Rapture?

[tulc]

So...anyone believe in the Rapture?
tulc(just curious)

 

[BarbB]

Yep - what about it, tulc?

 

[Tamara224]

I believe in the rapture. Why do you ask?

 

[Melethiel]

No. (Not if you mean in the common usage of the word.) Why?

 

[Iollain]

This is the Rapture


1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.


1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.


1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.


1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words

 

[drstevej]

So...anyone believe in the Rapture?
tulc(just curious)

Sure.

 

[Tonks]

Not in the silly "Left Behind" sense if that is what you are asking - the idea is so far outside the bounds of orthodoxy that one cannot even see it.

 

[The Prokeimenon!]

No way.

Rdr Moses

 

[Mandrake]

No

 

[Lynn73]

Yes, I believe in it.

 

[jon914]

So...anyone believe in the Rapture?
tulc(just curious)

Some believe and some do not. Some believe that it will take place at differene times.
If you are a believer I will see you on the way up. I believe!


John914
II Tim 2:2

 

[drstevej]

Not in the silly "Left Behind" sense if that is what you are asking - the idea is so far outside the bounds of orthodoxy that one cannot even see it.

I believe in a pretrib rapture. Some will be taken others left behind. Are you calling this view silly?

 

[BarbB]

1 Cor 4:9a

We have been made a spectacle to the whole universe, to angels as well as to men. [10] We are fools for Christ, but you are so wise in Christ!

A rebuke by Paul - I want to be like Paul!

I'm willing to be a fool for Christ.

 

[seashale76]

No premillenial dispensationalism and related rapture theory stuff for me, thanks. After being raised with this world view, I was quite surprised when I didn't find it in the bible. I do, however, believe in Christ's glorious second coming (which is found in scripture).

 

[Stinker]

Yes. Rapture of the church definitely is implied in the scriptures. After the teaching of it in (1Thess.4:13-18) we learn even more in the first part of Revelation.

The first key verse is (Rev.1:19) "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;"

Now the church of Ephesus: "Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith He that holdeth the seven stars in His right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;" (Rev.2:1)


Now the church in Smyrna:

"And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;" (Rev.2:8)


Now the church in Pergamos:

"And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith He which hath the sharp sword with two edges;" (Rev.2:12)


Now the church in Thyatira:

"And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath His eyes like unto a flame of fire, and His feet are like fine brass;" (Rev.2:18)


Now the church in Sardis:

"And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith He that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead." (Rev.3:1)


Now the church in Philadelphia:

"And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith He that is holy, He that is true, He that hath the key of David, He that openeth and no man shutteth; and shutteth and no man openeth;" (Rev.3:7)


Now the last church. The church of Laodicea:

"And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;" (Rev.3:14)
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All that was addressed to the church has stopped at the last verse of (Rev.3:22).

Beginning in (Rev.4:1) we read about something else not involving the church: After this I looked, and behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said; "Come up hither, and I will show thee things which must be hereafter."


Beginning in (Rev.19:1) and continuing through the end of the book of Revelation, the church is taught what is going to take place concerning it:

And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven saying, "Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the lord our God:" (Rev.19:1)

 

[FreeinChrist]

So...anyone believe in the Rapture?
tulc(just curious)

Yes!

 

[seashale76]

Yes. Rapture of the church definitely is implied in the scriptures. After the teaching of it in (1Thess.4:13-18) we learn even more in the first part of Revelation.

The first key verse is (Rev.1:19) "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;"

Now the church of Ephesus: "Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith He that holdeth the seven stars in His right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;" (Rev.2:1)


Now the church in Smyrna:

"And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;" (Rev.2:8)


Now the church in Pergamos:

"And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith He which hath the sharp sword with two edges;" (Rev.2:12)


Now the church in Thyatira:

"And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath His eyes like unto a flame of fire, and His feet are like fine brass;" (Rev.2:18)


Now the church in Sardis:

"And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith He that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead." (Rev.3:1)


Now the church in Philadelphia:

"And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith He that is holy, He that is true, He that hath the key of David, He that openeth and no man shutteth; and shutteth and no man openeth;" (Rev.3:7)


Now the last church. The church of Laodicea:

"And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;" (Rev.3:14)
----------------------------------------------------

All that was addressed to the church has stopped at the last verse of (Rev.3:22).

Beginning in (Rev.4:1) we read about something else not involving the church: After this I looked, and behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said; "Come up hither, and I will show thee things which must be hereafter."


Beginning in (Rev.19:1) and continuing through the end of the book of Revelation, the church is taught what is going to take place concerning it:

And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven saying, "Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the lord our God:" (Rev.19:1)

As I said, I found it nowhere in the bible.

 

[BarbB]

As I said, I found it nowhere in the bible.

Doesn't get much clearer than this:

1TH 4:13 Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. [14] We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. [15] According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. [16] For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. [17] After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

I wonder if those who don't believe in the Rapture can be raptured. They will definitely be caught without oil in their lamps!

 

[seashale76]

Doesn't get much clearer than this:



I wonder if those who don't believe in the Rapture can be raptured. They will definitely be caught without oil in their lamps!

The second coming is NOT the rapture. There isn't a rapture from which believers will be spared tribulation while unbelievers are still here on the earth and then later on the final judgement. I fear for those who keep expecting such a thing. They may be easily deceived. Not to mention that this belief makes it quite easy to fall into a life of sloth. It is one of the most spiritually damaging beliefs out there, imo.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Doesn't get much clearer than this:



I wonder if those who don't believe in the Rapture can be raptured. They will definitely be caught without oil in their lamps!