Recant

[]RiSeN[]

I was trying to think of a worst case scenario, where any compassionate human would do ANYTHING to protect their kids.

You mean any human without hope or faith in Jesus.

I guess I was wrong. Some people really believe that a few measly untrue words are worth letting loved ones suffer. I am shocked, though I don't really believe that anyone would really not recant in that scenario- unless they are mentally whacked.

The recanting of ones faith through words would only be untrue to you. What worth is your word?

I would recant anything they liked. Sell my soul. Profess undying love for satan. Anything for them not to hurt my babies. They are JUST WORDS!

Then you are divided against yourself, you would betray your own being, in that you have no loyalty even to your own words. Now all now how much your word is worth, nothing. Nazis used to make prisoners recant their faith and allegiance, only to reward them with a bullet in the head, and thats if they were lucky. I'd rather 'bite the bullet' 'sticking to my guns'.

 

[Mars]

I think from a Christian perspective; God, although giving us free will to choose his way or another way, is in control of the world around us and so can present situations to us for his own glory.

Whats the point of God allowing Christians to continue suffering on earth instead of sending us to heaven now? I believe this is to bring Glory to himself and so that we can save others through Jesus Christ.

And its through God-Given circumstances that anyone can serve him. So I think such a situation is a situation that can be used to honour God.
Having said that, I don't believe that God wishes pain and suffering onto his people, but it was not God who pulls the gun, nor is it God's choice for christians to suffer such persecution.

Another note on Jesus's Death. I believe that sin in all areas can be directly linked to selfishness. Suicide (not trying to under value people facing suicide's suffering) I believe is in esscence a selfish act. Jesus' death on the other, was completely selfless.

Sorry for all the "I believes". I'm confident that these things are biblical, just bit done to find verses

 

[Rae]

Right back at me? What?

--Seeing that your question was obviously designed to insult me, I decided to ignore it and simply turn it back at you. However, because some lurkers may be interested, I will say that a dead Pagan can't serve her Gods any more, and that it's perfectly possible to serve one's Gods by telling insane people what they want to hear so that you can continue living to serve your Gods.

Ask any other insulting questions, though, and I will ignore them.

who might these gods be?

--They and I know, and that is more than enough.

who's veiw is truely selfish?

--The one who will let her entire family get slaughtered because she isn't willing to tell a crazy person what he wants to hear seems pretty selfish to me, but I freely admit my bias. How about you?

 

[Lovesherald]

I actually proposed this question to my father
He said that there was no way he would recant.
Then I asked him if he would do so if my mother's life was the one at stake.
He said he would recant immediately and that Jesus would "understand".
"Greater love has no man than this..." was his usual quote and justified it by saying that his soul would be in peril if he allowed his wife to die because of a few mere words that werent meant in earnest (since God knows what my dad really felt)

refer to my previous post and see if it doesn't clear anything up.

 

[]RiSeN[]

--Seeing that your question was obviously designed to insult me, I decided to ignore it and simply turn it back at you. However, because some lurkers may be interested, I will say that a dead Pagan can't serve her Gods any more, and that it's perfectly possible to serve one's Gods by telling insane people what they want to hear so that you can continue living to serve your Gods.

Insulting you? I asked a valid question about your belief system. You are choosing to be offended. Which offends you more the question or your answer? And making claims that i am attacking your gods when you wont or cant tell me even their names does not help to strengthen your position. Your claiming ad hominem only because you are backed into a corner.

--The one who will let her entire family get slaughtered because she isn't willing to tell a crazy person what he wants to hear seems pretty selfish to me, but I freely admit my bias. How about you?

Hmmm how are you painting the believer in this quote?

 

[jesusfreak3786]

--The one who will let her entire family get slaughtered because she isn't willing to tell a crazy person what he wants to hear seems pretty selfish to me, but I freely admit my bias. How about you?

I don't expect you to understand. My potentail destroyer is satan, who works through poeple, aka crazy person, in this case. I am loyal to my God, I will not let satan succeed in his conquest to destroy man. My family and I are in the hands of God, I trust that the reward, is worth more than the means.

 

[Blackmarch]

Jesus defeated Satan. There is no need to worry anymore. Thus, the spiritual world is an irrelevancy.



Refusing to say that you believe in Jesus when someone is pointing a gun at you is not a test of faith. God does not test those who believe in him; rain falls on the good and the evil alike.



Simple question: is recanting an unforgivable sin?

If not, you have no problem.

Is it a test of faith?, yes it is- Is it unforgiveable? no.. Peter denied Christ three times just before Christ was taken to be crucified. It was eneugh of a test for him to cause him anguish, a lesson from which hel learned not ot do it again which ended up causing him to lose his life because he would not recant or stop testifying of Christ.

 

[tbird_energizerbunny]

NO, it's sacrificing your life for God. Which is the most awesome way to witness. So dying for God, is the most ardent sacrifice you can do for him. Awesome dude!