Rapture Wimpism

[Chinchilla]

And so the disagreements about Daniel's 4th kingdom continue...

some paint the 4 as

Babylon
Medes
Persia
Greece

as opposed to

Babylon
Medo-Persia
Greece
Rome

One thing we are told is "in the days of the 4th kingdom, God will set up his own kingdom, which will have no end"

Rome was not under 10 kings .

 

[Anto9us]

so who is 4th kingdom, in your opinion?

 

[jgr]

You believe God cant chose who he wants?

According to His Word, He chooses those who "fear Him and work righteousness" (Acts 10:34-35).

Whom do you think He chooses?

 

[Biblewriter]

Because DNA's ubiquity is another example of DNA's irrelevance.

Here s a bit of highly relevant current news.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/beware-t...es-most-wrong-researcher-warns-164336076.html

 

[BABerean2]

Here s a bit of highly relevant current news.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/beware-t...es-most-wrong-researcher-warns-164336076.html

Every year the Federal Government hands out millions of dollars for "research", which will be done by liberals, with a bias.
We should not be surprised that some of the results are slanted.

That in and of its self does not invalidate the scientific process.

A number of years ago Stanly Pons and his cohort claimed to have achieved "Cold-Fusion". I read the article that appeared about their achievement, to my science class.

A few months later I had to tell the class that other researchers were not able to replicate the experiment, and some of the calculations concluded that if the two researchers had done what they claimed, the radiation produced would have killed them.

This is the way science is supposed to work as a self-correcting mechanism.

Recent efforts to locate Fort Antonia are gaining ground based on the facts.
Joseph Farah of World Net Daily fame recently appeared in a production which shows that the area now known as "the temple mount" is the remains of Roman Fort Antonia.


Where was the Jewish temple?

The Jewish historian Josephus said that Herod built Fort Antonia upon a gigantic rock about 75 feet high. Where is there a giant rock today?

Wars of the Jews by Flavius Josephus, Book 5, chapter 5:

"8. Now as to the tower of Antonia, it was situated at the corner of two cloisters of the court of the temple; of that on the west, and that on the north; it was erected upon a rock of fifty cubits in height, and was on a great precipice; it was the work of king Herod, wherein he demonstrated his natural magnanimity. In the first place, the rock itself was covered over with smooth pieces of stone, from its foundation, both for ornament, and that any one who would either try to get up or to go down it might not be able to hold his feet upon it. Next to this, and before you come to the edifice of the tower itself, there was a wall three cubits high; but within that wall all the space of the tower of Antonia itself was built upon, to the height of forty cubits. The inward parts had the largeness and form of a palace, it being parted into all kinds of rooms and other conveniences, such as courts, and places for bathing, and broad spaces for camps; insomuch that, by having all conveniences that cities wanted, it might seem to be composed of several cities, but by its magnificence it seemed a palace. And as the entire structure resembled that of a tower, it contained also four other distinct towers at its four corners; whereof the others were but fifty cubits high; whereas that which lay upon the southeast corner was seventy cubits high, that from thence the whole temple might be viewed; but on the corner where it joined to the two cloisters of the temple, it had passages down to them both, through which the guard (for there always lay in this tower a Roman legion) went several ways among the cloisters, with their arms, on the Jewish festivals, in order to watch the people, that they might not there attempt to make any innovations; for the temple was a fortress that guarded the city, as was the tower of Antonia a guard to the temple; and in that tower were the guards of those three (14). There was also a peculiar fortress belonging to the upper city, which was Herod’s palace; but for the hill Bezetha, it was divided from the tower Antonia, as we have already told you; and as that hill on which the tower of Antonia stood was the highest of these three, so did it adjoin to the new city, and was the only place that hindered the sight of the temple on the north. And this shall suffice at present to have spoken about the city and the walls about it, because I have proposed to myself to make a more accurate description of it elsewhere."

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[Biblewriter]

Every year the Federal Government hands out millions of dollars for "research", which will be done by liberals, with a bias.
We should not be surprised that some of the results are slanted.

That in and of its self does not invalidate the scientific process.

A number of years ago Stanly Pons and his cohort claimed to have achieved "Cold-Fusion". I read the article that appeared about their achievement, to my science class.

A few months later I had to tell the class that other researchers were not able to replicate the experiment, and some of the calculations concluded that if the two researchers had done what they claimed, the radiation produced would have killed them.

This is the way science is supposed to work as a self-correcting mechanism.

Recent efforts to locate Fort Antonia are gaining ground based on the facts.
Joseph Farah of World Net Daily fame recently appeared in a production which shows that the area now known as "the temple mount" is the remains of Roman Fort Antonia.


Where was the Jewish temple?

The Jewish historian Josephus said that Herod built Fort Antonia upon a gigantic rock about 75 feet high. Where is there a giant rock today?

Wars of the Jews by Flavius Josephus, Book 5, chapter 5:

"8. Now as to the tower of Antonia, it was situated at the corner of two cloisters of the court of the temple; of that on the west, and that on the north; it was erected upon a rock of fifty cubits in height, and was on a great precipice; it was the work of king Herod, wherein he demonstrated his natural magnanimity. In the first place, the rock itself was covered over with smooth pieces of stone, from its foundation, both for ornament, and that any one who would either try to get up or to go down it might not be able to hold his feet upon it. Next to this, and before you come to the edifice of the tower itself, there was a wall three cubits high; but within that wall all the space of the tower of Antonia itself was built upon, to the height of forty cubits. The inward parts had the largeness and form of a palace, it being parted into all kinds of rooms and other conveniences, such as courts, and places for bathing, and broad spaces for camps; insomuch that, by having all conveniences that cities wanted, it might seem to be composed of several cities, but by its magnificence it seemed a palace. And as the entire structure resembled that of a tower, it contained also four other distinct towers at its four corners; whereof the others were but fifty cubits high; whereas that which lay upon the southeast corner was seventy cubits high, that from thence the whole temple might be viewed; but on the corner where it joined to the two cloisters of the temple, it had passages down to them both, through which the guard (for there always lay in this tower a Roman legion) went several ways among the cloisters, with their arms, on the Jewish festivals, in order to watch the people, that they might not there attempt to make any innovations; for the temple was a fortress that guarded the city, as was the tower of Antonia a guard to the temple; and in that tower were the guards of those three (14). There was also a peculiar fortress belonging to the upper city, which was Herod’s palace; but for the hill Bezetha, it was divided from the tower Antonia, as we have already told you; and as that hill on which the tower of Antonia stood was the highest of these three, so did it adjoin to the new city, and was the only place that hindered the sight of the temple on the north. And this shall suffice at present to have spoken about the city and the walls about it, because I have proposed to myself to make a more accurate description of it elsewhere."

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I did not and do not question the "scientific method." It is well designed tool for seeking truth as to physical matters. But I did and do say that many alledgedly "scientific" studies have not been well based in that generally reliable method. And even when that method has indeed been followed, it is only a tool for searching for truth, not a guarantee that any final truth has been obtained.

In actual fact, your example was just one more case of what I was pointing out. That many, if not most, allegedly "scientific" studies have not been made in an attempt to find truth, but rather in an attempt to "prove" a pre-determined conclusion.

 

[BABerean2]

In actual fact, your example was just one more case of what I was pointing out. That many, if not most, allegedly "scientific" studies have not been made in an attempt to find truth, but rather in an attempt to "prove" a pre-determined conclusion.

The Two Peoples of God doctrine works exactly the way you have described above.

It must ignore the evidence of the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:18-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

Just a few days ago a member of this forum informed me that the New Covenant was not in effect yet because we still need teachers.(Hebrews 8:11)
After I sent him the following verse I received no response.

1 John 2:27.

As for modern DNA science, it has advanced greatly since you and I took college level genetics.
It is now molecular genetics, which was in its infancy when we were in college.
The completion of the Human Genome Project has changed the field of medicine by showing the link between genetics and many diseases, including some forms of cancer.

Brother JGR's efforts to show the fact that many of us carry the DNA of Abraham, and or Jacob is based on the firm science of molecular genetics.
Once again, it is the Two Peoples of God doctrine that must disparage or ignore this scientific truth, in order to make the doctrine work.

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[Biblewriter]

"Scientific truth" is wholly inapplicable in judging the simple word of God, which repeatedly and very explicitly states, in clear, plain, language, that the ancient nation of Israel will eventually be restored, both to their ancient homeland and to their God.

 

[BABerean2]

"Scientific truth" is wholly inapplicable in judging the simple word of God, which repeatedly and very explicitly states, in clear, plain, language, that the ancient nation of Israel will eventually be restored, both to their ancient homeland and to their God.

You have repeatedly ignored the New Covenant scriptures found below in an attempt to claim that the above will occur outside of the Church of Jesus Christ.

Since you have to ignore this "Biblical Truth", you have exposed the Two Peoples of God doctrine to the light of truth.
And just like the mythical vampire, your doctrine catches fire and turns into a vapor when viewed through the light of the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century.


Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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[jgr]

I did not and do not question the "scientific method." It is well designed tool for seeking truth as to physical matters. But I did and do say that many alledgedly "scientific" studies have not been well based in that generally reliable method. And even when that method has indeed been followed, it is only a tool for searching for truth, not a guarantee that any final truth has been obtained.

In actual fact, your example was just one more case of what I was pointing out. That many, if not most, allegedly "scientific" studies have not been made in an attempt to find truth, but rather in an attempt to "prove" a pre-determined conclusion.

For a putative scientist, you espouse some astonishing ideas.


DNA analysis is not a "study". It is a universally recognized and utillized tool, used beneficially in a plethora of applications from forensics to medical therapies. Francis Collins, a believer and past leader of the Human Genome Project, is responsible for much associated underpinning. To describe it as a "study" is to once again demonstrate the ignorance which saturates dispensational racialist dogma.

The mathematics which demonstrate ancestral genetic dispersion and ubiquity are not a "study". They have been extant for generations. Blaise Pascal, an historical believer and mathematician, was responsible for much of the associated groundwork. To describe them as a "study" is to once again demonstrate the ignorance which saturates dispensational racialist dogma.


Let's have some genuinely scientific and Scriptural discourse, recognizing that God Himself is all truth wherever truth is found.

 

[jgr]

"Scientific truth" is wholly inapplicable in judging the simple word of God, which repeatedly and very explicitly states, in clear, plain, language, that the ancient nation of Israel will eventually be restored, both to their ancient homeland and to their God.

Someone (Elton Trueblood?) has well said to the effect:

There is no conflict between true science and true religion.

Because, of course, they are both true.

And God is the Author of both.

You, however, evidently believe that there is a conflict. But since there cannot be, the error must lie in finite human understanding.

And nowhere is such error more apparent than in the racialist dogmas of ignorance which dispensationalism espouses.

 

[SeventyOne]

Someone (Elton Trueblood?) has well said to the effect:

There is no conflict between true science and true religion.

Because, of course, they are both true.

And God is the Author of both.

You, however, evidently believe that there is a conflict. But since there cannot be, the error must lie in finite human understanding.

And nowhere is such error more apparent than in the racialist dogmas of ignorance which dispensationalism espouses.

True science does not contradict the Word of God. Since what you are calling 'science' does so, then by default it is bad science.

 

[jgr]

True science does not contradict the Word of God. Since what you are calling 'science' does so, then by default it is bad science.

So Blaise Pascal has been wrong all this time. Imagine that.

Let's get specific.

Describe the "bad science" in the following citation.

Example of the mathematical basis of ancestral genetic ubiquity

 

[SeventyOne]

So Blaise Pascal has been wrong all this time. Imagine that.

Let's get specific.

Describe the "bad science" in the following citation.

Example of the mathematical basis of ancestral genetic ubiquity

The bad science comes from your setting it up in conflict to scripture. That's how we know immediately the big bang is false, evolution is false, and your claim there are no real Jews anymore is false. It doesn't matter how many people disagree.

 

[jgr]

It doesn't matter how many people disagree.

That about says it all.

Dispensationalism is God.

 

[seventysevens]

That about says it all.

Dispensationalism is God.

hmm...... you have been saying for a looooong time that amillennialism is God

 

[jgr]

hmm...... you have been saying for a looooong time that amillennialism is God

hmm...where would we find that quote?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I think they were talking about people who buy the rapture and believe they will be taken away safely~
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John Nelson Darby invented the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine around 1830 AD

Interesting.

Here is the latest rapture index report:

http://www.raptureready.com/rapture-ready-index/

Rapture Ready Index
Rapture Index: 181

Change from last update:+1 Updated: Jul 2, 2018

100 and Below: Slow prophetic activity
100 to 130: Moderate prophetic activity
130 to 160: Heavy prophetic activity
Above 160: Fasten your seat belts.

Previous Years
2014 High 188
2015 High 184
2016 High 189
2017 High 188

http://www.raptureready.com/category/rapture-ready-news/page/2/
Rapture Ready News

 

[Biblewriter]

Let's have some genuinely scientific and Scriptural discourse, recognizing that God Himself is all truth wherever truth is found.

I am a scientist, and you are evidently are not. While I respect science, I know its limits, of which you seem to be unaware. But I respect the Holy Scriptures far above "science falsely so called," and anyone who wants to put "science" above scripture is unfit to represent himself as a teacher of Christians. I am not going to continue this fruitless discussion.

 

[jgr]

I am a scientist, and you are evidently are not. While I respect science, I know its limits, of which you seem to be unaware. But I respect the Holy Scriptures far above "science falsely so called," and anyone who wants to put "science" above scripture is unfit to represent himself as a teacher of Christians. I am not going to continue this fruitless discussion.

Blaise Pascal, a scientist and a believer, harmonized mathematics and Scripture.

Francis Colllins, a scientist and a believer, has harmonized genetics and Scripture.

Brother BAB2, a scientist and a believer, has harmonized science and Scripture.

A good friend of mine, a respected professor of biochemistry and a believer, has harmonized science and Scripture.

Countless other scientists who are believers have harmonized science and Scripture.

Why are you, a scientist and a believer, unable to do so?