but the bible says we are saved by the blood of God and it says we are saved by the blood of Jesus, if they are two separate being are we saved by both, one as it is confusing.
Jesus says i am the alpha and omega, we know God is the alpha and omega, are they both the beginning and the end or just one of them and the other is lying and does scripture support that.
the Holy spirit, is it a person a force, is it another God ?
Where many that have accepted 'trinity' find this confusing. I, as one who denies 'trinity' have found NOTHING confusing about the Father AND Son both claiming to be 'alpha and omega'.
God, the Father, IS the 'alpha and omega' of ALL things. The Son, BEING the ONE and ONLY begotten of the Father, IS the 'alpha and omega' in this respect as well. For Christ IS the beginning of ALL that pertains to US: mankind.
If God is ETERNAL, both backwards and forward in TIME or the EVENTS of existence, why is it SO difficult for men to understand that God existed LONG before, (eternity), before man was 'created'. Before this EARTH was created.
ALL indications from the BIBLE are that the Son was CREATED by The Father. Only when one buys into 'trinity' do the scriptures that STATE the Son WAS INDEED CREATED become impossible to accept.
This was the BIGGEST schism in the beginning of the Church as it was formed in the Roman Empire. There were many that simply accepted scripture as offered and recognized clearly that Christ was "CREATED" by God, His Father. The words Father and Son themselves are INDICATIVE of ONE emanating FROM the other. The Father is FIRST and the Son comes FROM the Father.
Then there were those that wanted to MAKE Jesus Christ a "GOD" so that they could worship Him AS GOD. These were stuck with a dilemma, if they were to worship Christ AS God, they would have to form a belief system that MADE Christ God.
This stated with the formation of the doctrine that Jesus is OF the EXACT same essence as GOD. And this MANDATED that any idea that Christ was 'created' would have to be eliminated. So the decision was made that from the time of the decision forward, it would be the COMMON belief that Christ is ETERNAL 'backwards in time and events' as well as forward, (the future).
So regardless of what the Bible offered, the decision was made BY MEN that Christ was of the EXACT same essence of the Father. No beginning, no end. Co-everything as concerns the Father. EQUAL in all respects to EXISTENCE.
Even though the very words of Christ DESTROY any possibility of the aspects of 'trinity', those that had the MOST influence over a PAGAN Emperor got their way and the Council at Nicea ended up creating the BASIS for the later doctrine of 'trinity'.
God IS SPIRIT. So you IDEA that God's blood was the catalyst of forgiveness is utterly inane. God finds the FLESH detestable, UNCLEAN, and as far as we know, God CANNOT take on HUMAN form. He is SPIRIT. As far as we KNOW, the flesh cannot HOLD the Spirit that IS God. If no man has ever SEEN God, then obviously no man has ever BEEN God. God CANNOT physically BLEED. So there is NO 'blood' that God is able to shed of His OWN.
I often find it AMAZING that so many seem oblivious to how often words in the Bible are used SYMBOLICALLY. How often many try to take words offered symbolically as LITERAL. It does NOTHING but take away from true understanding. But that's what happens when men try to read the Bible OUTSIDE of inspiration of the Holy Spirit. They try to read it as a BOOK without realizing that things pertaining to Spirit are ONLY able to be revealed THROUGH the Spirit.
Both God and Christ are RESPONSIBLE for our Salvation. God SENT His Son and His Son went WILLINGLY. God TOLD His Son what He wanted to be delivered, (His Word), and Christ WILLINGLY delivered it even to the point of being put to death for it.
But GOD did NOT die on the cross. NOT according to the BIBLE. Only through the creation and perpetuation of 'trinity' does the concept exist. God's SON died on the cross. And He died upon the cross ALONE. In order to 'take on the sins of this world', it was MANDATORY that God ABANDON His Son and ALLOW Him to die ALONE, as a MAN. Christ's own words PLAINLY PROVE this. "My God, my God, why hath thou forsaken me?" If you are confused, just look up the definition of 'forsaken' and you will SEE, if you are able, that at the moment of Christ's death, He was ALONE. Without the Father: God. God had withdrawn His Spirit from His Son SO that His Son COULD die FOR the sins of this world. In order to DIE FOR them, He had to TAKE ON the sins of this world. And in order for the Son to take on the 'sins of this world', The Father was FORCED to abandon Him IN SIN.
But, of course, 'trinity' is utterly opposed to this concept of TRUTH. For in order to accept the TRUTH, one is forced to RECOGNIZE that The Son of God was NOT GOD Himself.
And that is the most DANGEROUS aspect of 'trinity'. It's CORE foundation makes it force the followers to ABANDON the truth as offered in God's Word and twist it in myriad manner in order for 'trinity' to FIT IN to what is offered in the Bible. And that is WHY those that 'created trinity' DENIED the 'Book' to the congregation as long as they were able. To KEEP the TRUTH hidden until their 'doctrine of trinity' was SO ingrained in the minds of those that they were able to implant it so that they even when they WERE allowed access to the Word, since they had ALREADY been FORCED to accept it, they would ONLY be able to SEE 'trinity' without the ability to SEE that there is a DIFFERENT truth contained within God's Word WITHOUT 'trinity' blinding those that accept it.
A few of these truths:
Christ was CREATED by God, His FATHER.
Therefore Christ has NOT 'always existed throughout eternity'.
The Father, GOD, is GREATER than the Son. ALL power and authority that the Son possesses was GIVEN Him by His Father.
Christ had the SAME 'free will' when living among us as WE DO. He COULD have chosen to bow to Satan. Instead, He OVERCAME the temptation. For if He had NO choice, there would have been NO temptation. Satan did not TEMPT God in the flesh. For God doesn't TAKE ON 'flesh'.
Mary is NOT the 'Mother of God'. NO 'creation' of God IS the MOTHER OF GOD. God has NO beginning therefore we have NO IDEA what the manner of His creation was/IS. Mary is NOT the 'Queen of Heaven'. Heaven HAS NO QUEEN. Only a KING. The Word is NOT a proper NOUN. It was CAPITALIZED by MEN who BELIEVED that Christ is GOD. God's Word is the SAME as OUR word, except in POWER. God's Word is that which represents Himself. What He SAYS IS HIS WORD. And Christ OPENLY stated that HE IS NOT 'The Word'. For He states that the Word of God is NOT HIS OWN, but GIVEN Him by His Father to DELIVER to US. Jesus is also named the LIGHT. But He was merely a REPRESENTATIVE of God's Word. He is not, nor has He EVERY been 'the Word' other than as a REPRESENTATIVE of God's Word. His words were NOT His own and He openly STATED it.
So you see, what you have offered is "PURE TRINITARIAN". Jesus Christ IS the 'alpha and omega'. He is the FIRST and LAST begotten Son of God. The ONLY begotten Son of God. Using such a title in NO way makes Jesus GOD. If you believe that, then YOU DENY the very words of Christ Himself. For Christ IDENTIFIED Himself AS the Son of God, NOT God Himself. You can ONLY find evidence of 'trinity' in the Bible if that is what you are LOOKING for. That means that someone MUST TEACH you 'trinity' OUTSIDE of the BIBLE FIRST. For there IS NO "trinity" IN the Bible.
Blessings,
MEC