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I'm still trying to figure out if there's a real reason "Haralambos" is always "Bob" -- or if it's maybe only a local abberation.I'd love someone to explain how we get "James" from "Iakovos" in the Greek.
I always thought it would be "Harry"!?I'm still trying to figure out if there's a real reason "Haralambos" is always "Bob" -- or if it's maybe only a local abberation.
Ah yes, I have met an "Anastasia" known as "Sia" also.Anastasia is usually Anna or Sia here. (Anna for me.)
Harry makes a lot more sense than Bob!
I think people make this stuff up as they go along ...
I'd love someone to explain how we get "James" from "Iakovos" in the Greek.
Or Yakov in Hebrew.I'd love someone to explain how we get "James" from "Iakovos" in the Greek.
I understand how Iakovos comes from Yakov.From the vulgar Latin Jacomus. Also related to the Spanish name Jaime.
james | Origin and meaning of james by Online Etymology Dictionary
The names in English bibles have been anglicanized. Ha'adam and Chavah are Adam and Eve. Solomon's real name is Schlomo. Moses is Moshe. Even Jesus' name comes to english through the Greek Iesous. Originally it was Yahshua, sometimes pronounced Yeshua. In English it would be Joshua.
I understand how Iakovos comes from Yakov.
But I do not get how you get to jacomus.
Except we are taking the text from the Greek, NOT the Latin.Latin had vowel and consonant shifts as it became less standardized after the fall of the Roman empire. And "J" was merely another way to write "I" of course.
Except we are taking the text from the Greek, NOT the Latin.
Those names are mostly all transliterations from Greek or Hebrew. "Eve" for instance comes from the Greek Eva, which in turn comes from the Hebrew Hawwah.
I understand how Iakovos comes from Yakov.
But I do not get how you get to jacomus.
How do they get Eva from Hawwah?
Because the Old Testament was written in Hebrew, I would have Englishized that, not the Greek Eva.
The first thing that popped into my head when I saw this thread is ‘Boy is this a perfect question for Quid’ lol!!It is common practice to transliterate names for ease of pronunciation in other languages, at least in the past. Often today people try and keep original forms unless a transliteration is widely known. Don't really know if it aids comprehension though.
So for instance, Gwenhwyffr in Welsh is transliterated to Guinevere in Arthurian legend and long ago entered English as Jennifer.
Or Yohannan in Hebrew became Latin Iohannes, then English John or Russian Ivan. Ultimately all the same name.
We used to translate names even, so up till the 19th century they would call Johannes Hendrikus Brand, John Henry Brand - but we stopped doing so. Or Christopher Columbus was Christobal Colon to the Spanish.
When we write ancient names, we do the same. Plinius becomes Pliny, or Pilatus Pilate, or Aristoteles becomes Aristotle. It isn't nefarious, it just makes it easier in other languages. Sometimes we know people by names that aren't even their own - like Genghis Khan (really a title of Temujin) or create different names for the same (French kings Clovis and Louis and the Frankish Hlodowig are all actually the same; or Jesus and Joshua from Yeshua).
The Bible merely came via Greek or Latin into other languages, so Hebrew or Latin or Greek or Aramaic names are all transformed thereby and then changed in the new language to fit its sound structure.
Actually, what we term Classical Latin was already diverging significantly from the common spoken tongue by the late Empire. Cicero's Latin was as different from Augustine's as perhaps Shakespeare or Chaucer from today's English. That is why Jerome wrote his Bible in the vulgar or common form, for comprehension - hence the Vulgate. They were well on their way to becoming the Romance languages.Latin had vowel and consonant shifts as it became less standardized after the fall of the Roman empire. And "J" was merely another way to write "I" of course.
No, but I am very interested in history - especially Roman history. You quickly pick up a passing acquaintance with shifts in language, which follow patterns - more often than not based on related sounds via where they are formed. A good example is Grimm's Law, that explains consonant shifts in Germanic languages from other Indo-European ones.Quid are you an expert on oral lilngustics? "How the sound is made" looks like speech therapy stuff.
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