, reconciliation, restoration to favour

Its translated reconciliation

Now Christ causes them to receive it, He bestows it upon them, or He quickens them into an vital and living experience of it, its being saved by His Life.

You see, if Christ's death is an atoning death, it must atone both parties to one another. If His Death reconciled God to them, but yet left them unreconciled to God, then His Death was not an Atoning Death, if He only reconciled God to man, and neglected to reconcile man to God, what good is that ? Was His work perfect and complete ? No it would not have been, but He did also reconcile men to God, men who were enemies to Him in their mind by wicked works, He reconciled them to God Col 1:21-22


And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Thats how they received it BY HIM, not by their freewill, but through Christ ! 8

 

[Brightfame52]

@John Mullally

Although God reconciled everyone now on the planet before we were born through Christ's death (1 Timothy 2:6, 1 John 2:1-2, Hebrews 2:9), we don't receive the benefit until we believe.

False, the benefit was applied while unbelievers, else why are other unbelievers condemned while unbelievers as in John 3:18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

How can a unbeliever be both reconciled to God and already condemned at the same time ?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


All for whom Christ died, have been reconciled to God, by His death alone, not by their obedience, not by their faith, not by their repentance, but even while they were being enemies, unbelievers, children of wrath as others BY NATURE, now if this be the case, their being reconciled, they cannot be under condemnation and wrath as others Jn 3:18,36 even while being unbelievers !

You see, they cannot be both condemned and under wrath as enemies and reconciled to God as enemies at the same time !

Romans 5:2 basically says we access to God’s grace through faith. So you cannot be saved unless you have faith.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


All for whom Christ died, have been reconciled to God, by His death alone, not by their obedience, not by their faith, not by their repentance, but even while they were being enemies, unbelievers, children of wrath as others BY NATURE, now if this be the case, their being reconciled, they cannot be under condemnation and wrath as others Jn 3:18,36 even while being unbelievers !

You see, they cannot be both condemned and under wrath as enemies and reconciled to God as enemies at the same time !

Also, all babies who die go to be with God in His kingdom. So this means that we were reconciled by the death of His Son when we (as evil mankind since birth) were reconciled to God. This was by the death of his Son. But if you sin again, then the wages of sin is death. One needs to confess and forsake sin in order to have mercy (Proverbs 28:13).

There is also 1 Timothy 5:8, Romans 8:13, Galatians 6:8-9, and Titus 1:16. So you cannot isolate just one verse out of the Bible at the expense of others.