really not praying to Mary???

[stivvy]

Yes, We see that you Pray to God, but the above quote shows
That you also pray to others

See I can make text big also.

Very good PPGP. Proud of ya!

And we are proud to pray to the saints and angels also. Hey, the less praying to them the more attention they can give to my intentions! Woohoo!! Man, I am feeling more and more special everyday!

 

[pgp_protector]

Yes but we don't have the same definition of the word "pray."

When we pray to others we are asking them to pray with and for us directly to God.

The same way that a person would ask their friends to pray with and for them directly to God.

Peace

Well then that will cause confustion.

To avoid confustion maby when you say you'r praying to someone, your should say your asking someone to pray for you

 

[stivvy]

Yes but we don't have the same definition of the word "pray."

When we pray to others we are asking them to pray with and for us directly to God.

The same way that a person would ask their friends to pray with and for them directly to God.

Peace

Good point. I think so many misinformed brothers and sisters think prayer is worship

Wrong! We worship only one, God the almighty, the Holy Trinity, the Alpha and the Omega, the Big Guy, the I Am!

We pray(talk) to Him also and to many others for their heavenly guidence through our lives.

 

[stivvy]

Well then that will cause confustion.

To avoid confustion maby when you say you'r praying to someone, your should say your asking someone to pray for you

The burdon of confusion is upon those who challenge the mother church, the Catholic Faith, out of contempt for Her. Open your ears to hear and ye shall hear.

 

[lionroar0]

Well then that will cause confustion.

Catholics and protestants use the same words in english but the meanings are different.

To avoid confustion maby when you say you'r praying to someone, your should say your asking someone to pray for you

We do clarify the difference quite often. We just have a different way of using english.

Peace

 

[Smileyill]

O Mother of Perpetual Help, grant that I may ever invoke thy most powerful name, which is the safeguard of the living and the salvation of the dying. O Purest Mary, O Sweetest Mary, let thy name henceforth be ever on my lips. Delay not, O Blessed Lady, to help me whenever I call on thee, for, in all my needs, in all my temptations I shall never cease to call on thee, ever repeating thy sacred name, Mary, Mary.

If the underlined don't concern. We have serious doctrinal differences.
"Most powerful name" That would be God, not mary. "Salvation of the dying" again God alone.
"Every on my lips" again that should be God.
"never cease to call on thee" again God.
"Sacred name" only YHWH, but perhaps I can see this, her name may be a sacred name instead of the sacred name.

And another one:

1. "Hail Mary, full of grace!"
Immaculate Virgin, here I am at your feet once again,
full of devotion and gratitude.
I return to this historic Piazza di Spagna
on the solemn day of your feast
to pray for the beloved city of Rome,
for the Church, for the whole world.
In you, "humble and highest of creatures",
divine grace had the full victory over evil.
You are for us, pilgrims on the paths of the world,
the bright model of evangelical fidelity
and the ever-living pledge of sure hope.

"Highest of creatures" men are a little lower than the angels. Heb 2:7, although we have privileges they lack.
​

2. Virgin Mother, "Salvation of the Roman People!"

Watch over, I pray you, the beloved Diocese of Rome:
over pastors and faithful, parishes and religious communities.
Watch over families especially:
may love sealed by the Sacrament ever reign between spouses,
may children walk on the paths of goodness and true freedom,
may the elderly feel surrounded by attention and affection.
Inspire, Mary, in so many young hearts,
generous replies to the "call for the mission",
a subject on which the diocese has
been reflecting over the years.
Thanks to an intense pastoral program for vocations,
may Rome be enriched by new young forces,
dedicated with enthusiasm to proclaiming the Gospel
in the city and in the world. ​

3. Blessed Virgin, Queen of Apostles!

Assist those who through study
and prayer are preparing to labor
on the many frontiers of the new evangelization.
Today I entrust to you, in a special way,
the community of the Pontifical Urban College,
whose historic headquarters are located in front of this pillar.
May this wonderful institution founded 375 years ago
by Pope Urban VIII for the formation of missionaries,
be able to continue effectively its ecclesial service.
May those it gathers, seminarians and priests,
men and women religious and laity,
be ready to put their energies at the disposition
of Christ in service of the Gospel to the far corners of the globe. ​

4. "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us!"

"Watch over us" why? How? The only plausible explanation is that she should pray for us if we have trouble. It's better to ask God to watch over us.
"Inspire, Mary, in so many young hearts" she has the power to change hearts? That's the HS' role. I know Lu 2:35 can be interpreted that Mary sees many hearts. Yet, changing hearts is entirely different.
"Queen of Apostles" huh? Must be in the Catholic Bible, I've no knowledge here.
"Assist those" Must mean by praying for those otherwise I'm clueless.
"I entrust to you" why? what power does she have, other than to pray, the same as us?
"May" this is a request which I don't see how she has the power to grant.
"Pray for us" finally I see what the Catholics insist is really happening, yet the requests don't match up grammatically. Semantically, "pray for us" is in addition to the previous requests.

Pray, O Mother, for all of us.
Pray for humanity for those who suffers poverty and injustice,
violence and hatred, terror and war.
Help us to contemplate with the rosary
the mysteries of Him who "is our peace",
so that we will all feel involved
in a persevering dedication of service to peace.
Look with special attention
upon the land in which you gave birth to Jesus,
a land that you loved together with Him,
and that is still so sorely tried today.
Pray for us, Mother of hope!
"Give us days of peace, watch over our way. ​

Let us see your Son as we rejoice in heaven". Amen!

No issue

 

[Smileyill]

Correct english exists.

 

[mike1reynolds]

"Most powerful name" That would be God, not mary. "Salvation of the dying" again God alone.

You are getting confused, these clearly are references to God in the prayer your quote. Your belief that these refer to Mary is purely a product of confusion.

 

[Smileyill]

"Most powerful name" That would be God, not mary. "Salvation of the dying" again God alone.

You are getting confused, these clearly are references to God in the prayer your quote. Your belief that these refer to Mary is purely a product of confusion.

O Mother of Perpetual Help, grant that I may ever invoke thy most powerful name, which is the safeguard of the living and the salvation of the dying.

Grammar requires that a pronoun refer back in this context. Unless you don't consider "thy" a pronoun? If so, it should read [T]hy. Clearly the author uses capitals, so the grammatical conclusion is that "thy" refers to "Mother of Perpetual Help."

Feel free to correct my grammar.

 

[stivvy]

Smileyill,

Those are beauitful prayer and it is in your interpretation that you feel they are raising Mary to godliness. We do not do that and we are not worshiping her. If I were to say those same prayers, my intention is showing Mary the respect and expressing what the bible states her to be "blessed amoungst all women" and Christ did give us and the apostles (John) His mother as he hung on the cross.

 

[Smileyill]

I don't "feel." Grammatically that prayer attributes to mary what only God has, whatever the intent.

If that's not the intent, then the prayer needs correction.

1 Cor 8:12-13. If what you do causes a brother to stumble, then don't do it. I know prayers like the above cause Catholics to stumble. I've met them.

 

[mike1reynolds]

Dyslexia here, I thought it said THE most powerful name rather than THY most powerful name.

You are a most eloquent person. Did I just call you the most eloquent person in the universe? (For those who speak English as a 2nd language, I most definitely did not.)

 

[stivvy]

I don't "feel." Grammatically that prayer attributes to mary what only God has, whatever the intent.

If that's not the intent, then the prayer needs correction.

1 Cor 8:12-13. If what you do causes a brother to stumble, then don't do it. I know prayers like the above cause Catholics to stumble. I've met them.

I totally disagree with you on that interpritation.

I see nothing there that gives her God attributes.

 

[Smileyill]

Dyslexia here, I thought it said THE most powerful name rather than THY most powerful name.

You are a most eloquent person. Did I just call you the most eloquent person in the universe? (For those who speak English as a 2nd language, I most definitely did not.)

I'm afraid it said neither THE nor THY. It said thy. Either way, scripture attributes power to no name other than God's.

 

[mike1reynolds]

I know prayers like the above cause Catholics to stumble. I've met them.

No doubt these things are as misunderstood by a few Catholics alomst to the same degree that they are misunderstood by you, but are you as keenly alert to the much more egregious stumblings of your Protestant brothers and sisters? I think this is more a case of the mote in their eye verses a lot of planks that you just skip right over in your own brethren.

 

[Smileyill]

No doubt these things are as misunderstood by a few Catholics alomst to the same degree that they are misunderstood by you, but are you as keenly alert to the much more egregious stumblings of your Protestant brothers and sisters? I think this is more a case of the mote in their eye verses a lot of planks that you just skip right over in your own brethren.

Well please, brother, remove my plank(s). But perhaps via pm? We might get off topic.

 

[mike1reynolds]

The plank I am referring to is condemnation of the beliefs of others, without have the slightest idea what those beliefs really are. To criticize another’s beliefs based on only the most superficial understanding is a plank, not a mote.

 

[mike1reynolds]

I'm afraid it said neither THE nor THY. It said thy.

Oh please, splitting hairs over the capitolization I added for emphasis... I apologize for not using the bold button instead, if it bothers you so much.

Either way, scripture attributes power to no name other than God's.

Does this mean that scripture affirms that no other name has any power what-so-ever? Show me the verse?

 

[Smileyill]

I did not condemn belief, only practice, I don't disagree with what you contend to believe.

However, I actually need a plank in my eye (an egarious error) before I'm commanded not to point out errors. Pointing out errors is not error itself. Paul corrected Peter for instance.

 

[mike1reynolds]

You are fabricating errors. That is the plank. Every supposed error you find is simply a lie, it is not an honest rendition of anyone's beliefs. That is bearing false witness.