Recant

[corvus_corax]

I actually proposed this question to my father
He said that there was no way he would recant.
Then I asked him if he would do so if my mother's life was the one at stake.
He said he would recant immediately and that Jesus would "understand".
"Greater love has no man than this..." was his usual quote and justified it by saying that his soul would be in peril if he allowed his wife to die because of a few mere words that werent meant in earnest (since God knows what my dad really felt)

 

[David Gould]

If you live in an area, where that is happening, I can guess those guys, wouldn't be the last, if you go thru life planning to recant, then ask for forgiveness, then you are not truly repenting of it, you will be fooling no one but your self.

My advice to anyone in this situation is to recant straight away. The state of your immortal soul is problematic in any case. The state of your mortal body is not.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

My advice to anyone in this situation is to recant straight away. The state of your immortal soul is problematic in any case. The state of your mortal body is not.

personaly I would say that is very bad advise.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

I actually proposed this question to my father
He said that there was no way he would recant.
Then I asked him if he would do so if my mother's life was the one at stake.
He said he would recant immediately and that Jesus would "understand".
"Greater love has no man than this..." was his usual quote and justified it by saying that his soul would be in peril if he allowed his wife to die because of a few mere words that werent meant in earnest (since God knows what my dad really felt)

I don't agree with that, under no circumstances should a christian recant.

 

[David Gould]

personaly I would say that is very bad advise.

As a Christian, you can always be forgiven. This is the promise of Jesus.

However, you can never get your life back.

It would seem to me that the choice is an obvious one.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

As a Christian, you can always be forgiven. This is the promise of Jesus.

However, you can never get your life back.

It would seem to me that the choice is an obvious one.

If you are trying to look at this in a christian perspective I can see how you are missing it. You seem to be blind to the spiritual world, that surrounds us.

Who you are, in beliefe of God makes a christian, not what you do, if you are resolved to back away from harm everytime your faith is reqiured of you, than I think that even if you call yourself a christian you are not. To believe some on eis to trust also what they say, Jesus says do not fear the man who can kill your body, but instead fear the one who can kill your body, and then throw your soul into hell. What is a body to lose compared to your soul. I will not gamble with my salvation in such a way.
For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his own soul? Or what can a man trade for his soul?

 

[Soul Searcher]

Everyone therefore who acknowlages Me before others, I also will acknowlage before my Father in Heaven; but whoever denies me before others, I also will deny before My Father in Heaven. Matthew 10:32-33

Interesting message but.. what happens if you do both? acknowledge then deny, or deny then acknowledge. Would it matter only what the last act was?

 

[David Gould]

If you are trying to look at this in a christian perspective I can see how you are missing it. You seem to be blind to the spiritual world, that surrounds us.

Jesus defeated Satan. There is no need to worry anymore. Thus, the spiritual world is an irrelevancy.

Who you are, in beliefe of God makes a christian, not what you do, if you are resolved to back away from harm everytime your faith is reqiured of you, than I think that even if you call yourself a christian you are not.

Refusing to say that you believe in Jesus when someone is pointing a gun at you is not a test of faith. God does not test those who believe in him; rain falls on the good and the evil alike.

To believe some on eis to trust also what they say, Jesus says do not fear the man who can kill your body, but instead fear the one who can kill your body, and then throw your soul into hell. What is a body to lose compared to your soul. I will not gamble with my salvation in such a way.
For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his own soul? Or what can a man trade for his soul?

Simple question: is recanting an unforgivable sin?

If not, you have no problem.

 

[MuAndNu]

Take a closer look at post #5

WHOEVER DENIES ME BEFORE OTHERS.
That passage does not say, whoever denies me, and dosn't belive in me, it simply states whoever denies Jesus. So yes you have recanted.

So, you don't believe in salvation by faith through grace? I thought it was belief that saved, e.g.:

Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

So, if you really believe, but just say you don't, you should still be saved, right?

 

[David Gould]

So, you don't believe in salvation by faith through grace? I thought it was belief that saved, e.g.:

Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

So, if you really believe, but just say you don't, you should still be saved, right?

A contradiction? In the Bible?

 

[MuAndNu]

A contradiction? In the Bible?

Well, I know how I would have answered it as a Christian. Let's see how he will.

Added later: Sorry about that. I mean, Let's see how she will.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

Interesting message but.. what happens if you do both? acknowledge then deny, or deny then acknowledge. Would it matter only what the last act was?

I can not tell you what would happen, because I am not the judge.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

Jesus defeated Satan. There is no need to worry anymore. Thus, the spiritual world is an irrelevancy.

The spritual world is really the only relevant factor, the body passes away, but the spirit remanes.

Refusing to say that you believe in Jesus when someone is pointing a gun at you is not a test of faith. God does not test those who believe in him; rain falls on the good and the evil alike.

do you mean refusing to say that you don't believe in Jesus? If that is not a test of faith I don't know what is.

Simple question: is recanting an unforgivable sin?

according to scripture, no. I am not the judge, and to be forgiven for a tresspass against God you have to repent, if you are in the same mind set, and resolve, you have not repented.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

A contradiction? In the Bible?

"I have loved you even as the Father has loved me. Remain in my love. When you obey me, you remain in my love, just as I obey my Father and remain in His love."

Jesus obeyed His Fathers will and, willingly layed down His life for the sake of Gods cause.

"no man can cometh to me, unless he hate his father, mother, brother, sister, wife, and children, and yes even his own life."

you must also be willing to obey the will of the Father and lay down your life if it is reqiured of you, to remain in His love.

 

[ChristianDude777]

If you are told to recant your faith in Jesus Christ or die, and you choose to be killed, are you commiting suicied?

I say no, you aren't, but I wonder what poeple think about that.

Grace and peace to you all,

When Jesus sacrificed Himself, it can't really be called suicide. He willingly gave His life but it's not the same as suicide. Someone else took His life, He didn't..

Tim L.

 

[levi501]

I think if you didn't recant god would slap you on the other side for being stupid.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

Grace and peace to you all,

When Jesus sacrificed Himself, it can't really be called suicide. He willingly gave His life but it's not the same as suicide. Someone else took His life, He didn't..

Tim L.

I want to know what you think, of poeple other than Christ, dying for thier faith.

 

[ChristianDude777]

I want to know what you think, of poeple other than Christ, dying for thier faith.

Sorry about that..

But it was the point I tried to make, I just didn't make it too clear.

I believe there's a difference between taking your own life and laying it down willingly. Especially within the intent of the heart.

If we allow someone else to take our lives, it's not the same as taking it ourselves. However, it again goes back to the intent of the heart.

Also, martys receive a reward that others don't.

(Again, sorry for the confusion..)

Tim L.

 

[Rae]

Could a person even recant his faith on command?

Sure. I'd be willing to lie and say I wasn't a Pagan any more to keep my life. Of course, if I thought I'd die no matter what I said, I'd probably stick with the truth. But if the Christian Reconstructionists ever took over in my area, you bet I'd lie and say I was a Christian. My daughter is better off with her mother alive.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

Sorry about that..

But it was the point I tried to make, I just didn't make it too clear.

I believe there's a difference between taking your own life and laying it down willingly. Especially within the intent of the heart.

If we allow someone else to take our lives, it's not the same as taking it ourselves. However, it again goes back to the intent of the heart.

Also, martys receive a reward that others don't.

(Again, sorry for the confusion..)

Tim L.

no problem, Tim. I agree with everything you just said, you put words toggether well.