Real time or evo time?

[dad]

Nope, nope, nope... he says it is billions of years old... and 6,000 years old.

Am I talking to a wall? Ask. Him. Yourself.

If it was created 6000 years ago, the billions of years old thing is how it looked when it was made, not time.

 

[dad]

I must have missed that rule. And the HI theory has nothing to do with reality. It's all just made up stuff.

I think the modern name for that is science.

 

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
In other words, instead of adjusting the evidence by "God could just have created the world last (Tuesday, Year, Century, Whatever) and made it look like it was much older", why not just accept the evidence for what it is? After all, as you've been reminded numerous times, there's nothing in scripture to make us believe otherwise.

?? What in tarnation are you talking about?

I'm speaking of the practice of pulling an unscriptural miracle out of one's hat as a way dealing with the evidence being incompatible with one's beliefs. Bad idea; avoid it.

You think Scripture supports Noah living millions of years ago or Adam?

Scripture give us no clue as to how long ago he lived.

 

[dad]

Barbarian observes:
In other words, instead of adjusting the evidence by "God could just have created the world last (Tuesday, Year, Century, Whatever) and made it look like it was much older", why not just accept the evidence for what it is? After all, as you've been reminded numerous times, there's nothing in scripture to make us believe otherwise.

I think it looks old to those that judge what is old by a godless religious philosophy and methodology. Take away the assumptions of a same state past on earth and we lose all meaning relating to time when looking at isotopes. The looking old is 100% part of the religion. Nothing else.

I'm speaking of the practice of pulling an unscriptural miracle out of one's hat as a way dealing with the evidence being incompatible with one's beliefs. Bad idea; avoid it.

The different nature in heaven and the future is not a zillion miracles, so much as the God created new state and nature we will have. Same idea for the past.

Scripture give us no clue as to how long ago he lived.

We know when Noah was here. We know Methuselah died just before the flood. We now how many parents or grandparents were involved from Adam to Methuselah. We have a lot more than a clue we have the record.

 

[TLK Valentine]

If it was created 6000 years ago, the billions of years old thing is how it looked when it was made, not time.

AV1611VET says otherwise.

What are you so afraid of?

ASK.

HIM.

YOURSELF.

 

[dad]

AV1611VET says otherwise.

What are you so afraid of?

ASK.

HIM.

YOURSELF.

No thanks.

Imaginary time = science time = evo time.

 

[TLK Valentine]

No thanks.

Your fear is noted.

Imaginary time = science time = evo time.

Then you get to call AV1611VET an "evo" for believing in imaginary billions of years... or at least you would if you weren't afraid of him.

 

[dad]

Your fear is noted.



Then you get to call AV1611VET an "evo" for believing in imaginary billions of years... or at least you would if you weren't afraid of him.

Why quibble? If the world was created at the time of Adam, who cares how 'old' it looks to cultists of so called science??

 

[TLK Valentine]

Why quibble? If the world was created at the time of Adam, who cares how 'old' it looks to cultists of so called science??

Are you calling AV1611VET a cultist of so called science? That's amusing...

 

[AirPo]

I think the modern name for that is science.

It's the HI Theory, you can think whatever you want.

 

[dad]

It's the HI Theory, you can think whatever you want.

I don't give it much thought.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then you get to call AV1611VET an "evo" for believing in imaginary billions of years... or at least you would if you weren't afraid of him.

If dad thinks I'm an evo, it ain't no thang.

Dad is my brother-in-Christ.

We're Blood brothers.

That means we're more closely related than blood brothers.

 

[TLK Valentine]

If dad thinks I'm an evo, it ain't no thang.

Dad is my brother-in-Christ.

We're Blood brothers.

That means we're more closely related than blood brothers.

So he can misrepresent what you believe without consequences... it has nothing to do with what he says or does, but only who he is?

Interesting. One would think you'd at least explain your position to him... so at least he'll stop getting it wrong.

 

[dad]

So he can misrepresent what you believe without consequences... it has nothing to do with what he says or does, but only who he is?

Interesting. One would think you'd at least explain your position to him... so at least he'll stop getting it wrong.

Ha. Trying to get folks to quibble and argue eh?

What matters is that we know Jesus created it all. Not whether we play pin the date tail on the already created donkey.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Ha. Trying to get folks to quibble and argue eh?

What matters is that we know Jesus created it all. Not whether we play pin the date tail on the already created donkey.

Not me that's doing it, friend... If you and AV want to hold separate and mutually exclusive definitions of "time" and then claim it doesn't matter as long as you're both Christians, then you've already shown that the truth is irrelevant as long as you're part of the same "in" crowd.

So maybe the Earth is 6,000 years old... or 4.5 billion years old... or cobbled together last Thursday... the truth is, you never cared in the first place.

 

[dad]

Not me that's doing it, friend... If you and AV want to hold separate and mutually exclusive definitions of "time" and then claim it doesn't matter as long as you're both Christians, then you've already shown that the truth is irrelevant as long as you're part of the same "in" crowd.

So maybe the Earth is 6,000 years old... or 4.5 billion years old... or cobbled together last Thursday... the truth is, you never cared in the first place.

My issue was with the imaginary time science claims. For example, what they consider the first man was millions of their imaginary years back.

The flood, if it was around the KT layer somewhere (?) was some 70 million imaginary science years back. In reality it was closer to 4500 real years. The way science tells time in the past is strictly by using the clocks of the here and now.

 

[AV1611VET]

So he can misrepresent what you believe ...

Misrepresent or disagree?

Interesting. One would think you'd at least explain your position to him... so at least he'll stop getting it wrong.

Three points here:

1. He's entitled to his opinion.

2. We aren't going to have perfect unity until Jesus Christ comes back.

3. Unity means nothing to unbelievers. This shows clearly by the fact that 100% of us believe IN THE BEGINNING, GOD, and yet unbelievers still exist.

 

[AV1611VET]

... the truth is, you never cared in the first place.

We'll answer to God ... not you ... for our beliefs.

 

[TLK Valentine]

My issue was with the imaginary time science claims. For example, what they consider the first man was millions of their imaginary years back.

But you only had that issue because you believe it was a non-Christian who said it -- had it come from a fellow in Christ, you never would've gotten your knickers in a twist.

The flood, if it was around the KT layer somewhere (?) was some 70 million imaginary science years back. In reality it was closer to 4500 real years. The way science tells time in the past is strictly by using the clocks of the here and now.

And if a Christian does likewise, it hardly matters.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Misrepresent or disagree?

Misrepresent -- he keeps saying you believe the Earth only looks 4.5 billion years old. See for yourself.

Three points here:

1. He's entitled to his opinion.

But not to his own facts.

2. We aren't going to have perfect unity until Jesus Christ comes back.

Price you pay for free will.

3. Unity means nothing to unbelievers.

Truth is more important.

This shows clearly by the fact that 100% of us believe IN THE BEGINNING, GOD, and yet unbelievers still exist.

Unity over facts -- I see that clearly enough.