Reasons why many BACs are spiritually blind

devin553344 said:

I think we've really been brought to a wonderful world today, that we can really enjoy and feel comfort in.

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tell that to those who are oppressed by the ones feeling good about themselves

I think the enemy's greatest work is separating us with foolish disputes about words when we should be bearing one another's burdens and praying for eachother. We are so caught up with "freewill" discussions that we forget that the prayers of the righteous availeth much, including keeping our brothers and sisters from being ineffective. I can personally tell you that I have been upheld solely by the prayers of others on my behalf, despite any destructive "choices" I have made.

Ephesians 6:18
"Pray with all prayers and with all desires always in The Spirit and be watching with him in prayer every moment as you pray constantly and make supplication for the sake of all The Holy Ones,"

James 5:16
"Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working."

Galatians 6:2
"Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ."

1 Timothy 2:8
"I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling"

2 Timothy 2:23
"Abstain from the disputes of fools who are without instruction, for you know that they generate conflict."

Luke 22:32
"But I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.”

If some of our brethren are able to fall away, it may be due to our lack of prayer for them, more so than any choice they made.

John 17:20-23
"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."

If our Messiah prayed for our unity, shouldn't we also...in order to save the world?

Tone said:

Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity.

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That oneness with God pops up every now and then to befuddle those who think we are separate

timothyu said:

That oneness with God pops up every now and then to befuddle those who think we are separate

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Any examples?

Tone said:

Any examples?

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What you posted

timothyu said:

What you posted

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...oh...

Maybe the blindness is failure to see the unity...

Ohhhh ..I see...

The flesh, with its many dissensions, throws up the illusion that we are not One.

BUT WE ARE ONE!

timothyu said:

tell that to those who are oppressed by the ones feeling good about themselves

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Yes there are some bad apples that's for sure. The news makes it known to us, that's for sure. We usually blame them though, not Satan.

devin553344 said:

Yes there are some bad apples that's for sure. The news makes it known to us, that's for sure. We usually blame them though, not Satan.

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Of course we should blame them and us (especially if we support 'them'), we are minions of the same adversarial ways as 'satan', putting self before others. That is the whole purpose of loving all neighbours as self as an antidote..

BCsenior said:

Some of whom were cast into a pit to die.
Some of whom were killed by their enemies.
Some of whom died in the wilderness.
Some of whom died in the Holocaust.
The rest of whom were dispersed to the 4 corners
of the earth for 2000+ years (until 1948).
Aaaaah, but they're all going to be in heaven!

It's called kill 'em, then throw 'em in heaven!
Is that what it's called?

Paul warned BACs to learn from the fate of the
Israelites, and to NOT fall into the same fate
as them! ... Why not, da red U/L is a great fate!

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I like how you forego all that I said and appeal to justifying what you've yoked yourself to. If you want to know if what I say to be true, then you have to Humble yourself and take it before The Lord, setting aside your presupposition if reading the NT as prescriptive and admit you may be wrong. If what you say is True or is what I say is True, then The Lord will show, IF you are in Humility and truly desirous to know the Truth of the matter.

Israel is the example of of what Salvation is. They were the real life Historical witness of what Father was going to do through Jesus Christ. They were the shadow of the Heavenly and Spiritual goings of the Kingdom both corporately and individually.

Our Justification and sanctification is founded upon one principle, Faith. Many that call themselves Christians, just like those of Israel that "fell away", never had the Faith of Abraham to begin with for many reasons and that is why they fell away before entering into the promise Land. They tried to live according to the Law to justify themselves and Faith in what Father had promised was nonexistent in them. Yet, Father kept a remnant among them. This remnant was of the Faith of Abraham just as spoken about in Hebrews 11. They never bowed the knee to Baal. They never predicated their saving from the Land of Bondage on a matter of following the Law to inherit the promises, but was grounded in the Faith of Abraham and the works of the Law flowed from the Faith held within their heart.

This is not a shot at you personally, but those that believe you can lose Salvation don't have Abrahamic Faith because they believe they must maintain their justification by doing this and that of the ordinances of the Law to keep themselves from losing a gift that our Faithful Creator has given to those that our of The Law of Faith. The entire Bible is about Faith in Him alone and without it, you cannot please Him.

You my friend and many others just like you have fallen down into a pit of the wilderness and have changed the book of the Law just as those that died off in the wilderness. You only see the black and white, but never the substance behind it and without the substance(Faith) you will be rolling around taking scripture of scripture out of it's place to justify what you claim as truth, while ignoring verses that are evident in Fathers Faithfullness in keeping his people. You combat scriptures like "those that come to me I will never cast out" with "Well yeah,He won't cast us out neither can a third party, but we ourselves can walk away", yet when confronted with the clear passages that "Jesus says that he goes after His sheep until he finds them, you appeal back to any passage you can that is contorted to say you can lose Salvation.

My friend, you can believe what you want, but it's cat sing damage to yourself and others. You are rolling around in a bunch of lies claiming the be truth and leading others into a pit of not trusting Jehovah and what he not only promised in word, but showed through Israel. His keeping of that Remnant Is His witness of His eternal Security.

Lay aside the bondage you've created for yourself and go humbly before Father admitting you don't know anything and start reading his word from the beginning. It's what I had to do. I had numerous beliefs that Father showed was 100% false which I had passionately believed and fought for, yet, I was 100% wrong.

BCsenior said:

You can (and may) take all the shots
at me your little heart desires!

And now for a little shot at you ...
Thou ignores and/or rejects
the many dire warnings in the NT
about possibly losing your salvation!

But, you are so blind that you aren't interested.
Am I correct?

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Let's not make this about ourselves, let's make it about what Father has given and view the witness he gave. Let's take each passage you and others use for advocation of Father being a God that bases His justification on sins of the child and cast them out left and right because of a sin they commit. Let's go verse by verse and I will give you the explanation of it in a methodical manner so that there is no confusion nor a throwing around of scripture bombs using the word of God to uplift ourselves, but to uplift the Truth of Father has provided. I'm not here to debate, but to speak of what Father has shown and given me through the many trials and tribulations of this wilderness and His revelation of who he is and His Kingdom and what it is and becomes.

A little about me, I know the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. I walk with Him, I know him as Jesus knows him, As Moses spoke with Him before the Burning bush. I know Him as David Knew him intimately. I belong to him and he has shown that Faithfullness through my many failures along this journey of building me in Faith in him and knowing His word. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit live in me and I in them just as Jesus promised. I've given heed to many false teachings in the beginning, passionately holding to them, grinding and teaching and arguing with the opposing side, truly believing what I was speaking to be truth, but it was through my own state of carnality that I was led astray. Father in his goodness has corrected me time and time again, taking each section of my life and conforming it to Christ Jesus, not taking away the foundations of Repentance and Faith from the beginning founded up the Rock Yeshua Messiah. It is upon that Rock, that Revelation of Jesus Christ that He has built me inTo a Temple of the Living God even with my own taking of human teaching bricks and mortar trying to build it myself but it never stood. It took humility for this to come regardless of how staunch I became in what I was holding as truth just as you do now. I've experienced His Salvation. I've experienced His Grace, Mercy and truth. When I have gone astray, he has come to me and brought me back just as Jesus states that he does. He has corrected me and shown me my error. The Word is manifest in my life because It began with the Faith of Abraham. It is not probation, it is relationship. He does not cast us out.

Please address this: if Jesus says he goes after those that go astray until he finds them, is that not true? How do you overlook that? Explain it. Don't appeal to some other area of scripture, focus on this and the we can go through each. Jesus says he comes after us until he finds us and brings us back, is he a liar?

So can we take this verse by verse in which you hold to? And can you set aside your presupposition to listen and investigate each and every claim I make without first looking to rebuke what I say and shot it down? Gods Prophets do come to speak many of times in which we know not and we shoot them down in our own Pride just as had so many times past, can you lay that aside for a while to engage with one you call a Brother?

BCsenior said:

that demons just cannot stand to hear the 2 words:
JESUS ...and... BLOOD.

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BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD!!!

Never heard that one before, thought I'd try it out.
Most of my co-workers are looking at me a little strange now...

BCsenior said:

Sorry to interrupt your long nap ...
but you seem to be totally blind to the fact that
Satan right now is in control if the churches!
That's why they are sitting (right now) FAST ASLEEP!
And God has been trying to wake them up
via His prophets and watchmen, etc.

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Do you think the current churches are like the pharisees and Sadducee of the new testament? Enemies of Jesus?

devin553344 said:

Do you think the current churches are like the pharisees and Sadducee of the new testament? Enemies of Jesus?

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For my unasked 2 cents.. they have been since rejecting the Kingdom in favour of a return to the institutions and governance of man 1700 years ago.

timothyu said:

For my unasked 2 cents.. they have been since rejecting the Kingdom in favour of a return to the institutions and governance of man 1700 years ago.

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I would like to hear more on that topic, if it's OK with the OP. You think churches desire the government of 1700 years ago? Not the government of today?