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Obviously you're missing on the many synonyms concerning salvation. Just as I correlated it in my scripture references. They all speak of salvation. You and Psalm3704 have missed the point."The first resurrection is spiritual! Jesus made that clear to Nicodemus in John 3:1-15"
The born again experience is not a resurrection son .... it is a necessary infilling of the Lord's spirit into the man for his salvation
A resurrection is a changing into immortality .... a transformation
There are two types .... the first one to immortality and there are more than one of these scheduled at different times in Scripture
The second is the one to the second death of a man's spirit .... only one of these
This is why you passed on the Romans, Ephesians, and Colossians passages. You can't deny what they say. All passages are nothing more than different ways scripture describes the salvation experience.Well the guy who said that didn't bothered to research what the bible meant by the last day, nor did he take into consideration if the last day meant the last day of the week or the last day of the year or the last day of Christ on earth just before He died on the cross. Without giving any though of the number of resurrections ahead, he just assumed the resurrection on the last day was the last resurrection at the great white throne before God, which the bible calls the second resurrection.
Jesus said "I will raise him up on the last day." Jesus resurrects everyone during the first resurrection(s). God is the one who resurrects everyone at the final resurrection before the GWT. Meaning Jesus said "I will" not say "God will" raise him up on the last day. So you can throw that theory about the last day at the GWT out the window.
That also applies to you Eb. Jesus wasn't talking to Nicodemus about a resurrection. He was talking about being born again, a spiritual rebirth.
Here Jesus was talking to Martha about the resurrection. He was not talking to her about being born again as He did with Nicodemus.
That's not the first resurrection and that's also not the second resurrection.
If that to you is the second resurrection, than what's the resurrection at the great white throne, the third resurrection? This is not possible nor mentioned in the bible. The first resurrection(s) belongs to and are performed by Jesus who judges the righteous. The second resurrection belongs to and is performed by God who judges the sinners.
You can't claim to know when the rapture happens if you first don't understand the first and second resurrections.
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Obviously you're missing on the many synonyms concerning salvation. Just as I correlated it in my scripture references. They all speak of salvation. You and Psalm3704 have missed the point.
Think about why Nicodemus asked "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” . The point being that when one is "born again" they come to life in Christ. Think about it...BIRTH IS LIFE!!!
No...you're the one missing...Jesus said "you must be born again"...think about how that happens! It is Paul who repeatedly says God MADE US ALIVE TOGETHER WITH CHRIST...how were you made alive if you're already living? The same way you must be born again...when you're already living.Geez Eb! This is one of the most basic stuff about the gospel and you're missing the mark left and right. Look what Jesus said to Nicodemus in verse 10. He rebuked Nicodemus for being ignorant because he thought Jesus was talking about a literal rebirth and not a spiritual rebirth.
John 3:9-10 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?” 10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things?
You're concentrating too much on what Nicodemus said and not listening to what Jesus said..
This is why you passed on the Romans, Ephesians, and Colossians passages. You can't deny what they say. All passages are nothing more than different ways scripture describes the salvation experience.
When Jesus said "I am the resurrection AND the life" you simply don't get it. He then goes on to say "he who believes in Me will live even if he dies," ...
How does that happen?
No...you're the one missing...Jesus said "you must be born again"...think about how that happens! It is Paul who repeatedly says God MADE US ALIVE TOGETHER WITH CHRIST...how were you made alive if you're already living? The same way you must be born again...when you're already living.
It's call a personal relationship with God through the holy spirit. John 14-16, read it and learn.
No relationship = you're dead!
A relationship with God = Alive!.
Still missing the point. It's clear when Adam sinned he DIED SPIRITUALLY first...and physically later. Recall 1 Corinthians 15:21, 22:
21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
Notice I let the scripture speak...you didn't...you impose your reasoning on scripture.
This may be old news but you've missed what the news is saying. We all died spiritually in Adam, so we who are saved have been resurrected spiritually in Christ, which is the "first resurrection". It makes us ALIVE TO GOD which is why Paul explains we have been RAISED to walk in newness of life. It's spiritual and you simply can see it even though it's right there. Romans 6 makes this so plain and it's obvious you can't see it, and I can't help you see it.This is old news Eb! Why anyone would need to argue over this topic is foolish! Everyone knows that Adam sinned, everyone knows Adam died a spiritual death and everyone knows 900 years later he died a physical death. This is Sunday school lesson 101 material. Old news Eb!
Instead, tells us something we don't know. Why did God cover Adam and Eve in garments when He visited them when they were already covered with fig leaves?.
Can you back that claim from the Scriptures ?I doubt that you can.
This may be old news but you've missed what the news is saying. We all died spiritually in Adam, so we who are saved have been resurrected spiritually in Christ, which is the "first resurrection". It makes us ALIVE TO GOD which is why Paul explains we have been RAISED to walk in newness of life. It's spiritual and you simply can see it even though it's right there. Romans 6 makes this so plain and it's obvious you can't see it, and I can't help you see it.
Perhaps one day the Holy Spirit will help you see "the first resurrection".
I posted this to another member a while back clearly pointing out the "first resurrection". This is not just in response to you because I know others read in these threads, so they too can consider what the scripture is saying:
What you have in the "spiritual resurrection" of Romans 6, Ephesians 2, and Colossians 3...is the apostle telling us in spiritual terms that we are resurrected from spiritual death, which separated us from God...and that Christ has RAISED us (resurrected us), the word is "synegeiro" in Greek...to WALK A NEW LIFE IN HIM. Just as Paul associates baptism as DYING TO SIN (buried with Him), and being raised (resurrected) in Christ to NEWNESS OF LIFE.
This is "synegeiro" from Blue Letter Bible:
Greek Lexicon :: G4891 (NASB)
The Greek "egerio" is used for the actual physical resurrection. You can see that if you look up as it is used in Romans 6:4 of Christ's physical resurrection.
The prefix "syn" is placed in front of it (synegeiro) which you could say makes is "synthetic" OR a "synthetic resurrection"! So the point made is a "spiritual resurrection" of us when we come to Christ.
That Spirtual reality will manifest itself in the physical ressurection to come.
For those interested in studying this out...this is a very well done study of the first and second resurrections described in scripture:
http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/first-and-second-resurrection/
That Spirtual reality will manifest itself in the physical ressurection to come.
For those interested in studying this out...this is a very well done study of the first and second resurrections described in scripture:
http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/first-and-second-resurrection/
The first resurrection is spiritual! Jesus made that clear to Nicodemus in John 3:1-15.
Jesus defined it when He spoke before raising Lazarus from the dead...read carefully...John 11:25, 26 as Jesus responded to Martha:
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies,
26 and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”
If you don't know that the LAST day mean exactly what it means ...ie the LAST.Nope, sure don't.
Now tell us when is the last day as mentioned in the bible, Riberra.
Then you admit that your statement is only hot air and means nothing.
''ONLY A PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE FALLS ON THE LAST DAY.''
No ,we know that the caught up (Rapture) to meet Jesus in the air will happen unto the Coming of Jesus AFTER the tribulation.No, my last day and your last day aren't the same. You probably think the last day is the day of the great white throne judgement.
No ,we know that the caught up (Rapture) to meet Jesus in the air will happen unto the Coming of Jesus AFTER the tribulation.
Those who study the Bible know that because there is only one Coming of Jesus yet to come.
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