Re-Thinking Hell

[FineLinen]

Put not you trust in man, for he will fail you. Put your trust only in The Lord, for He will never leave you nor will He forsake you.

Yah speaks of many clouds of witnesses. The many clouds are not merely those within the living words of both covenants, but every individual who have earned their stripes in the vast dealings in Father's army.

The army of God of God is composed only of conscripts, no volunteers.

No help wanted.

 

[wendykvw]

Re-thinking hell is a lot like Martin Luther Re-thinking Grace. Learn more about the documentary here
Does Hell Exist? If So, Who Ends Up There, And Why? - Hellbound the Movie

 

[GTW27]

Yah speaks of many clouds of witnesses. The many clouds are not merely those within the living words of both covenants, but every individual who have earned their stripes in the vast dealings in Father's army.

The army of God of God is composed only of conscripts, no volunteers.

No help wanted.

" There was a rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day.
And at his gate lay a poor man named Lazarus, full of sores, who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table; moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried; and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus in his bosom. And he called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am in anguish in this flame.' But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner evil things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.' And he said 'Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house, for I have five brothers, so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.' But Abraham said, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if some one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' He said to him, If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced if some one should rise from the dead.'"
THE WORD OF THE LORD

 

[Der Alte]

" There was a rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day.
And at his gate lay a poor man named Lazarus, full of sores, who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table; moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried; and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus in his bosom. And he called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am in anguish in this flame.' But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner evil things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.' And he said 'Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house, for I have five brothers, so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.' But Abraham said, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if some one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' He said to him, If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced if some one should rise from the dead.'"
THE WORD OF THE LORD

Ouch!

 

[ozso]

" There was a rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen

Don't you know what fine linen represents throughout the bible and in that parable?

 

[Receivedgrace]

Re-thinking and reforming hell? Obviously this is an undertaking of man and not God. Who is man to think he knows better that God? Only those who are steeped in progressive neo-evangelism would tread such a frightful path.

 

[ozso]

Re-thinking and reforming hell? Obviously this is an undertaking of man and not God. Who is man to think he knows better that God? Only those who are steeped in progressive neo-evangelism would tread such a frightful path.

Really the title should be re-thinking and reforming man's doctrine of hell.

 

[Receivedgrace]

Really the title should be re-thinking and reforming man's doctrine of hell.

Scary thing to think that what comes out of the mouth indicates what is in the heart. Luke 6:45

 

[ozso]

Scary thing to think that what comes out of the mouth indicates what is in the heart. Luke 6:45

That's what you got out my saying there's different doctrines within Christianity?

 

[Receivedgrace]

That's what you got out my saying there's different doctrines within Christianity?

A general observation and not specific.

 

[ozso]

A general observation and not specific.

Okey dokey.

 

[P1LGR1M]

Politics are not the discussion here. Take it to the politics section.

I see no reason why Liberal Theology must be secluded to the Politics board.

I am clear when I am speaking about politics, and will usually identify the Liberal Agenda when that is the focus.

And I will reiterate that the Liberal Agenda has made great inroads into Modern Christendom.

It is unfortunate that so many people think the Media Spotlight Church must be Christian. It is unfortunate that there are people who believe that people that campaign on promises of murdering children in the womb are themselves Christians.

We have to ask—how can this be?

Well, those who are liberal in their theology and feel they have liberty to cherry-pick Scripture and create doctrinal positions—that are not only unbiblical, but the exact opposite of what Scripture teaches—that cater to human reasoning and desire seldom seriously examine the basis for their beliefs.

Modern Christendom isn't much different than ancient Christiandom and could have as a slogan, "If it doesn't suit you—rethink it!"


God bless.

 

[FineLinen]

Don't you know what fine linen represents throughout the bible and in that parable?

Man

Don't you know what fine linen represents throughout the bible and in that parable?

Many moons ago the Lord began to speak to me of the hypobranchial glands of the murex marine snail. Do you know how they relate to the High Priest of God?

Divers dove deep into the sea to gather these little snails. The glands were removed & dried for one purpose: to produce the rich colours in the High Priests garments.

 

[FineLinen]

Re-thinking and reforming hell? Obviously this is an undertaking of man and not God. Who is man to think he knows better that God? Only those who are steeped in progressive neo-evangelism would tread such a frightful path.

Our Father ABBA is the Father of all fathers! Attempting to associate unending torment to Him is a disgrace beyond all proportions.

The love of God has no expiratory date.

The love of the Lord NEVER ceases.

 

[Receivedgrace]

Our Father ABBA is the Father of all fathers! Attempting to associate unending torment to Him is a disgrace beyond all proportions.

The love of God has no expiratory date.

The love of the Lord NEVER ceases.

God's perfect holiness, righteousness and purity demand nothing less.
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
The severity of the wrath of God upon sin is greater than man can imagine.

 

[FineLinen]

God's perfect holiness, righteousness and purity demand nothing less.

Nonsense ! ! !

The essence of our God is Light, Spirit & Love. He is holy, He is righteous and pure.

The perfect Divine equation = Romans 5:18

 

[Lazarus Short]

I see no reason why Liberal Theology must be secluded to the Politics board.

I am clear when I am speaking about politics, and will usually identify the Liberal Agenda when that is the focus.

And I will reiterate that the Liberal Agenda has made great inroads into Modern Christendom.

It is unfortunate that so many people think the Media Spotlight Church must be Christian. It is unfortunate that there are people who believe that people that campaign on promises of murdering children in the womb are themselves Christians.

We have to ask—how can this be?

Well, those who are liberal in their theology and feel they have liberty to cherry-pick Scripture and create doctrinal positions—that are not only unbiblical, but the exact opposite of what Scripture teaches—that cater to human reasoning and desire seldom seriously examine the basis for their beliefs.

Modern Christendom isn't much different than ancient Christiandom and could have as a slogan, "If it doesn't suit you—rethink it!"


God bless.

I must wonder who you are addressing here.

First, I do not consider myself to be a "liberal Christian." Your opinion may differ.

Second, I believe God gave us our power of "human reasoning." I used mine to examine some doctrines in the the KJV, and found them to be apparently made by that same human reasoning. This reasoning, properly used, should follow the Spirit...and the Spirit says "Come." (Revelation 22:17). Each of us needs to examine, confirm or deny what is offered to us. Remember that ears itched in the past as well as the present, and lies were just as prevalent then as now.

 

[Der Alte]

God's perfect holiness, righteousness and purity demand nothing less.
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
The severity of the wrath of God upon sin is greater than man can imagine.

This passage Rev 14:10-11 is one which defines/describes the Greek word αἰών/aion as eternity vice indeterminate age

Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: [εἰς αἰῶνας αἰώνων] [lit. unto eternities of eternities] and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.​

The phrase εἰς αἰῶνας αἰώνων/unto eternity of eternities is paired with the phrase "no rest day or night." If εἰς αἰῶνας αἰώνων means "unto the ages of ages" which could end that is not opposite of "no rest day or night."

 

[wendykvw]

" There was a rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day.
And at his gate lay a poor man named Lazarus, full of sores, who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table; moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried; and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus in his bosom. And he called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am in anguish in this flame.' But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner evil things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.' And he said 'Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house, for I have five brothers, so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.' But Abraham said, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if some one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' He said to him, If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced if some one should rise from the dead.'"
THE WORD OF THE LORD

Jesus spoke in Parables. He revealed the meaning to those who had ears to hear and eyes to see.

 

[wendykvw]

Scary thing to think that what comes out of the mouth indicates what is in the heart. Luke 6:45

Do you read hearts?