Real time or evo time?

[Kylie]

At this point there is no evidence, absolutely none, to suggest that the physical constants and the laws of nature were the same in the past. Try to post evidence and see.

There is no evidence to suggest that I was a dolphin half an hour ago, but neither is there any evidence to suggest that I was not.

But do you think it is equally likely that I was a dolphin?

I thought not.

 

[AirPo]

How do you account for the fact that several completely different dating methods all give the same value for the length of time since the KT boundary (about 65 million years) when you claim it has only been 4500?

It's called hand waving. Just away all the pesky facts and just keep making things up.

 

[dad]

I am only using the observed rates and the observed ratios to reach my conclusion. No beliefs required.

I agree, right now in this time and nature, the rates are a certain way. That does not mean there was even any decay at all in the former state. Try to post something relevant.

 

[dad]

There is no evidence to suggest that I was a dolphin half an hour ago, but neither is there any evidence to suggest that I was not.

But do you think it is equally likely that I was a dolphin?

I thought not.

Your opinion on what is likely must be backed up with something to gain a little worth.

 

[dad]

It's called hand waving. Just away all the pesky facts and just keep making things up.

Nothing to say still, eh?

 

[dad]

How do you account for the fact that several completely different dating methods all give the same value for the length of time since the KT boundary (about 65 million years) when you claim it has only been 4500?

By the fact the methods are all the same .. every single one. ALL based on the foolish little satanic belief system of claiming the past was the same state. End of story.

 

[dad]

There is no evidence to suggest that I was a dolphin half an hour ago, but neither is there any evidence to suggest that I was not.

But do you think it is equally likely that I was a dolphin?

I thought not.

Your fantasies about having been a water mammal today have no value.

 

[Loudmouth]

I agree, right now in this time and nature, the rates are a certain way. That does not mean there was even any decay at all in the former state.

However, if the rocks from the past have the same ratios as those produced by modern rates, then it does mean that the decay rates were the same in the past. That's how evidence works.

 

[Loudmouth]

By the fact the methods are all the same .. every single one.

That is false. The methods use different isotopes.

ALL based on the foolish little satanic belief system of claiming the past was the same state. End of story.

If the there was not a same state past then the different methods would produce wildly different dates.

 

[dad]

However, if the rocks from the past have the same ratios as those produced by modern rates, then it does mean that the decay rates were the same in the past. That's how evidence works.

No that is how same state past godless religion works. Ratios do not tell us the forces and laws in place then in any way.

 

[dad]

That is false. The methods use different isotopes.

Strawman. They apply the same religion to all the isotopes. The issue is the beliefset they paint all the evidence with, not how much they paint!!

 

[Loudmouth]

No that is how same state past godless religion works. Ratios do not tell us the forces and laws in place then in any way.

Why not? If the ratios exactly match what a same state would produce, why isn't that evidence for a past same state?

 

[Loudmouth]

Strawman. They apply the same religion to all the isotopes.

It is based on observations, not religion.

 

[dad]

Why not? If the ratios exactly match what a same state would produce, why isn't that evidence for a past same state?

Because you cannot show that the ratios represent anything formed in this state. So forget assigning dates to them as if they were.

 

[dad]

It is based on observations, not religion.

ALL observations are from now. The ratios are not all (or even most, or even hardly any at all) observed to have happened in this state! Hoo ha

 

[Kylie]

Your opinion on what is likely must be backed up with something to gain a little worth.

Try doing the same with your different state past idea.

You've never done it yet, and I doubt you ever will.

 

[Kylie]

By the fact the methods are all the same .. every single one. ALL based on the foolish little satanic belief system of claiming the past was the same state. End of story.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

You are saying that radioactive decay that has been happening in what you claim is the PRESENT STATE has - SOMEHOW - been able to produce much more decay than should be possible.

Seems to me that you need three states. One state for your different state past, a second state to allow for millions of years of decay in a very short time, and a third state to match what we have today.

Maybe this accelerated state happened while the flood waters were over the Earth. You could say it was like this:

First state - prior to the flood
Second (accelerated) state - during the flood
Third state - after the flood until the present day.

How does that sound?

 

[Kylie]

Your fantasies about having been a water mammal today have no value.

And your fantasies about the universe working differently in the past also have no value.

 

[dad]

Try doing the same with your different state past idea.

You've never done it yet, and I doubt you ever will.

Except the bible state past is backed up by the bible. Since science cannot back up any state in the past, it stands supreme. Undaunted. Mighty. True.

 

[dad]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Very simple to prove. Just name a few so called methods of science for dating, and voila...same state past basis for all. Every single one. NO exceptions. It is total religion, absolute fraud and utter deception.

You are saying that radioactive decay that has been happening in what you claim is the PRESENT STATE has - SOMEHOW - been able to produce much more decay than should be possible.

Wrong. Totally wrong. I am saying that the processes that existed in the former state also were active and affecting the ratios. NOT in the way OUR present forces and laws do though, of course. Then we add to that CREATION itself.

Seems to me that you need three states. One state for your different state past, a second state to allow for millions of years of decay in a very short time, and a third state to match what we have today.

Since I just dashed your misconception about my position, there is no need to address that strawman.

Maybe this accelerated state happened while the flood waters were over the Earth. You could say it was like this:

Absurd. Let's get this straight the former nature was not the present state or the present state changed, or accelerated, or bent out of shape or etc etc. The former state was different and NOT this state. WE are the change. To know how we changed we would need to know exactly what the former nature was. Science doesn't. Not at all. It doesn't so much as know there ever was any former state!!!!!!!!! Pathetic.

First state - prior to the flood
Second (accelerated) state - during the flood

No. One assumes that after the fall, the big change was after the flood in the days of Peleg. It was in his day the earth was split...divided.

Third state - after the flood until the present day.

Close. Peleg was, by some accounts a century or two after the flood. That allows for rapid evolving of animals, the fast separating of continents..lower lifespans, etc.