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Rapture will happen..does it matter when?

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Rev 8:6 has the angels preparing to sound the trumpets though, not reporting on them sounding. And 8:2 has them being given trumpets not already possessing them.

These are not reports of the trumpets having already happened. They are announcements of the trumpets about to happen.
 
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So are you suggesting that trumpets and bowls all happen during seal 5 and 6, with seal 7 just being the angels filing their report of what happened during then?
 
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So you are suggesting that the trumpets happen after seal 4 and before seal 7, whilst the bowls all happen after seal 7?

If so, no later than trumpet 4 can be part of seal 5 (as trumpet 4, like seal 6, is when sun and moon darken).
 
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Also, given that.....

"Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”" (Rev 11:15)

meaning that Christ's kingdom begins on Earth at the 7th trumpet.

And then Rev 10 tells us that God's mystery is fulfilled at the 7th Trumpet:

"but that in the days of the trumpet call to be sounded by the seventh angel, the mystery of God would be fulfilled" (Rev 10:7)

And that the Temple is opened at the same time:

“And the temple of God was opened in heaven” (Rev 11:19)

Do you think it likely that the 'rapture' is at the 7th (last) Trumpet?
 
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I personally think the mark of the beast is already accomplished in the issuance of a serial number for all citizens in America; our social security number.

Most people get their social security numbers as babies or very young children, which means they don't make a choice in the matter. You don't have one, or are you not an American? It's not required for buying or selling. I think it will be something like a credit/banking card on or in the skin that people will be required to have when they start working and paying for things. So faithful Christians will bravely walk away from jobs and homes... And the children who don't know Jesus may resent their parents for not getting the mark and turn them in to be killed. (Matthew 10:21).
 
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Yes; I believe the return of Christ and the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the gathering of the surviving elect is at the 7th trumpet.

And my theory is that the trumpets and bowls coincide but are focused on two different perspectives--global/universal, and the government of the beast. (1st trumpet and 1st bowl, 2nd trumpet and 2nd bowl, ... 7th trumpet and 7th bowl). My other theory is that the trumpets and bowls are during the last year of the Tribulation.

Because of Matthew 13, gathering the tares preceding the gathering of the wheat, I don't believe the gathering of the elect can occur before the bowls of wrath are poured out.
 
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There will not be a rapture before the 7th trumpet.

I'm not sure about that.

But Thessalonians 4 does tell us that the dead in Christ are raised prior to the rapture. The book of John instructs us that the dead aren't raised until the last day. So it's easy to conclude that the rapture can't possibly take place until the last day.
 
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What about Colossians 3:1-4?
 
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What about Colossians 3:1-4?

I don't see where the confusion exists. When Christ appears he will raise the dead and judgment will take place. We will appear with him and judge the nations. Not really sure why this is confusing for you. That verse says nothing of a rapture.
 
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